Your thoughts on McCain

[ilbob]

"We survived 8 years of pure Clinton evil before. No reason we can't do it again."

Hillary is far worse than Bill ever was.

Grasping and power hungry barely scratch the surface.

Remember her comment about theirs being a co-presidency?

A movie quote comes to mind...

There is only one Lord of Mordor, and he does not share power.

I don't believe Hillary is any worse than Bill. Bill is just more likable, so people tend to give him a pass.

[seeker_two]

"We survived 8 years of pure Clinton evil before. No reason we can't do it again."

Hillary is far worse than Bill ever was.

Grasping and power hungry barely scratch the surface.

Remember her comment about theirs being a co-presidency?

A movie quote comes to mind...

There is only one Lord of Mordor, and he does not share power.

I don't believe Hillary is any worse than Bill. Bill is just more likable, so people tend to give him a pass.

That's why I'm voting for Obama in the Texas primary and then vote for a third-party conservative in the general election. Obama is a one-termer at best....

[roo_ster]

McCain-Fiengold Incumbent Protection and First Amendment Defenestration Act

He has drunk the global warming kool-aid

Amnesty bill

Wants to "close the gun show loophole"

An economic illiterate

Contemptuous of folks who worked hard to earn their money instead of marrying it like he did

Wants to outlaw more vigorous interrogation techniques but expects our men to break those laws if need be

His only private-sector job was given him by his FIL and was held for around a year before he ran for Congress

I could go on...

[Ron]

McCain-Fiengold Incumbent Protection and First Amendment Defenestration Act

He has drunk the global warming kool-aid

Amnesty bill

Wants to "close the gun show loophole"

An economic illiterate

Contemptuous of folks who worked hard to earn their money instead of marrying it like he did

Wants to outlaw more vigorous interrogation techniques but expects our men to break those laws if need be

His only private-sector job was given him by his FIL and was held for around a year before he ran for Congress

I could go on...

Still light years better than Obama/Clinton

[K Frame]

"I don't believe Hillary is any worse than Bill. Bill is just more likable, so people tend to give him a pass."

Well, you hold on to that dream/fantasy/hope.

I have absolutely no doubt that Hillary isn't just as bad as Bill, she's pure, unadulterated evil of a kind that's normally only seen in the leaders of third world nations.

[Ryan in Maine]

McCain vs. Castro in The Octagon. Who's your money on?

[Paddy]

"I have absolutely no doubt that Hillary isn't just as bad as Bill, she's pure, unadulterated evil of a kind that's normally only seen in the leaders of third world nations."

Do you have any rational basis for that Mike?  Or is is just a gut reaction of some kind?  I'd much rather see Hillary in the Whitehouse than Obama.

[Bogie]

Well, just remember, a nominated Hillary will sell a BUNCH of bumper stickers. And guns.

And may actually get folks out to vote.
 
As for McCain... I see him as a one-term president. He's not going to get a honeymoon period. And the media and internet crews will be hard at work skewing public opinion against him.
 
And both Obama and Clinton are making promises that they're not gonna be able to keep. And that's gonna piss off their voters.
 
All told, I'd like to see Hillary go against McCain. I think McCain will get it, and then he's gonna be awful durn busy.

[Silver Bullet]

These might be deal-breaking if you were comparing McCain to Ron Paul, but when youre comparing McCain to Hillbama & well, lets take a look.
 

McCain-Fiengold Incumbent Protection and First Amendment Defenestration Act

This is bad all right.  Did Hillbama vote for these, though ?  Im guessing they did, and if so, theyre nearly as bad as McCain (as sponsor) on this issue.

He has drunk the global warming kool-aid

Same for Hillbama, Im guessing.

Wants to "close the gun show loophole"

And Hillbama would push for and sign a new AWB, which to my mind is far worse than the gun show loophole.

An economic illiterate

Worse than socialists ?

Contemptuous of folks who worked hard to earn their money instead of marrying it like he did

Worse than the socialists about being contemptuous of the little people ?

His only private-sector job was given him by his FIL and was held for around a year before he ran for Congress

So ?
 
I dont think youve identified any issue where McCain is worse than Hillbama.  And I think he will be much better than Hillbama on the issues of Supreme Court Justice nominees and not signing an AWB.

[Tecumseh]

These might be deal-breaking if you were comparing McCain to Ron Paul, but when youre comparing McCain to Hillbama & well, lets take a look.
 

McCain-Fiengold Incumbent Protection and First Amendment Defenestration Act

This is bad all right.  Did Hillbama vote for these, though ?  Im guessing they did, and if so, theyre nearly as bad as McCain (as sponsor) on this issue.

He has drunk the global warming kool-aid

Same for Hillbama, Im guessing.

Wants to "close the gun show loophole"

And Hillbama would push for and sign a new AWB, which to my mind is far worse than the gun show loophole.

An economic illiterate

Worse than socialists ?

Contemptuous of folks who worked hard to earn their money instead of marrying it like he did

Worse than the socialists about being contemptuous of the little people ?

His only private-sector job was given him by his FIL and was held for around a year before he ran for Congress

So ?
 
I dont think youve identified any issue where McCain is worse than Hillbama.  And I think he will be much better than Hillbama on the issues of Supreme Court Justice nominees and not signing an AWB.

  There is an awful lot of speculation in your post.  Lots of guesswork if you know what I mean...

[Silver Bullet]

They seemed reasonable conjectures.  Do you challenge any of them in particular ?

I mean, the original post was put forth without documentation also.  I don't see that my "insights" are any less substantiated.

[Manedwolf]

Tecumseh, Obama has outright stated that he wants to:

Ban the sale or transfer of ALL semiautomatics. ALL. Got a Garand in your family to be passed down from generation to generation? Too bad, the government will take it and destroy it. Not yours.

and

Have a national ban on concealed carry for all but retired police and military. I.E., police state.

[Tecumseh]

I am just saying that in the post I quoted.  There is a lot of speculation and the poster admits it.

I know what he has said and done.  I am an IL resident. 

However I just am bothered by quotes like this... "This is bad all right.  Did Hillbama vote for these, though ?  Im guessing they did, and if so, theyre nearly as bad as McCain (as sponsor) on this issue."  THis one also comes to mind.. "Same for Hillbama, Im guessing."

The fact that your guessing and making assumptions just was interesting.  Thats all.

[Scout26]

Defenestration

One of my All-Time favorite words. 

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/lutheranism/99284

...snip....The Second Defenestration of Prague occured in 1618. In this second defenestration, two vice-regents of the Austrian monarch and some governors of the Czech lands were thrown out of a tower window at Prague Castle. They were not killed, however. They fell onto a pile of garbage (mostly straw) which had accumulated in the castle moat. Obviously the irate group involved in this defenestration didn't plan as well as their Hussite forbears.

But this second defenestration is noteworthy because it is pointed out as the igniter of the Thirty Years War (1618-1648).

 

[LAK]

A lot of people on the right seem to HATE McCain.  Limbaugh certainly seems to be a prime example of this.  Yet is is probably the rights most electable candidate.    I'm curious to know what the members of this forum think of him and more importantly... why they think that way.

"Hate" or "love" are not what come to mind when I think of national leaders. More in terms of their specific ideas; and what exactly are they going to do as president.

Certainly useful to know what their views are on this or that topic; rights, money, foreign policy etc. However, to make of judgement of McCain or anyone else I want to know what are they going to do about them - or not do about them.

McCain has made it clear, by omission, that he really is not going to do anything that needs doing. He is simply another, "Well ... you don't want [so and so] in office do you??!!" So, the show can go on. Corporate-government can have business as usual, the geopolitical agenda will continue, and we can be fleeced in the process while our rights and Constitution will continue to be chipped away.

I'd rather have another Clinton in the WH than McCain. She won't fool as many as McCain.

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[Scout26]

She's pure, unadulterated evil of a kind that's normally only seen in the leaders of third world nations.

Bill could and does hide his evil very well with his "Aw shucks, I'm for the litte guy." sthick.  Hillary just can't lie/decieve as well as Bill does.

And yes, I've already have my reservation for the Re-Education camp once Hillary gets elected.

Hillary '08 - Stalin was a piker !!

[Manedwolf]

Advice for investment if Hillbama should win:

Buy stock in any companies that produce cosmoline. Their sales will have an unexplained spike.

[roo_ster]

My point was not that Hillobama is better than Mccain on the issues, as the OP asked about my views on McAmnesty.

There is no question of my voting for him in the Texas primary.  I'll likely vote for the Weirdo Magnet, Ron Paul, since my gag reflex kicks in whenever I think seriously of endorsing Mccain or Huck as my choice for Republican candidate.

My decision for the general election is all fraught with ambivalence.

Hillobama will not get my vote in this universe.  I just don't know if I can yank the lever for Mccain.

I can see the Republicans in Congress fighting a whole lot more with Hillobama in the WH than with one who shares the GOP label.  And I really don't want McAmnesty as the leader of the party for 4 years.

Oh, well, I still have time.

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My wife has a clearer path.  She does not worry about positive votes FOR anyone, just making sure she votes AGAINST the Democrat, whatever the office in question.

[Silver Bullet]

My point was not that Hillobama is better than Mccain on the issues, as the OP asked about my views on McAmnesty.

That's true; I jumped the gun by assuming you were trying to make a case to vote for Hillbama over McCain.

[seeker_two]

Tecumseh, Obama has outright stated that he wants to:

Ban the sale or transfer of ALL semiautomatics. ALL. Got a Garand in your family to be passed down from generation to generation? Too bad, the government will take it and destroy it. Not yours.

and

Have a national ban on concealed carry for all but retired police and military. I.E., police state.

True....but how much of a chance does that have of getting through a Congress with Republicans who know their political careers are on the line after the conservatives make an example of the Great McCain Defeat of '08?.......

That's why I want One-Term Obama to win the Democrat primary. He doesn't have the backbone or bag 'o dirty tricks to push through that legislation that Hillary will, and McCain would sign it just to slap conservatives down.

America can survive four years of Obama.....but not eight years of McCain or a lifetime of Hillary......

[Silver Bullet]

True....but how much of a chance does that have of getting through a Congress with Republicans who know their political careers are on the line after the conservatives make an example of the Great McCain Defeat of '08?

How do you know that in the '08 election, as Obama is elected, that more Democrats won't be elected in Congress and the Senate to overwhelm the Republican votes ?  A better chance for "gridlock" is to vote in a Republican president; the Senate and Congress are already Democrat.

[seeker_two]

True....but how much of a chance does that have of getting through a Congress with Republicans who know their political careers are on the line after the conservatives make an example of the Great McCain Defeat of '08?

How do you know that in the '08 election, as Obama is elected, that more Democrats won't be elected in Congress and the Senate to overwhelm the Republican votes ?  A better chance for "gridlock" is to vote in a Republican president; the Senate and Congress are already Democrat.

That would work if a "Republican" was running.....

[BrokenPaw]

Hillary ended up being one of the 41 sponsors for the McCain-Feingold act, so she's just as at fault as he is for it.  It was voted on in the Senate on April 2, 2001, and Obama was not elected until 2004, so he did not vote either way on it.

Unless I misread this.

-BP

[Bogie]

Again, I think that Hillary, if elected, will be more of a moderate... She's looking to get re-elected, after all, and she's aware of the nastiness that can happen... Obama, I think, will actually try to Do Things.
 
With Obama in, I think we'd see a rapid removal of troops from the middle east. You may think that's good, but I think it'll be seen viewed by the population over there as a surrender and a sign of weakness, which means that they should then go on the offensive. Not good. Hillary's gonna pull out too, but I think it'll end up being slower and more pragmatic about getting the governments over there stabilized.
 
McCain? How many B52s do we have available?

I think that Obama is a worst case scenario. I don't think that Hillary will be able to accomplish much, but if Obama gets in, there's gonna be a RUSH of stuff that we're NOT going to like... And it's all gonna get pushed through. With Hillary, she's not going to get a honeymoon period, and she's going to run into -strong- opposition. Plus, I think that she'll sell a lot of guns. People who are so-so/apathetic about Obama get rabid about her... I think she'll get a LOT more Republican voters out on election day than Obama will...
 

[Paddy]

Looks like we're gonna get McCain or Obama.  Either will be a one termer IMO.