Your thoughts on McCain

[Sheng_Pao]

Okay, okay Manedwolf. I am sorry for having offended you. I just didn't realize that not everyone here supports Ron Paul's or my views.

[Perd Hapley]

Ah, but don't confuse "conservative voter" with "religious voter." Remember that most of the "evangelicals" were Democrats up until Carter... 

This has been claimed a million times, mainly by you.  Can anyone demonstrate why I should believe that?

[Silver Bullet]

Okay, okay Manedwolf. I am sorry for having offended you.

Don't get carried away.  There are a surprising number of folks here who go to extremes to try and justify the fact (to themselves, they're not convincing anybody else) that they are not voting for the best RKBA candidate. 

You hang around here long enough and you'll see some real fancy dancin' !   

[Manedwolf]

Okay, okay Manedwolf. I am sorry for having offended you.

Don't get carried away.  There are a surprising number of folks here who go to extremes to try and justify the fact (to themselves, they're not convincing anybody else) that they are not voting for the best RKBA candidate. 

You hang around here long enough and you'll see some real fancy dancin' !   

And there's also some people who I suspect of having a mini altar to Ron Paul in their closet, covered with photos of the guy.

[Bogie]

Fistiful, the defection basically happened in the heyday of Bro. Jerry, and Jim and Tammy... I dunno what Jimmy did to hack them off, or maybe part of it was fallout from row vs. getwet, but Reagan reaped the benefits...

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Manedwolf, should we call that poor guy a lunatic just because he said the TRUTH?

I read EVERYTHING Ron Paul has written, and the more I read, the more my heart swelled with pride. He has the courage to say things and say truths that most people nowadays would deny even if they realize, all for the sake of political correctness. Seriously, if I have the chance to rename New York City, I would name it something much, much worse, something associated with the place in prison where the worst of the worst scumbags are housed.

do you really expect us to believe you read everything paul has written? or are you another poster child for why paul can't win? gonna be one more nail in his creditability? his biggextr flaw is the way he draws flakes the way a candle draws moths

[LAK]

I suspect there are some folks here who would prefer someone like Robert A. Pastor in the WH instead of a genuine patriot like Ron Paul.

They ought to have their hero Pastor step forward as a running mate for John U.N. McCain.

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[Manedwolf]

I suspect there are some folks here who would prefer someone like Robert A. Pastor in the WH instead of a genuine patriot like Ron Paul.

They ought to have their hero Pastor step forward as a running mate for John U.N. McCain.

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Regarding my previous post vs. this one...

What've you got, candles, or incense?

[HK-91-762MM]

To the originator of this thread-
AT least he supports an assault weapon ban -!
   And thats the reason I support another posters opinion =I wish he was still in nam better yet dead!
We have no one to vote for this election !
MCcstain is a RINO and will get the support of Liberal Republicans AND liberal demoncraps in Banning MY GUNS!
I have no use for his kind !!!!

[Bogie]

We can hope that he'll go along, to get along, with the republican party.

Or we can fragment the firearms community even further, and completely negate our numbers as a voting block. If the election is close, we're going to be seeing a LOT of folks saying "just don't vote" or "vote third party." They're the ones who don't care what happens to our gun rights, as long as we don't vote for McCain - because every vote McCain gathers is one that Obama or Hillary will have to match/beat.

It's that simple. It's the lesser of two evils. It sucks. But hey, sometimes suckage is all you've got.

[ilbob]

Ah, but don't confuse "conservative voter" with "religious voter." Remember that most of the "evangelicals" were Democrats up until Carter... 

This has been claimed a million times, mainly by you.  Can anyone demonstrate why I should believe that?

many in the south were democrats, back when democrats were not in cahoots with the left to destroy the country.

they started leaving the democratic party in 1968 to vote for Nixon, and few ever went back, as the democratic party became the party that hates anyone with serious religious convictions.

[Perd Hapley]

Ah, but don't confuse "conservative voter" with "religious voter." Remember that most of the "evangelicals" were Democrats up until Carter... 

This has been claimed a million times, mainly by you.  Can anyone demonstrate why I should believe that?

OK, nothing so far. 

[Finch]

They're the ones who don't care what happens to our gun rights,

No, they are the ones who care about all their rights.

[Manedwolf]

They're the ones who don't care what happens to our gun rights,

No, they are the ones who care about all their rights.

By performing the voting equivalent of dousing themselves with gasoline and lighting themselves on fire. Does it make a statement? Sure. Does it accomplish anything?

Nope.

And don't try to pretend differently, or you're deluding yourself. Diverting votes from the flawed Republican is giving them to the Democrats who want to destroy everything.

[Bogie]

Fisty, went looking... Found a few references, but nothing concrete... Check wiki, for instance, but I don't consider wiki a good source.

I _do_ remember my childhood in the south. And a sudden swing when the religious folks were suddenly Republicans - Falwell's Moral Majority, etc...

FWIW, we had some of Jim and Tammy Faye's folks move into town (and those folks were -tacky-), and we tended to pay attention to that sort of thing...

[seeker_two]

Yesterday George HW Bush came out and supported McCain, stating that he was a good conservative and would not raise taxes.......


......I can't add anything to make it any funnier than that.....

[Tecumseh]

Ah, but don't confuse "conservative voter" with "religious voter." Remember that most of the "evangelicals" were Democrats up until Carter... 

This has been claimed a million times, mainly by you.  Can anyone demonstrate why I should believe that?

many in the south were democrats, back when democrats were not in cahoots with the left to destroy the country.

they started leaving the democratic party in 1968 to vote for Nixon, and few ever went back, as the democratic party became the party that hates anyone with serious religious convictions.

  And the Republicans are not out to destroy the country? 

I believe many in the South were democrats simply because their ancestors were all the way back until the GOP was founded.  Republicans wanted to free slaves, and the early democrats did not.  Many simply vote the way their family voted.  The Southerners wanted to keep slaves and the Democrats at the time were ok with that.

Today I would argue it is the GOP that would allow slavery and the Democrats would ban it.  But that is another discussion.

In the end I think that the GOP is guilty as well as the Democrats in trying to destroy the country.  Need we look further than the current administration.   

[HK-91-762MM]

I have said Mccstain is a RINO.
I live in NY stinking state  and we defeated Mario Cuomo MR assault weapon banner himself!  [qt we will ban these killing machines ]
 We replaced him with  The KING of all RINOs - Gov. G.Patakki. Who proceeded to Shove gun bans up our butts the likes of would make Cuomo Dance with glee!
  I fear the Liberals will introduce a Gun Ban Renewal -and the Liberal Repubs will go along -IF McCstain Is president he will go along and sign the Bill!
 Better we have a Hitlery or YOmomma Ohbomma signing and getting credit fir any Gun Bans -
Remember -First they banned My assault rifles [Hunters did not complain]=  Then they Banned 50 Cal target rifles =No one complained ]Then they banned small handguns [A few people complained ] =then they banned scoped sniper rifles[deer rifles] [Skeet and trap shooters Cared less ] when they came for everyone elses shotgun[DEADLY MULTI PROJECTILE FIRING WEAPONS ]   No one was left to fight !
Sorry if I sound Down in the dumps -! I need cheering up   :-)

[Finch]

And don't try to pretend differently, or you're deluding yourself. Diverting votes from the flawed Republican is giving them to the Democrats who want to destroy everything.

Saying they are flawed is a gross understatement. Our current breed of republicans are doing a fine job of destroying things -- like liberty.  McCain is a compromiser. That is more than evident with McCain-Kennedy and McCain-Feingold. Thinking that he won't sign anti-gun legislation is wishful at best.

[Sheng_Pao]

do you really expect us to believe you read everything paul has written? or are you another poster child for why paul can't win? gonna be one more nail in his creditability? his biggextr flaw is the way he draws flakes the way a candle draws moths

Ron Paul is the only hope we have for America, and we still have people trying to trample all over him. Come ON ALREADY! Does it take another Klintonista to make us realize what we done wrong??? Remember, LIBERTY is just like LIFE. We can only give it away ONCE.

[Bogie]

So, you vote for Ron Paul, who doesn't get elected. Does that accomplish ANYTHING?

He's getting a solid 5% across the country. And I'm thinking that at least 20% of those are folks who have lined their homes with aluminum foil...

[Silver Bullet]

And I'm thinking that at least 20% of those are folks who have lined their homes with aluminum foil...

Well, yeah, most of our houses have reflective insulation.   

[LAK]

"Flawed republicans"?

John U.N. McCain is more than flawed; he's just another globalist frontman.

Just like George W Bush.

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[Manedwolf]

So, you vote for Ron Paul, who doesn't get elected. Does that accomplish ANYTHING?

He's getting a solid 5% across the country. And I'm thinking that at least 20% of those are folks who have lined their homes with aluminum foil...

Well, I hope the Paulistinians enjoy burning their RON PAUL signs in their fireplace the first winter after President Obama or President Clinton taxes them so hard they're left with pocket change. Because they'll have helped put them in office.

The term "useful idiots" comes to mind.

[SomeKid]

"Flawed republicans"?

John U.N. McCain is more than flawed; he's just another globalist frontman.

If that were his only fault, I would not wish he was still in Vietnam, as a POW, or a corpse.