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WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« on: June 19, 2008, 09:54:31 PM »
Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
Says His Candidacy Will Benefit From GOP Defectors

By Eric Pianin
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 18, 2008; 4:00 PM

Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party presidential nominee, offered a scathing critique of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) today and predicted he would garner substantial conservative Republican support in a handful of battleground states critical to McCain in his campaign against Democratic Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.).

Barr, a one-time conservative Republican House member from Georgia who broke with the Bush administration and many of his former congressional colleagues, blasted McCain for his support of the war in Iraq, his energy policies and his stand on reducing government spending.

"With regard to domestic policy, Sen. McCain really has put forward nothing that would indicate he believes in dramatically shrinking the size and cost of the government," Barr said during an interview on washingtonpost.com's "PostTalk" program. "He does talk a great game about doing away with earmarks, but that really does not get near to the heart of the matter of the massive federal spending, the massive federal debt and the deficits we're running."

Barr is hoping to become the beneficiary of much of the support and some of the campaign funds generated by Libertarian-leaning Rep. Ron Paul (Texas) during his surprisingly vigorous bid this year for the Republican presidential nomination. Barr said "we really do" see an opportunity to match or exceed Paul's performance in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Indiana and West Virginia, where Paul picked up between eight percent and 15 percent of the Republican primary vote.

No Libertarian Party candidate has ever won more than a million votes nationwide in a presidential general election, but Barr believes he could improve on that with strong showings in the West, Southwest, and a handful of southern and Northeastern states.

"We see this (potential) not just in Ron Paul's very significant vote-getting capability in those states and those areas, but also in Sen. (Hillary) Clinton's ability to dramatically take votes against Senator Obama in the Democrat primaries," he said. "These are states with a lot of Second Amendment enthusiasts and blue-collar Democrats who are much more likely to adopt a Bob Barr message of strong support for civil liberties, smaller government and so forth."

Barr, 59, for years was a conservative Republican foot soldier in the House who strongly supported the war in Iraq, was a booster of the Patriot Act that strengthened the government's domestic surveillance powers, backed measures to ban gay marriage and voted to block the use of marijuana for medical purposes.

But since renouncing the GOP and embracing the anti-government tenets of the Libertarian party a couple years ago, Barr has flip-flopped repeatedly and now strongly opposes the war, condemns the Patriot Act as a violation of civil liberties, criticizes efforts to restrict gay rights, and even favors the legalization of marijuana for medical purposes.

Barr said that "the tremendous growth" of federal government powers since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks "has so dramatically shrunk the sphere of personal liberty in this country ... that it has really caused myself and many other Americans ... to take a much harder look at government power than we did in the past."
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 01:36:30 AM »
You know, I want to have some hope for Barr that I did for Paul, but after the tremendous support that Paul garnered and nothing, I have zero hope that he can affect any of change. I know that we are doomed for at least another four years of the same old song.....or worse.....

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 01:56:36 AM »
Finch, I don't think Barr wants to win. He wants to take 2-3% of the vote and be credited for McCain's loss.
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 03:31:35 AM »
. . . embracing the anti-government tenets of the Libertarian party . . .
I never thought of the Libertarian party as "anti-government" . . . I thought of them as "anti-excessive-government" with a platform to sharply reduce - but not abolish - the Feds.

The writer makes them sound like outright anarchists.
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 03:48:36 AM »
The LP has an outright anarchist faction, too.
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 04:24:15 AM »
Finch, I don't think Barr wants to win. He wants to take 2-3% of the vote and be credited for McCain's loss.

So who's funding him, then? Soros?

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 04:27:23 AM »
Finch, I don't think Barr wants to win. He wants to take 2-3% of the vote and be credited for McCain's loss.

So who's funding him, then? Soros?

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 04:30:54 AM »
I just wonder if he realizes that if his attention-getting ploy ruins the election, that he'll still be completely irrelevant.

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 04:32:28 AM »
I wouldn't call causing McCain to lose 'irrelevant'.
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 04:33:40 AM »
I wouldn't call causing McCain to lose 'irrelevant'.

I meant that if he causes Obama to win, we'll have socialism, and he himself will still be completely irrelevant. His bombthrowing will just have destroyed the country.

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 05:58:29 AM »
What makes anyone think Barr is any different than McCain?
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 05:59:53 AM »
I wouldn't call causing McCain to lose 'irrelevant'.

I meant that if he causes Obama to win, we'll have socialism, and he himself will still be completely irrelevant. His bombthrowing will just have destroyed the country.

I believe I have responded to these concerns in previous threads. You have read my comments regarding Scylla and Charybdis, yes?
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 06:02:39 AM »
I wouldn't call causing McCain to lose 'irrelevant'.

I meant that if he causes Obama to win, we'll have socialism, and he himself will still be completely irrelevant. His bombthrowing will just have destroyed the country.

I believe I have responded to these concerns in previous threads. You have read my comments regarding Scylla and Charybdis, yes?

There is exactly one thing I care about, and that's keeping Obama the unashamed Marxist out of power with a Dem congress behind him. McCain is a mess we can clean up. Obama is not.

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 06:09:59 AM »
I wouldn't call causing McCain to lose 'irrelevant'.

I meant that if he causes Obama to win, we'll have socialism, and he himself will still be completely irrelevant. His bombthrowing will just have destroyed the country.

I believe I have responded to these concerns in previous threads. You have read my comments regarding Scylla and Charybdis, yes?

There is exactly one thing I care about, and that's keeping Obama the unashamed Marxist out of power with a Dem congress behind him. McCain is a mess we can clean up. Obama is not.

Why exactly is Obama a "mess we cannot clean up"?

Yes, I get it, he's a left-winger. How is he worse than LBJ or FDR?
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 06:31:46 AM »
I wouldn't call causing McCain to lose 'irrelevant'.

I meant that if he causes Obama to win, we'll have socialism, and he himself will still be completely irrelevant. His bombthrowing will just have destroyed the country.

I believe I have responded to these concerns in previous threads. You have read my comments regarding Scylla and Charybdis, yes?

There is exactly one thing I care about, and that's keeping Obama the unashamed Marxist out of power with a Dem congress behind him. McCain is a mess we can clean up. Obama is not.

Why exactly is Obama a "mess we cannot clean up"?

Yes, I get it, he's a left-winger. How is he worse than LBJ or FDR?

If you have to ask, you're not really paying attention.

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2008, 06:35:08 AM »
I wouldn't call causing McCain to lose 'irrelevant'.

I meant that if he causes Obama to win, we'll have socialism, and he himself will still be completely irrelevant. His bombthrowing will just have destroyed the country.

I believe I have responded to these concerns in previous threads. You have read my comments regarding Scylla and Charybdis, yes?

There is exactly one thing I care about, and that's keeping Obama the unashamed Marxist out of power with a Dem congress behind him. McCain is a mess we can clean up. Obama is not.

Why exactly is Obama a "mess we cannot clean up"?

Yes, I get it, he's a left-winger. How is he worse than LBJ or FDR?

If you have to ask, you're not really paying attention.

Does Obama support raising taxes to hte same levels they were at in LBJ's time?
Re-enacting the draft?
Will he confiscate privately-held gold?
Will he support drafting Americans into "labor armies"?
Will he introduce a de-facto ban on all handguns?
Will he support putting the entire population on welfare?

And finally: Why do you think his legislative legacy will be impossible to repeal?




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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2008, 08:43:25 AM »
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Does Obama support raising taxes to hte same levels they were at in LBJ's time?
Re-enacting the draft?
Will he confiscate privately-held gold?
Will he support drafting Americans into "labor armies"?
Will he introduce a de-facto ban on all handguns?
Will he support putting the entire population on welfare?

And finally: Why do you think his legislative legacy will be impossible to repeal?

Do you have any sources for this?  I had never heard about LBJ trying to do any of this besides the draft reference.  I don't mean to accuse you of lying or anything, I am interested to read about it.

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2008, 08:54:01 AM »
Does Obama support raising taxes to hte same levels they were at in LBJ's time?
Maybe - hard to pin down an exact number, but he wants to expire the Bush cuts and has expressed support for the Warner-Lieberman global warming scam tax bill; this latter creates five new bureacracies at the Federal level and may raise effective taxes ABOVE LBJ's level for most people. He'll also need some way of funding his Obamacare health care plans.
Re-enacting the draft?
Only Democrats have been introducing bills to re-introduce the draft. We don't know where Obama stands.
Will he confiscate privately-held gold?
He probably won't pull an FDR, he'll just tax it away . . . and Democrats HAVE been making noises about restricting, regulating, and taxing the private sale and exchange of "non-numismatic" gold for a couple of years now.
Will he support drafting Americans into "labor armies"?
Don't know where he stands on mandatory "national service."
Will he introduce a de-facto ban on all handguns?
He wants to ban concealed carry - even within one's own state -  and has expressed support for "reasonable" gun laws, specifically singling out DC's handgun ban as "reasonable."
Will he support putting the entire population on welfare?
He supports the UN's initiative for civilized nations to contribute a portion of their GDP to "fighting global poverty" . . . the US's initial share would come to $845,000,000,000 in the first five years. Sounds a lot like welfare on a global scale.
And finally: Why do you think his legislative legacy will be impossible to repeal?
Obama wants to expand and implement new government bureaucracies dealing with everything from global warming to health care . . . once created, how many government bureaucracies have ever been abolished?





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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2008, 09:40:59 AM »
. . . embracing the anti-government tenets of the Libertarian party . . .
I never thought of the Libertarian party as "anti-government" . . . I thought of them as "anti-excessive-government" with a platform to sharply reduce - but not abolish - the Feds.

The writer makes them sound like outright anarchists.
I think it is fair to suggest that a substantial percentage of the LP membership are pretty close to being anarchists.
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2008, 10:10:44 AM »
. . . embracing the anti-government tenets of the Libertarian party . . .
I never thought of the Libertarian party as "anti-government" . . . I thought of them as "anti-excessive-government" with a platform to sharply reduce - but not abolish - the Feds.

The writer makes them sound like outright anarchists.
I think it is fair to suggest that a substantial percentage of the LP membership are pretty close to being anarchists.

The ones in this area are. They even use the A symbol. Tongue

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2008, 11:17:04 AM »
Finch, I don't think Barr wants to win. He wants to take 2-3% of the vote and be credited for McCain's loss.

So who's funding him, then? Soros?

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I look for the Libertarians to break the 10% mark in votes this election. It won't get Barr elected, but it'll get the GOP's attention.....

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2008, 12:01:58 PM »
I look for the Libertarians to break the 10% mark in votes this election. It won't get Barr elected, but it'll get the GOP's attention.....

I'll bet you a case of your/my favorite beer the LP does not break 10% popular vote.  You up for that wager?
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2008, 12:49:00 PM »
i'll cover some of that action  i think 10% is wishful thinking
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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2008, 01:52:50 PM »
i'll cover some of that action  i think 10% is wishful thinking

I think it's akin to "RON PAUL WILL WIN!!!!111eleventy"

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Re: WaPo: Libertarian Candidate Barr Blasts McCain
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2008, 03:05:54 PM »
I look for the Libertarians to break the 10% mark in votes this election. It won't get Barr elected, but it'll get the GOP's attention.....

I'll bet you a case of your/my favorite beer the LP does not break 10% popular vote.  You up for that wager?

Sure....as soon as I find what my favorite beer is. I'm still working my way through the suggestions on the other thread....  grin

And I don't think 10% is that optimistic....McCain is that bad......and a lot of people want to stick it to the Repubs....this would do it without having to vote for a liberal....
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