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White helicopters
« on: May 25, 2008, 02:13:20 PM »
Nice.  I wonder how this will be mis, I mean used...



Unmarked Chopper Patrols New York City From Above

Saturday , May 24, 2008

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On a cloudless spring day, the NYPD helicopter soars over the city, its sights set on the Statue of Liberty.

A dramatic close-up of Lady Liberty's frozen gaze fills one of three flat-screen computer monitors mounted on a console. Hundreds of sightseers below are oblivious to the fact that a helicopter is peering down on them from a mile and a half away.

"They don't even know we're here," said crew chief John Diaz, speaking into a headset over the din of the aircraft's engine.

The helicopter's unmarked paint job belies what's inside: an arsenal of sophisticated surveillance and tracking equipment powerful enough to read license plates  or scan pedestrians' faces  from high above the nation's largest metropolis.

Police say the chopper's sweeps of landmarks and other potential targets are invaluable in helping guard against another terrorist attack, providing a see-but-avoid-being-seen advantage against bad guys.

"It looks like just another helicopter in the sky," said Assistant Police Chief Charles Kammerdener, who oversees the department's aviation unit.

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly has said that no other U.S. law enforcement agency "has anything that comes close" to the surveillance chopper, which was designed by engineers at Bell Helicopter and computer technicians based on NYPD specifications.

The chopper is named simply "23"  for the number of police officers killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The $10 million helicopter is just part of the department's efforts to adopt cutting-edge technology for its counterterrorism operations.

The NYPD also plans to spend tens of millions of dollars strengthening security in the lower Manhattan business district with a network of closed-circuit television cameras and license-plate readers posted at bridges, tunnels and other entry points.

Police have also deployed hundreds of radiation monitors  some worn on belts like pagers, others mounted on cars and in helicopters  to detect dirty bombs.

Kelly even envisions someday using futuristic "stationary airborne devices" similar to blimps to conduct reconnaissance and guard against chemical, biological and radiological threats.

Civil rights advocates are skeptical about the push for more surveillance, arguing it reflects the NYPD's evolution into ad hoc spy agency.

"From a privacy perspective, there's always a concern that 'New York's Finest' are spending millions of dollars to engage in peeping tom activities," said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.

Police insist that law-abiding New Yorkers have nothing to fear.

"Obviously, we're not looking into apartments," Diaz said during a recent flight. "We don't invade the privacy of individuals. We only want to observe anything that's going on in public."

The helicopter's powers of observation come from a high-powered robotic camera mounted on a turret projecting from its nose like a periscope. The camera has infrared night-vision capabilities and a satellite navigation system that allows police to automatically zoom in on a location by typing in the address on a computer keyboard.

The surveillance system can beam live footage to police command centers or even to wireless hand-held devices.

"The commander on the ground can see what we're seeing," Diaz said.

On this flight, the helicopter used the camera to look for signs of trouble at several key transportation sites: the decks of Staten Island ferry terminal, the stanchions of the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge, the giant air vents feeding the Lincoln Tunnel. All of them passed inspection.

Without leaving Manhattan airspace, the chopper also was able to get a crystal-clear picture of jetliners waiting to take off from LaGuardia Airport and to survey Kennedy International Airport's jet fuel lines, which were targeted in a plot uncovered last year.

The chopper has helped track down fleeing suspects, including a recent case of a gunman who had shot his wife in Queens. As officers on the ground worried about how to approach the suspect's car, the camera in the sky hovered overhead, peeked inside the vehicle and found that he had already shot and killed himself.

During Pope Benedict XVI's recent visit, 23 patrolled the skies, at one point receiving a call from officers who had spotted a suspicious man with a camera on a rooftop near the pontiff's residence. Diaz radioed back that it was a false alarm.

"There was a modeling shoot going on," he said.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,357930,00.html

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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2008, 02:18:51 PM »
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2008, 04:33:04 PM »
I believe I'll stay out here in "fly-over country," thanks all the same.
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2008, 04:40:37 PM »
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In the far distance a helicopter skimmed down between the roofs, hovered for an instant like a bluebottle, and darted away again with a curving flight. It was the police patrol, snooping into people's windows. The patrols did not matter, however. Only the Thought Police mattered.

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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2008, 10:13:15 PM »
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In the far distance a helicopter skimmed down between the roofs, hovered for an instant like a bluebottle, and darted away again with a curving flight. It was the police patrol, snooping into people's windows. The patrols did not matter, however. Only the Thought Police mattered.

And then people say that references to oppression in modern society are somehow funny.
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2008, 08:52:10 AM »
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The chopper is named simply "23"

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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2008, 09:01:02 AM »
Wow.  23 flavors and now this.
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2008, 09:43:05 AM »
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The $10 million helicopter is just part of the department's efforts to adopt cutting-edge technology for its counterterrorism operations.
Ok, this drives me nuts.  The next person who says anything about "counterterrorism" who isn't a member of Delta, or the SAS, or Rainbow, or whatever needs to be flogged with a copy of the OED.

Unless this helicopter is launching TOWs at terrorists, it is not engaging in counterterrorism.

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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2008, 11:39:40 AM »
Read the article.

Couldn't help but think of a book I read by Vin Suprynowicz called Black Arrow.
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2008, 07:59:32 PM »
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The $10 million helicopter is just part of the department's efforts to adopt cutting-edge technology for its counterterrorism operations.
Ok, this drives me nuts.  The next person who says anything about "counterterrorism" who isn't a member of Delta, or the SAS, or Rainbow, or whatever needs to be flogged with a copy of the OED.

Unless this helicopter is launching TOWs at terrorists, it is not engaging in counterterrorism.

I hope that was sarcasm.  There are alot of agencies out there that are involved with counterterrorism.
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2008, 10:41:31 PM »
So what caliber on a white unmanned spy chopper?
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2008, 10:56:25 PM »
One step at a time the noose gets tighter.

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Kelly even envisions someday using futuristic "stationary airborne devices" similar to blimps to conduct reconnaissance and guard against chemical, biological and radiological threats.
Public officials often lie by omission; the "blimps" are already in use.

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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2008, 11:39:34 PM »
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2008, 11:54:31 PM »
One step at a time the noose gets tighter.

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Kelly even envisions someday using futuristic "stationary airborne devices" similar to blimps to conduct reconnaissance and guard against chemical, biological and radiological threats.
Public officials often lie by omission; the "blimps" are already in use.


And vulnerable to shotguns.
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2008, 04:33:13 AM »
One step at a time the noose gets tighter.

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Kelly even envisions someday using futuristic "stationary airborne devices" similar to blimps to conduct reconnaissance and guard against chemical, biological and radiological threats.
Public officials often lie by omission; the "blimps" are already in use.

Yup. There's one now!


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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2008, 05:27:00 AM »
Who needs the Thought Police when people stop thinking?

The real oppression lies in a culture that militates against rationality, responsibility, and maturity.  We have created the noose and tightened it ourselves over the last fifty years.

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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2008, 07:57:10 AM »
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"Obviously, we're not looking into apartments," Diaz said during a recent flight. "We don't invade the privacy of individuals. We only want to observe anything that's going on in public."
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2008, 08:27:31 AM »
One step at a time the noose gets tighter.

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Kelly even envisions someday using futuristic "stationary airborne devices" similar to blimps to conduct reconnaissance and guard against chemical, biological and radiological threats.
Public officials often lie by omission; the "blimps" are already in use.

Yup. There's one now!



So tell me, if helicopters are being used to observe population, why is it somehow funny someone suggests blimps are also being used?

Are you supposing that blimps are somehow outlandish, while helicopters are realistic?

You clearly believe the helicopter story - you quoted 1984 in a way that implies you're as disgusted by this as I am. And yet you feel the need to attack LAK... why?
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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2008, 08:57:50 AM »
Because I've had some flight time in a Goodyear, flying one down Ft. Lauderdale beach for about half an hour or so. Also rode in a Lightship, over cruise ships, and the passengers all waved. At 1000 feet up, everyone looks up at it. Blimps of any size tend to draw the eye. Don't you think someone might have...noticed?

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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2008, 09:03:49 AM »
Ehm, my Student Union rented a small blimp recently. Nobody really cared, and they had the thing floating gently over the entrance of the Uni for quite a while.

Besides, small blimps are actually more common, and likely draw less attention, than the big ones.

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Re: White helicopters
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2008, 02:34:20 AM »
People have seen them - clear as day... for years.
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Fuji Blimp Helps With Convention Security
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Mon, Aug. 30, 2004
 
Police officials refused to say how the blimp was being used, but Fujifilm spokesman Tom Shay confirmed Monday that NYPD officers were on board, free of charge, at the department's request.

The company has worked previously with law enforcers since the 2001 terror attacks, allowing counterterror officers aboard the blimp during high-profile events like the U.S. Open tennis tournament and New York's annual Fleet Week military celebration.

"When it's been possible to provide the blimp for surveillance, we've done that," Shay said. "We normally would be flying anyway at the convention to give our brand name exposure."
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The Blackwater Airships team completed design work at the end of 2006 and is now building the Polar 400 airship. This highly capable RPAV will provide a platform ready to accomodate a wide variety of state-of-the-art surveillance, communications and detection equipment that can record and store events and downlink them in real-time to ground operators. The make-up of the mission payload of up to 400 lbs will be determined by customer requirements -- whether for combat areas, port or border security, or coastal patrol.

The prototype Polar 400 is completing propulsion ground tests and when fully assembled will undergo test flights and then move into production by mid-year 2007. Following successful demonstration flights, Blackwater Airships will begin selling or leasing airships to Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security and other government customers. The Polar 400 is designed to operate for 48 to 60 hours at altitudes from 5,000 to 15,000 feet. The unique design of the RPAV propulsion system will give it the capability to loiter over a desired location with excellent low-speed maneuverability, along with an ability to fly at up to 50 knots to move quickly to and from a target area.
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BLACKWATER USA UNVEILS NEW SUBSIDIARY

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Moyock, NC - The national security of the United States depends upon innovative and flexible solutions in the global war on terror. Blackwater USA, the world's premier security, peace and stability operations firm recently unveiled its plans to create a new subsidiary; Blackwater Airships.

Blackwater Airship's initial focus will be the development and deployment of small remotely piloted airship vehicles (RPAVs) that can operate from 5,000 - 15,000 feet, move and hover, and stay aloft for up to four days. The airships will be equipped with state-of-the-art surveillance and detection equipment that can detect, record, and communicate in real time to friendly forces the movement and activities of terrorists.

Gary Jackson, president of Blackwater USA said, "This project is in keeping with Blackwater's support of peace and security throughout the world."

Follow-on phases of the project will include larger airships that will carry tons of payload in support of remote humanitarian and peacekeeping missions. Blackwater, who is already involved in stability operations throughout the world, continues to innovate in support of peace and security, and freedom and democracy everywhere.

The first Blackwater Airship will be available in December 2006.

Blackwater is committed to supporting national and international security policies that protect those who are defenseless and provide a free voice for all. Other Blackwater subsidiaries include: Blackwater Training Center, Blackwater Target Systems, Blackwater Security Consulting, Blackwater Canine, and Raven Development Group. For more information, please visit www.blackwaterusa.com.
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