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UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« on: June 03, 2008, 02:50:34 AM »
Guns campaigner stabbed to death

The grandson of prominent anti-gun campaigner Pat Regan has been arrested on suspicion of stabbing her to death.

Mrs Regan, 53, was discovered at the property on Marlborough Grange in the Hyde Park area of Leeds on Sunday.

The mother-of-six started campaigning against gun crime when her son Danny was shot dead in 2002.

The 20-year-old man was being held on suspicion of murder, police said. It is thought he had been arrested earlier in the day over another stabbing.

A 45-year-old railway worker was treated in hospital for a stab wound to his arm after challenging a man for trespassing at Leeds station on Sunday morning, British Transport Police said.

"She made such a big difference to so many people's lives"
Dee Edwards

Pat Regan

Mrs Regan set up a Leeds branch of Mothers Against Guns after her son Danny, 25, was shot at his home in Haydock, near St Helens, Merseyside in December 2002. His killer has not been found.

She had met government officials to discuss how to tackle the problems of guns and gang-related crime.

Dee Edwards, co-founder of campaign group Mothers Against Murder and Manslaughter, said Mrs Regan would visit schools and give talks about the dangers and consequences of getting involved in crime.

She said: "She made such a big difference to so many people's lives. This is an absolute tragedy for so many people."

Mrs Edwards said she had known Mrs Regan for about six years and described her as the "most incredible woman".

"It's just the most dreadful news for everyone. She's just an amazing woman," she added.

'No grudges'

Mrs Regan's friend Sylvester Johnson, 74, said: "She didn't want any young people to get caught up in the trouble that her son got caught up in.

"She was very brave and I don't know of anyone who would have a grudge against her."

In February, Mrs Regan was involved with the launch of a DVD warning about the dangers of gun and knife gang culture.

Speaking at the time, she said: "Things are reaching a critical point. Kids are dying before us, but we shouldn't have to bury our own children."

In the same month, Mrs Regan was at the then Prime Minister Tony Blair's side at a Downing Street summit on tackling problems relating to gang-related crime.

Her campaigning work was also praised by Princess Anne during a visit to the city earlier this year.

Labour minister Hilary Benn, who is the MP for Leeds Central and knew Pat Regan, said he was upset by the news of her death.

"I'm shocked, and greatly saddened to hear of Pat's death," he said.

"She made a huge impression on me and on many people that she met. She was determined to do all that she could so that other mothers didn't go through the experience that she went through when her son, Danny, was killed."
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 03:23:47 AM »
Hmmm . . . the deceased woman was 53 . . . her grandson was 20. Procreation must start early in that family . . . which might explain the mindset.

Anyway, looks like a twofer . . . activist nutter is gone, and her murderously violent grandson will likely get a stay in gaol.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 04:08:58 AM »
Most ironic death of 2008?
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 04:24:54 AM »
So far...   undecided
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2008, 04:25:43 AM »
So far...   undecided
Gonna be tough to beat unless a knife-control advocate gets clubbed to death.
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2008, 04:29:49 AM »
UK Crisis Situation Test

A crazed, knife-wielding maniac is in your home attempting to kill you. You would most like to be holding:

A) Tea
B) Soap
C) Remote Control
D) Firearm
E) Sternly Worded ASBO


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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2008, 04:44:33 AM »
UK Crisis Situation Test

A crazed, knife-wielding maniac is in your home attempting to kill you. You would most like to be holding:

A) Tea
B) Soap
C) Remote Control
D) Firearm
E) Sternly Worded ASBO



Forgot to add F) Your Crotch and/or Rear Because You Just Soiled Yourself
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2008, 05:21:03 AM »
UK Crisis Situation Test

A crazed, knife-wielding maniac is in your home attempting to kill you. You would most like to be holding:

A) Tea
B) Soap
C) Remote Control
D) Firearm
E) Sternly Worded ASBO



Forgot to add F) Your Crotch and/or Rear Because You Just Soiled Yourself
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How would that be opposed to D?

People often soil themselves even during a successful DGU.
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 05:27:34 AM »
Gotta remember this would be in the UK where firearms are for only the very elite.
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2008, 05:30:21 AM »
Gotta remember this would be in the UK where firearms are for only the very elite.

Well, of course, that's the point.

And they're for the very elite, and for the London street gangs. Even a recent BBC interviewer was told that they could get hold of a handgun like a used Glock, in London, for £40.

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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2008, 05:33:36 AM »
Gotta remember this would be in the UK where firearms are for only the very elite.

Well, of course, that's the point.

And they're for the very elite, and for the London street gangs. Even a recent BBC interviewer was told that they could get hold of a handgun like a used Glock, in London, for £40.

I assume they steal them from the police?
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2008, 05:38:51 AM »
Gotta remember this would be in the UK where firearms are for only the very elite.

Well, of course, that's the point.

And they're for the very elite, and for the London street gangs. Even a recent BBC interviewer was told that they could get hold of a handgun like a used Glock, in London, for £40.

I assume they steal them from the police?

There's a brisk business in smuggling them in. One big route is ferries. A few soldiers were caught smuggling guns back in to sell, too.

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"People have a list of what they want and essentially it's as simple as going to Tesco for firearms. You know what you want, you have the contacts and the network there. You place your order, they're delivered," he said.

"These deals are occurring in car parks and pubs and places like that."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7403383.stm

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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2008, 08:29:10 AM »
If I wasn't so sad about the tragic death of a sweet old lady, I would totally admit to chuckling at the irony.
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2008, 11:10:28 AM »
If I wasn't so sad about the tragic death of a sweet old lady, I would totally admit to chuckling at the irony.
53 is not so old, and her anti-gun activism precludes her being sweet.
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2008, 07:31:31 PM »
 shocked   You can't make this stuff up, folks. 
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2008, 08:26:27 PM »
Reading between the lines, it seems this lady's son was tragically killed in a gang-related shooting

His son then killed her.

Just leaping to conclusions, but it sounds like typical violence perpetuating over generations. 

Perhaps she could have spent less time blaming objects for her son's death and concentrated on raising his son properly?
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2008, 08:30:40 PM »
Reading between the lines, it seems this lady's son was tragically killed in a gang-related shooting

His son then killed her.

Just leaping to conclusions, but it sounds like typical violence perpetuating over generations. 

Perhaps she could have spent less time blaming objects for her son's death and concentrated on raising his son properly?


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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2008, 11:27:29 PM »
UK Crisis Situation Test

A crazed, knife-wielding maniac is in your home attempting to kill you. You would most like to be holding:

A) Tea
B) Soap
C) Remote Control
D) Firearm
E) Sternly Worded ASBO



Just to put it into perspective, the real life answer to this question is:

G) The drugs that you stole/sold/ripped off

Cut being involved in the drug trade or other illicit products/services out of the equation, and the industrialized world is a remarkably peaceful place to live. 
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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2008, 03:38:23 AM »
UK Crisis Situation Test

A crazed, knife-wielding maniac is in your home attempting to kill you. You would most like to be holding:

A) Tea
B) Soap
C) Remote Control
D) Firearm
E) Sternly Worded ASBO



Just to put it into perspective, the real life answer to this question is:

G) The drugs that you stole/sold/ripped off

Cut being involved in the drug trade or other illicit products/services out of the equation, and the industrialized world is a remarkably peaceful place to live. 

It's interesting that most "illicit" products/services are artificially created black markets - if you stopped telling people what they cannot put in their bodies and who they cannot put their bodies into you would eliminate two of the larger black market economies and eliminate a lot of unnecessary violence.

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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2008, 03:41:12 AM »
If I wasn't so sad about the tragic death of a sweet old lady, I would totally admit to chuckling at the irony.

Why do you assume she was a "sweet old lady" - anyone who wants to control other people, by definition, is most likely not sweet in any way.

Old ladies can often be manipulative control bitches.

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Re: UK: Guns campaigner stabbed to death
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2008, 03:44:45 AM »
If I wasn't so sad about the tragic death of a sweet old lady, I would totally admit to chuckling at the irony.

Why do you assume she was a "sweet old lady" - anyone who wants to control other people, by definition, is most likely not sweet in any way.

Old ladies can often be manipulative control bitches.
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