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Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« on: June 16, 2008, 05:23:10 PM »
From a blog linked on Real Clear Politics
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The whole idea of change lay at the heart of Obama's decision to go to Chicago, as he wrote in his 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father:

    When classmates in college asked me just what it was that a community organizer did, I couldn't answer them directly. Instead, I'd pronounce on the need for change. Change in the White House, where Reagan and his minions were carrying on their dirty deeds. Change in the Congress, compliant and corrupt. Change in the mood of the country, manic and self-absorbed. Change won't come from the top, I would say. Change will come from a mobilized grass roots.

Substitute "Bush" for "Reagan" and you'll get a pretty good picture of Obama's campaign today, which suggests that Obama has been selling the message of change since his organizer days.

Goebbels' Argumentum ad Nauseum anyone?  Screaming CHANGE! for 30 years (no matter who is in office) takes some talent.

From Little Green Footballs:

Lots of Che Guerva *cough* communsim/Castro *cough* flags at Obama's campaign office:






More Che from an Ohio Judge for Obama:



And from Armed Polite Society:

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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2008, 06:06:58 PM »
http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/

A quick background on Che:

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The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" systemthe system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. To get himself killed, and to get a lot of other people killed, was central to Che's imagination. In the famous essay in which he issued his ringing call for "two, three, many Vietnams," he also spoke about martyrdom and managed to compose a number of chilling phrases: "Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become &" and so on. He was killed in Bolivia in 1967, leading a guerrilla movement that had failed to enlist a single Bolivian peasant. And yet he succeeded in inspiring tens of thousands of middle class Latin-Americans to exit the universities and organize guerrilla insurgencies of their own. And these insurgencies likewise accomplished nothing, except to bring about the death of hundreds of thousands, and to set back the cause of Latin-American democracya tragedy on the hugest scale.

And he put Castro in power:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_guevara

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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2008, 07:36:51 PM »
Hey, my brother made that last image.  The other ones are old news.

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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2008, 11:43:05 PM »
Obama didn't exactly order that banner hanged, did he? It was a decision made by some local campus lefty moron.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2008, 11:57:08 PM »
You maybe correct Micro.  However, I don't see or hear him calling to have it removed.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2008, 12:14:03 AM »
You maybe correct Micro.  However, I don't see or hear him calling to have it removed.


....from HIS campaign office.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2008, 12:31:49 AM »
It's in Houston. I bet he didn't even see or know about this flag thing until it came up on TV. It's not like it's the headquarters of his campaign.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2008, 02:34:23 AM »
It's in Houston. I bet he didn't even see or know about this flag thing until it came up on TV. It's not like it's the headquarters of his campaign.

True, and if you get a load of college / university students in they will usually bring these things with them.  Certainly my alma mater was forever festooned with the items.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2008, 02:36:14 AM »
True, but let someone want to hang a Confederate Battle Flag and all hell breaks loose.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2008, 03:37:32 AM »
http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/

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The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims.
Maybe it's just poorly written, but Ernie Guevara died at least a decade before AIDS emerged.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2008, 08:14:51 AM »
http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/

A quick background on Che:

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The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" systemthe system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims.
Maybe it's just poorly written, but Ernie Guevara died at least a decade before AIDS emerged.

Hence, the use of the term, "eventually."
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2008, 08:27:12 AM »
Unfortunately, the forgiveable foolishness of adolescents has become the unforgiveable foolishness of too many adults who never grew up.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2008, 03:28:39 PM »
http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/

A quick background on Che:

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The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims.
Maybe it's just poorly written, but Ernie Guevara died at least a decade before AIDS emerged.

Hence, the use of the term, "eventually."

And hence the 'poorly written' part.  One can make a labor camp out of any 'undesireables'.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2008, 03:34:43 PM »
True, but let someone want to hang a Confederate Battle Flag and all hell breaks loose.

Yes, but noone ever said that these people were logical.  Nazism/Fascism kills 50 million people and it is utterly reprehensible; Communism kills 100 million and its a fashion statement.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2008, 06:06:21 PM »
True, but let someone want to hang a Confederate Battle Flag and all hell breaks loose.
  Do you have any examples of this?  I have seen numerous Confederate Flags being hung and nobody gives a damn. 

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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2008, 07:09:09 PM »
True, but let someone want to hang a Confederate Battle Flag and all hell breaks loose.
  Do you have any examples of this?  I have seen numerous Confederate Flags being hung and nobody gives a damn. 

Hung in the headquarters of a presidential candidate?
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2008, 12:37:45 AM »
True, but let someone want to hang a Confederate Battle Flag and all hell breaks loose.
  Do you have any examples of this?  I have seen numerous Confederate Flags being hung and nobody gives a damn. 

Hung in the headquarters of a presidential candidate?

There were not his headquarters. His campaign is not run from Houston.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2008, 02:53:01 AM »
It's in Houston. I bet he didn't even see or know about this flag thing until it came up on TV. It's not like it's the headquarters of his campaign.
And when he was made aware of it....how did he react?
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2008, 11:37:05 AM »
It's in Houston. I bet he didn't even see or know about this flag thing until it came up on TV. It's not like it's the headquarters of his campaign.
And when he was made aware of it....how did he react?


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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2008, 11:42:01 AM »
True, but let someone want to hang a Confederate Battle Flag and all hell breaks loose.
  Do you have any examples of this?  I have seen numerous Confederate Flags being hung and nobody gives a damn. 

Hung in the headquarters of a presidential candidate?

There were not his headquarters. His campaign is not run from Houston.

 rolleyes His "local" headquarters, then. Sheesh, like saying that only the Supreme Court building counts as an example of a courthouse.

And there have been any number of southern states that've been forced to remove rebel flags from official places. We're talking about things done in the public realm, not just by private individuals.
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Re: Obama: ~30 years of "CHANGE!" & communism
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2008, 03:37:58 AM »
SC went through a robust fight over a confederate flag atop the statehouse.  State lost PR and the legislature removed the flag to a statue on statehouse grounds.  As soon as it went up the same cast of characters who demanded its removal and agreed to its new location startup the effort to get it removed from the new location.
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