Gun seller offering discounts to 'save lives'

[K Frame]

Oh, and by the way.

This is not a political thread.

[freakazoid]

Wait, when did we come to the conclusion that at American busniness owner trying to turn a profit in a market based economy is a bad thing?

lol, that is what I was starting to think. You guys are supposed to be the capitalists here, 

You're assuming that every gun dealer in the United States gets the same wholesale price from the distributors they deal with.

Why wouldn't they?

[Perd Hapley]

Wait, when did we come to the conclusion that at American busniness owner trying to turn a profit in a market based economy is a bad thing?

lol, that is what I was starting to think. You guys are supposed to be the capitalists here,   

Cute.     Even in a red state, it is considered bad manners to profit from crime, carnage and tragedy.  I'm not saying he is, but to allege that capitalism condones all profiteering, no matter how base?  Well, that just very hammer-and-sickle of you. 

[freakazoid]

Cute.   rolleyes  Even in a red state, it is considered bad manners to profit from crime, carnage and tragedy.  I'm not saying he is, but to allege that capitalism condones all profiteering, no matter how base?  Well, that just very hammer-and-sickle of you.

Sigh, wasn't being serious, trying to be funny. Zooom, right over your head.

[Hawkmoon]

Wait, when did we come to the conclusion that at American busniness owner trying to turn a profit in a market based economy is a bad thing?

Mayhap when he claims he is selling at cost. One does not make a profit when selling at cost.

If the gentleman wishes to make a profit -- I have no argument with him. If his price (with profit) beats other dealers' prices (with profit) I might buy from him.

If he wants to sell guns (or widgets) at cost and lose money on every sale -- again I have no argument with him, and I might very well buy from him because probably nobody else is going to be selling at cost.

However ... if he wants to sell at a mark-up while claiming to be selling at cost, THEN I have an argument with him. He's being deceitful, and I prefer not to deal with deceitful people or companies.

[taurusowner]

Actually, capitalism does condone it.  But capitalism also gives you and I, the consumers, the ultimate power:  don't buy his products.  Moaning and hand wringing on an internet forum is pointless.  He's doing his job by trying to make profit.  You can do you job by not letting him through taking you $$ elsewhere.  Free markets are self regulating.

He can be deceitful all he wants.  That's the game.  The ball is still in your court when you choose not to reward him by not doing busniess with him.  How many customers he gains or loses through his tactics will show him what is right and waht is wrong.

[Perd Hapley]

Cute.   rolleyes  Even in a red state, it is considered bad manners to profit from crime, carnage and tragedy.  I'm not saying he is, but to allege that capitalism condones all profiteering, no matter how base?  Well, that just very hammer-and-sickle of you.

Sigh, wasn't being serious, trying to be funny. Zooom, right over your head.

With some of your previous comments, it didn't sound like a joke.  I was also responding to the line you quoted, which also seems to be in earnest.  Hawkmoon has a good response as well. 

[Perd Hapley]

Actually, capitalism does condone it.  But capitalism also gives you and I, the consumers, the ultimate power:  don't buy his products.  Moaning and hand wringing on an internet forum is pointless.  He's doing his job by trying to make profit.  You can do you job by not letting him through taking you $$ elsewhere.  Free markets are self regulating.

No, it does not condone it.  You are confusing "allow" with "condone." 

[K Frame]

"Why wouldn't they?"

Why? You're joking, right?

The distributors are going to cut better purchase prices for dealers who buy more units at a time, and who buy more frequently.

Among other things, it's called incentive pricing.

WalMart is one of the largest gun dealers in the United States, if not the largest.

Most dealers can't even begin to touch their prices on guns because where a large dealer might buy 10 Remington shotguns at one time, WalMart buys 10,000 at one time.

That's not unique to the firearms industry, either.

Large, high-volume auto dealers get far better prices on cars than small dealers, for example.

[K Frame]

"He's being deceitful, and I prefer not to deal with deceitful people or companies."

What is your basis and proof for claiming that the man is lying about his at-cost price?

Have you examined his dealer transactions and invoices from his suppliers?

Do you know, for a fact, what Camfour, RSR, or Lew Horton charges this particular dealer for the firearms that he purchases from them?

No.

You don't.

As I've explained below, a dealer's unit cost on any particular item is flexible and varies from dealer to dealer.

So, either post your proof that the man is lying about his at-cost price, or issue an apology for speaking out of turn.

[freakazoid]

With some of your previous comments, it didn't sound like a joke.

Thats why I put that smiley, so you would get that it was just a friendly jab. While it is true that I am not a fan of capitalism, doesn't mean I go ranting about it all the time. One of my friends is a pretty hard core libertarian and completely disagrees with me on this issue and yet we still joke about it.

[Perd Hapley]

So I have judged your attitude correctly.  Why don't you like capitalism, by the way?  Hate freedom, or something? 

[freakazoid]

WalMart is one of the largest gun dealers in the United States, if not the largest.

Really? They don't seem to have a very big selection of firearms, at least the ones I have been to. Seems to be mostly some hunting rifles, and a few shotguns. Never any "military" stlye rifles, and never any handguns. Although I did see one with a mini-14 once.

So I have judged your attitude correctly.

My attitude towards capitalism, yes. My attitude in general, I don't think so.

Why don't you like capitalism, by the way?  Hate freedom, or something?

LOL, yes, thats it. You pegged me. I hate freedom. Grrr, that freedom is bad. . I don't view capitalism as freedom. I view it as an exploitation of the working class. Unnecessary hierarchy in the workforce.

[Perd Hapley]

I don't view capitalism as freedom. I view it as an exploitation of the working class. Unnecessary hierarchy in the workforce.

So you do hate freedom.  OK, that's all I was asking about.

[freakazoid]

Yeah, I'm a Christian anarchist because I hate freedom,  Prove it.

[wmenorr67]

Freedom, when other socialism dosen't work.

[Perd Hapley]

Yeah, I'm a Christian anarchist because I hate freedom,  Prove it.

Your previous post demonstrated it well enough.  The use of the term "work force" alone demonstrates a collectivist view.  No? 

[freakazoid]

Collectivist in what way? And I said working class, not work force,

[Perd Hapley]

Unnecessary hierarchy in the workforce.

It's probably just an innocuous use of a common term, though, so I take it back.

What would be more free than capitalism, then?   

[freakazoid]

Oh, I DID use the word workforce, lol, my mistake. 

What would be more free than capitalism, then?

And behold, you answer,

Yeah, I'm a Christian anarchist ...

edit - And by capitalism as the ultimate freedom are you proposing a laissez faire system then? Because there are different levels of capitalism.

[Perd Hapley]

I never said capitalism was the ultimate freedom.  It is merely the economic expression of a free society.  But your anarchism belies any true interest in real freedom.  Funny that you want an anarchic society, but can't handle the "exploitation" that true freedom brings with it.  I think we're done here. 

[freakazoid]

I never said capitalism was the ultimate freedom.  It is merely the economic expression of a free society.

What?

Funny that you want an anarchic society, but can't handle the "exploitation" that true freedom brings with it.  I think we're done here.

Tell me, how someone can be free and exploited at the same time?

[Matthew Carberry]

Really the only "accessories" one needs are bullets. And you would have to get those whether or not you paid the gun at full price. Or if you wanted, buy them somewhere else. Or maybe you all ready have them.

Or maybe you don't.  Or maybe you feel compelled to stock up on holsters, ammo, and cleaning supplies because you got a fantastic good deal.  Whatever the motivation, the fact remains that some folks will buy gun related *stuff* to go with their new gun, which means the guy will make *some* money, which was the point I was making to HTG when he asked how is this guy going to make any money selling guns at cost.  Simple concept really, sell one item at a reduced price because that sale will drive the sale of related products (if for no other reason than the folks are already in the store).

Chris

"Loss leader" is, I believe, the marketing term.

[freakazoid]

What does Los Leader mean?

[Matthew Carberry]

What does Los Leader mean?

It's Spanish, the translation is a little obscure.