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Interesting. This is regarding his father, mind you, but this would seem to hint that Obama has entirely hidden his father's rather extreme socialism from the public.

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I have a copy of Barack Obama's paper here in my hand, obtained from the stacks at UCLA (see the picture above).  The paper is as describe by Odhiambo and Cohen, a cutting attack from the left on Tom Mboya's historically important policy paper "African Socialism and Its Applicability to Planning in Kenya."  The author is given as "Barak H. Obama" and his paper is titled "Problems Facing Our Socialism", published July, 1965 in the East African Journal, pp. 26-33.

Obama stakes out the following positions in his attacks on the white paper produced by Mboya's Ministry of Economic Planning and Development:

1.   Obama advocated the communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced "development plan", an important element of his attack on the government's advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)

2.  Obama advocated the nationalization of "European" and "Asian" owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the "indigenous" black population. (pp. 32 -33)

3.  Obama advocated dramatically increasing taxation on "the rich" even up to the 100% level, arguing that, "there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay" (p. 30) and that, "Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed." (p. 31)

4.  Obama contrasts the ill-defined and weak-tea notion of "African Socialism" negatively with the well-defined ideology of "scientific socialism", i.e. communism.  Obama views "African Socialism" pioneers like Nkrumah, Nyerere, and Toure as having diverted only "a little" from the capitalist system. (p. 26)

5.  Obama advocates an "active" rather than a "passive" program to achieve a classless society through the removal of economic disparities between black Africans and Asian and Europeans. (p. 28)  "While we welcome the idea of a prevention [of class problems], we should try to cure what has slipped in .. we .. need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now .. so long as we maintain free enterprise one cannot deny that some will accumulate more than others .. "  (pp. 29-30)

6.  Obama advocates price controls on hotels and the tourist industry, so that the middle class and not only the rich can afford to come to Kenya as tourists.  (p. 33)

7.  Obama advocates government owned and operated "model farms" as a means of teaching modern farming techniques to farmers.  (p. 33)

8.  Obama strongly supports the governments assertion of a "non-aligned" status in the contest between Western nations and communist nations aligned with the Soviet Union and China.  (p. 26)

http://gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/04/gregs-guide-to-barack-obamas-d.html

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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2008, 08:16:18 AM »
I'm no Obama supporter, but this kind of sleazy lowlife smearing by association politics of personal destruction is intolerable.  It's un American, and not likely to continue winning.

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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2008, 08:24:17 AM »
Uh...how is it smearing, when Obama himself talks about how much his father influenced him? Especially since he never mentioned these papers or any of the hard-hard-left socialist agendas his father was involved with as a lifelong thing?

Since Obama won't say a damned thing about what he truly believes, what are we left with besides those who influenced him, such as his father and pastor?

All he has to do is open his mouth and say "I reject socialism, and free market capitalism is what made this country great"...but he won't. Because I don't think he believes that. So we're left with having to follow clues as to what kind of person he is, because he won't say.

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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2008, 09:05:10 AM »
I'm no Obama supporter, but this kind of sleazy lowlife smearing by association politics of personal destruction is intolerable.  It's un American, and not likely to continue winning.


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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2008, 10:17:35 AM »
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2008, 11:57:01 AM »
Certainly, one should not visit the sins of a parent on the child.

BUT . . . if the parent's unsavory views and actions become public, and the child does not repudiate them (as Svetlana Stalin did!) . . . one wonders about the child's viewpoint.

We have Obama's father espousing socialism . . . and the Obama running for President of the USA is silent about it.

We have Obama's preacher cursing America . . . and the Obama running for President of the USA tries, halfheartedly, to distance himself from the words, but not the hate monger himself.

We have Obama's wife - a Harvard alumnus in her 40s - saying for the first time - THE FIRST TIME! - she's proud of America . . . and the Obama running for President of the USA ? ? ?

None of these, taken alone, is particularly damning. But taken as a whole each is another brush stroke which adds more detail to a portrait of Barack Hussein Obama . . . and it's not adding up to a very pretty picture.

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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2008, 12:05:29 PM »
Certainly, one should not visit the sins of a parent on the child.

BUT . . . if the parent's unsavory views and actions become public, and the child does not repudiate them (as Svetlana Stalin did!) . . . one wonders about the child's viewpoint.

We have Obama's father espousing socialism . . . and the Obama running for President of the USA is silent about it.

We have Obama's preacher cursing America . . . and the Obama running for President of the USA tries, halfheartedly, to distance himself from the words, but not the hate monger himself.

We have Obama's wife - a Harvard alumnus in her 40s - saying for the first time - THE FIRST TIME! - she's proud of America . . . and the Obama running for President of the USA ? ? ?

None of these, taken alone, is particularly damning. But taken as a whole each is another brush stroke which adds more detail to a portrait of Barack Hussein Obama . . . and it's not adding up to a very pretty picture.

Exactly my point. Obama is an empty suit with a question mark. He won't say what he believes. All we have to go by is those who shaped him and those whom he chooses to surround himself with. And that looks terrible, if that's the case.

Personally, I think he's a hardcore socialist the likes of which America hasn't seen in half a century, he's just silent about it. For now.

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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2008, 01:40:48 PM »
Certainly, one should not visit the sins of a parent on the child.

BUT . . . if the parent's unsavory views and actions become public, and the child does not repudiate them (as Svetlana Stalin did!) . . . one wonders about the child's viewpoint.

We have Obama's father espousing socialism . . . and the Obama running for President of the USA is silent about it.

We have Obama's preacher cursing America . . . and the Obama running for President of the USA tries, halfheartedly, to distance himself from the words, but not the hate monger himself.

We have Obama's wife - a Harvard alumnus in her 40s - saying for the first time - THE FIRST TIME! - she's proud of America . . . and the Obama running for President of the USA ? ? ?

None of these, taken alone, is particularly damning. But taken as a whole each is another brush stroke which adds more detail to a portrait of Barack Hussein Obama . . . and it's not adding up to a very pretty picture. 


But those aren't important, of course. 

Nor is it important that he has neglected to pay respect to the flag during our National Anthem, while running for the presidency. 

Nor his connections and/or involvement with Weathermen types. 

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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2008, 01:51:32 PM »
I'm no Obama supporter, but this kind of sleazy lowlife smearing by association politics of personal destruction is intolerable.  It's un American, and not likely to continue winning.


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fistful, in case you are confused as to what I mean by that, I agree and think it's a good point angel
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2008, 05:06:41 PM »
I'm sorry, man.  I should have thanked you earlier for the vote of confidence on that other thread.  That was pretty cool. 
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2008, 05:13:36 PM »
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Interesting. This is regarding his father, mind you,

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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2008, 06:05:00 PM »
There's a point at which circumstantial evidence reaches critical mass.  Obama has more smoking guns than the Jesse James gang.
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2008, 02:33:20 AM »
Obama made it his political tactic to keep off the radar screen of most Americans and he's been remarkably successful.  As time advances we'll find out more, and interesting, and curious things about the good senator.  We've got a pretty good fix (I think) on his spiritual compass.  His political compass is becoming better well known.  We don't yet know about the kinds of people he attracts to his candidacy though early returns show really interesting people seem to be attracted.  Time is on our side.  Obama may have been a better candidate if the silly season had been much shorter.  The current long season allows for lots of research which appears to be paying off.  Patience.  We will have a complete picture of Obama long before the election.
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2008, 04:40:57 AM »
On the way home the other night, Hugh Hewitt read from a newspaper's survey of candidates for the Illinois legislature answered by BHO (the son), with BHO's hand-written comments in the margins.

After cutting through the painfully local (loco?) Chicago issues, what emerged was a doctrinaire leftist.  Not much political dsitance between father & son, in other words.
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2008, 02:25:43 PM »
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2008, 02:42:57 PM »
I know from talking with Barry that he is very proud of his father and it is obvious that his father was a large influence in his beliefs.

BTW, what if a candidate's father was writing mash notes about Hitler?  What if a candidate's father was writing tracts such as "Why the Jews Must Die" or "Harvesting the Organs of the Subhumans"?  Would this be the politics of association of personal destruction?  What if say David Duke's son were to run for President, could David Duke ever be mentioned?
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2008, 04:22:31 PM »
What little we know about Obama himself matches the pattern of the people surrounding him.  Obama and those closest to him all seem to be anti-American Marxists.

It's scary to think someone like this has about a 50/50 chance of becoming our next President.

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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2008, 06:00:06 PM »
On the way home the other night, Hugh Hewitt read from a newspaper's survey of candidates for the Illinois legislature answered by BHO (the son), with BHO's hand-written comments in the margins.

Is that the one where he answered the question about supporting the banning of manufacturing and selling of firearms with just a "yes?"
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2008, 10:38:48 AM »
Obama, if he gets the nomination, will provide a very good referendum on the state of American sanity--just how many have already been, in one way or another, thoroughly brainwashed, drugged out, pimped out, scrambled by pop media and culture, mal-educated.
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2008, 11:33:27 AM »
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What if say David Duke's son were to run for President, could David Duke ever be mentioned?

Only if his son runs as a Democrat.....
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2008, 01:02:02 PM »
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Obama and those closest to him all seem to be anti-American Marxists.
Only if you're confused about the concepts of Marxism and "anti-Americanism."

But you know, close.
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2008, 03:03:50 AM »
Obama is not really anti-American, although he does hate the Constitution.  He is a post-American.  He longs for a world without the USA.
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2008, 02:36:43 PM »
Well, they can probably use a good President in Kenya.
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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2008, 02:47:30 PM »
He's not running for president of Kenya.  He's running for POTUS.  And the only thing standing between him and the Oval Office is John McCain.

Ponder that for awhile.

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Re: More interesting perspective on Obama's socialistic tendencies
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2008, 05:59:04 PM »
I have, believe me. rolleyes
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