Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley

[Perd Hapley]

I think it says a lot about our country when people do not want to serve it.  My GUESS is that people are tired of war. 

Oh, please.  We're talking about Berkeley, here.  Not exactly the mainstream of American thought. 

  I seem to remember about 2/3 of the country do not support the war.  I guess that is not mainstream though. 

Nice try.  We were talking about Berkeley's policy on military recruitment offices.  Do 2/3 of American towns have a similar policy?  No.  Because Berkeley is not in the mainstream. 

[Glock Glockler]

I would be ok with that if the majority of people want it that way then let them have it

So one part of the population tyranizing another is ok so long as it's done on a local level?

[wooderson]

When an agent of the state restricts another agent of the state, that's 'tyranny'?

[Sergeant Bob]

Hey, I got a crazy idea - in the event of a major disaster, let's go loot and pillage Berkeley! They seem right for the picking! 

Great idea! Does Celine Dione live there?

Let them touch those things for once!

 
I wonder if she would have been so sympathetic it the looters had been "touching" her property?

To all you guys with the Dion reference. I missed the story. What did she do in the past? Was there a riot and she said let the looters take what they want?

Here is a statement from her after Katrina:

Dion criticized authorities for arresting looters in New Orleans, La., saying they should make rescuing the stranded victims a priority.

She said, "Oh, they're stealing 20 pair of jeans or they're stealing television sets. Who cares? They're not going to go too far with it. Maybe those people are so poor, some of the people who do that they're so poor they've never touched anything in their lives. Let them touch those things for once."

[Ben]

When an agent of the state restricts another agent of the state, that's 'tyranny'?

But of course we're talking about methodology, not who it's used against. This is the same tactic used against gun stores in this neck of the CA woods. It seems to be okay with you as long as it's something you're against, or you wouldn't have made the pornography crack.

[MechAg94]

So does that mean the state of Texas can tell the ATF to get out? 

[wooderson]

But of course we're talking about methodology, not who it's used against.

Are we? So everyone complaining about this move thinks you should be able to open up a strip club and a porn emporium next door to the local middle school?

Cuz as far as I can tell, the only reason people care about this is that it's suddenly affecting a class of business/society/govt. that they actually like.

It seems to be okay with you as long as it's something you're against, or you wouldn't have made the pornography crack.

Your first clause doesn't jibe with the second (where you correctly characterize my statement as a 'crack').

[Ben]

Cuz as far as I can tell, the only reason people care about this is that it's suddenly affecting a class of business/society/govt. that they actually like.

I believe I mentioned the Peace Corps and several other organizations people here may or may not agree with. I'd be surprised if anyone on this forum would complain about allowing a Peace Corps office to open in their city whether they agreed with the philosophy or not. Who is the Recruiter's office hurting that it has to be be binned with "pornographer's permits", especially in an open-minded, free city like Berkeley?

[wooderson]

Who is the Recruiter's office hurting that it has to be be binned with "pornographer's permits", especially in an open-minded, free city like Berkeley?

Who are the 'pornographers' hurting that they need to be binned with, etc..

Like I said, this has only come up because suddenly it's an element that folks like, rather than one they don't. I don't see the media - or APS - raising a stink over 'special use' permits for 'immoral' businesses.

[seeker_two]

So does that mean the state of Texas can tell the ATF to get out? 

+ 1 to infinity and beyond...... 

[Manedwolf]

So does that mean the state of Texas can tell the ATF to get out? 

+ 1 to infinity and beyond...... 

I'm still not sure why people think Texas is all freedom-minded and stuff. You've got to register LAB GLASSWARE with the state.

[Jamisjockey]

Is there anything in Bezerkley worth looting?

Expresso machines and Beret hats.

[Ben]

Who are the 'pornographers' hurting that they need to be binned with, etc..

Giminey Christmas, it's like I'm talking to thin air...

[SomeKid]

Bob,

Thanks. Now the jokes are real funny. 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

If the majority of Berkeley residents don't want Army people in their community, then they should get what they want.  Right?

Tyranny is OK so long as it's a tyranny of the majority.  And as long as you are part of the majority.

[wooderson]

Giminey Christmas, it's like I'm talking to thin air...

Only insofar as you keep dodging the porn angle - bringing up such objectionable neighbors as, uh, The Peace Corps.

So I'll ask it quite simply:
Do you believe it to be 'tyranny' when local governments place special zoning or permit restrictions on 'adult businesses'?

[seeker_two]

So does that mean the state of Texas can tell the ATF to get out? 

+ 1 to infinity and beyond...... 

I'm still not sure why people think Texas is all freedom-minded and stuff. You've got to register LAB GLASSWARE with the state.

That's why we still use Mason jars for the moonshine..... 

[K Frame]

"You've got to register LAB GLASSWARE with the state."

That's not restrictive!

I'm surprised you Texans don't realize that it's only so that the Lone Star Republic knows to whom to turn when it decides that it needs to practice a little chemical warfare to regain its independence.

Jeesh. 

[Manedwolf]

"You've got to register LAB GLASSWARE with the state."

That's not restrictive!

I'm surprised you Texans don't realize that it's only so that the Lone Star Republic knows to whom to turn when it decides that it needs to practice a little chemical warfare to regain its independence.

Jeesh. 

 

It had just amused me when someone told me I about that, I looked it up on the Texas state law sites, and yeah, it was true.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/criminal_law_enforcement/narcotics/pages/precursor.htm

The Department issues two types of permits for the regulated precursor chemicals or laboratory apparatus (glassware); one to legitimate businesses and the other for one time transactions where the items will be used solely for legitimate purposes. There is no fee for this permit. While the permit does not have to be displayed at a business location, it must be maintained so as to be promptly retrieved upon proper demand. The applications can be downloaded from this site but they must be printed, completed, and then mailed to our office. The forms must be originals; faxed and photo copies are not acceptable. The business permit will expire one year from the month of issuance. After expiration, the former permit provides the permit holder with no authority to receive or deliver a precursor or apparatus. A permit holder may not transfer or assign to another person a permit document or number or an authority conferred by the permit.

Generally, a person or business in this state must obtain a permit to take an order, place an order, deliver or receive a precursor or apparatus. Each principal business location must have a separate permit. Transactions involving the regulated chemicals or laboratory apparatus can also be accomplished by completing a Business Letter of Authorization and observing the 21-day waiting period. Additionally, a business must report to the director (DPS-PCLAS) each incident in which the distributor delivers a precursor or apparatus to a person located inside this state regardless of whether the recipient holds a permit or not. The report must be made not later than the seventh day after the distributor completed the transaction.

 

"Chemical laboratory apparatus" means any item of equipment designed, made, or adapted to manufacture a controlled substance or a controlled substance analogue, including:
          
(A)  a condenser;
(B)  a distilling apparatus;
(C)  a vacuum drier;
(D)  a three-neck or distilling flask;
(E)  a tableting machine;
(F)  an encapsulating machine;
(G)  a filter, Buchner, or separatory funnel;
(H)  an Erlenmeyer, two-neck, or single-neck flask;
(I)  a round-bottom, Florence, thermometer, or filtering flask;
(J)  a Soxhlet extractor;
(K)  a transformer;
(L)  a flask heater;
(M)  a heating mantel;  or
(N)  an adaptor tube.

So the Pyrex 2000ml Florence flask I have on my office shelf as decor would be a controlled item there that I would need to have a license for. That's just surreal. OMG DRUG LAB!!!

What would they think of the antique apothecary bottles I have on shelves in the bathroom as decor? Some of them are from precursor chemicals!! 

[MechAg94]

So does that mean the state of Texas can tell the ATF to get out? 

+ 1 to infinity and beyond...... 

I'm still not sure why people think Texas is all freedom-minded and stuff. You've got to register LAB GLASSWARE with the state.

I wasn't making any comment on Texas, just trying to carry wooderson's argument a little further and Texas is my home state.

IMO, Texas has a lot of good laws such as self defense and when the legislature can be in session, but we have some strange things also. 

[Werewolf]

Where's the darn DELETE message option???

I still don't have this darn write once, read twice before posting thing down.

[Perd Hapley]

Werewolf, they took it out, after I deleted about a thousand of my old posts.   

[Chris]

Just thinking this through...back when I was of recruiting age, I seem to recall walking through shopping malls and being approached by recruiters.  (It was always fun to tell them I was on my way to West Point and watch them squirm.)  Anyways, do we think Berkley will restrict this kind of recruiting as well.  And, what about those phone calls I got from time to time?  Will those be restricted as well?  Confine the recruiters to their offices, next door to the Hustler shop?  We're quickly approaching First Amendment restrictions here, and what's interesting is that it is almost a government on government restriction.

[Fly320s]

Is there anything in Bezerkley worth looting?

Expresso machines and Beret hats.

Espresso.

And what color are the Berets?

[Fly320s]

So I'll ask it quite simply:
Do you believe it to be 'tyranny' when local governments place special zoning or permit restrictions on 'adult businesses'?

Yes.  Well, not tyranny, but an unnecessary restriction on a business to which some people object.  The local zoning board should treat all business equally, as is the intent of laws.  That means that if a particular location is zoned appropriatly for an ice cream shop, then a strip club, gun store, gas station, or smoke shop should also be allowed there.