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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2008, 11:59:27 AM »
Did you ever have somebody talk about you as if you aren't in the room?  LOL

Actually you will find me with the same username on THR. I just learned of this forum from a link there........

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2008, 12:19:07 PM »
correct me if i'm wrong but didn't obamas position on the war shift with his buds government contracts there? mr transparency is just another hack
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2008, 12:46:18 PM »
My first thought was "The Kool-Aid is Strong in this One."  shocked


I was curious how this thread would go. The question was: would people be able to actually discuss the issues and beliefs without degrading to smears, attacks and swiftboat folklore.

That really is the challenge in these types of discussion. The thing is, there is so very much to be gained if we can share our thoughts and ideas. Our politics and government is truly our greatest responsibility. Yet, many times as a people, we treat it with our lowest level of integrity.

I realize that it is not likely that what I say will compel people to take thier politics more seriously and abondon the childish need to strike out at any opposition, but I think it has to be said. We really could take our country back from the massive corruption that has infiltrated it at every level.

The real bad guys are the special interest and corporate lobbyists who buy off our representatives destroy the very foundation that our county was built on. Those are your REAL enemies and they love to see us squabble about stupid and pointless issues. They love this because they know we are so easily distracted by menial garbage. They love it because we know we are weak when we are divided.

No, the real bad guys are the people like Mayor Daley, Gov. Blagojevich, ex-Gov. Ryan, Kjellander, Celleni, Rezko (aka Obama's Real Estate Fairy) who strong arm companies into paying bribes and kickbacks in Illinois' Pay-to-Play politics.  If he's so anti-corruption then why has he flip-flopped on his committment to a publicly financed campaign and is now out there shaking down those special interests and corporate lobbyists for campaign cash ?? 

Old School, I live in Illinois, just outside of Chicago in fact. I know what a cesspool of corruption the City of Chicago is, having worked there.   I'll believe Obama is anti-corruption when he throws Daley, Blago, et al. under the bus and in jail.

You think he's pro-2A, have you looked at his voting record while in the Illinois Senate??  Tell me one time that he vote for RKBA ??

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That is why most of the smarter legislators including Barack Obama are suggesting a single payer insurance program as opposed to the government run healthcare that Hilary championed at one point.

And just who would this "single-payer" be, praytell ??

I've studied Obama and his positions on the issues.  If he's not a Marxist, then he's a far left Socialist.  And I disagree with him on just about all of his positions.

So which old school are you at THR.  The one who's been a member since Feb 2004 and has 88 posts and hasn't posted anything since May 2008 or the one that just joined about a week ago on 13 Jun ??

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I am a "multiple" gun owner.

Okay, I call and raise.  Why the "quotes" around multiple, and how about a list of and features of the gun you own.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2008, 01:01:09 PM »
"Single payer" is a joke.  The single payer will be the US .Gov....you, me, paddy, and the guy down the street.  All of us.  Its what Britan and Canada use.  Yeah, I'm excited about waiting weeks just to get into see a doctor.  I'm excited about paying so much in taxes to cover it, that being poor would be more profitiable.  It is just an empty promise that sounds great!  Just like Obama...full of empty promises of a worker's paradise!
Newsflash!  Single payer HI is socialisim!  Obama is a Socailist, and you are his tool.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2008, 01:03:56 PM »
"Single payer" is a joke.  The single payer will be the US .Gov....you, me, paddy, and the guy down the street.  All of us.  Its what Britan and Canada use.  Yeah, I'm excited about waiting weeks just to get into see a doctor.  I'm excited about paying so much in taxes to cover it, that being poor would be more profitiable.  It is just an empty promise that sounds great!  Just like Obama...full of empty promises of a worker's paradise!
Newsflash!  Single payer HI is socialisim!  Obama is a Socailist, and you are his tool.


In fairness, not all socialist medicine systems are bad-I know firsthand that for the vast majority of the population, Australia's is far superior to this one.  And all the indicators on paper (death rates, length of time without treatment, missed diseases due to lack of diagnosis) France is way out there ahead of the United States....so whatever you want to complain about, the results they get are certainly better than ours.


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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2008, 01:26:19 PM »
Old School, one other thing.  There'll be and CCW/RKBA rally at the Thompson Center on 11 July at 11:00am, could you do us a favor and ask your candidate to come and show his support for the 2A, especially since this will be the day after the SCOTUS releases the Heller decsion. 
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2008, 01:36:33 PM »

In fairness, not all socialist medicine systems are bad-I know firsthand that for the vast majority of the population, Australia's is far superior to this one.  And all the indicators on paper (death rates, length of time without treatment, missed diseases due to lack of diagnosis) France is way out there ahead of the United States....so whatever you want to complain about, the results they get are certainly better than ours.

At what cost?  Increased taxes and reduced freedom. 
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2008, 01:37:24 PM »
Don't worry Nico, I won't be sucked in to your personal attacks on me. After all, that is my point exactly isn't it?
I also won't be chasing aroung looking up votes, bill and laws for your approval either. I fully understand powerplay and all of the political art tactics that people will employ to attempt to get their percieved enemies dancing to their beat. Not gonna happen.

The purpose of thread was to invite people to have a very real discussion on their political choices and THEIR reason for their choices. If you can function on that level, let's hear it.
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lol, personal attacks?  The only think that could be construed as personal in my post is that I said you sound like an Obama hack; although your subsequent posts have done quite a bit to show that you just might be one.  You've typed so much in this thread, but you haven't said anything of substance.  You've made general claims, but ignore specific challenges to those claims.  I don't expect you to do anything to get my approval, but it'd be nice if you provided something to substantiate your claims (not that I think you'll do that either).

If you want to have a "very real discussion" but aren't prepared to defend your platitudes, you've come to the wrong place to troll.  

About "perceived enemies," how should one perceive a person who openly advocates taking away their right and means to self defense (through theft) as well as socializing their livelihood (healthcare)?  

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2008, 01:42:23 PM »

In fairness, not all socialist medicine systems are bad-I know firsthand that for the vast majority of the population, Australia's is far superior to this one.  And all the indicators on paper (death rates, length of time without treatment, missed diseases due to lack of diagnosis) France is way out there ahead of the United States....so whatever you want to complain about, the results they get are certainly better than ours.

At what cost?  Increased taxes and reduced freedom. 

It's true that it costs money to do it that way-but so does insurance and dealing with the monstrosity that is insurance company claims review in the medical industry.  It's not hard to find people who are bankrupted here in America by medical debts-that is unknown for all practical purposes in Australia, even in cases where people use private treatment (that they are required to pay for out of pocket) or where they end up required to pay a share of the state's cost. 

The freedoms are reduced there for other reasons-the medical system has nothing to do with their lack of firearms rights, for example. 

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2008, 02:02:27 PM »
Obama's officially supported a federal ban on CCW.  His campaign webpage touted a ban on all semi-automatic guns. 

I think the website has removed both of these positions since I first saw them.

That tells you all you need to know about the lack of respect this person has for RKBA.

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2008, 02:05:45 PM »
Obama's officially supported a federal ban on CCW.  His campaign webpage touted a ban on all semi-automatic guns. 

I think the website has removed both of these positions since I first saw them.

That tells you all you need to know about the lack of respect this person has for RKBA.

You're supposed to meditate, clear your mind, and remove all those revisions from your consciousness each time. Just inhale the mind-muddling vapors and believe in chaaaange... Wink

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2008, 02:22:09 PM »
Obama's officially supported a federal ban on CCW.  His campaign webpage touted a ban on all semi-automatic guns. 

I think the website has removed both of these positions since I first saw them.

That tells you all you need to know about the lack of respect this person has for RKBA.

You're supposed to meditate, clear your mind, and remove all those revisions from your consciousness each time. Just inhale the mind-muddling vapors and believe in chaaaange... Wink

Exactly.  On his website it says " I'm asking you to believe."

Sorry, I prefer to THINK.


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Obama's officially supported a federal ban on CCW.  His campaign webpage touted a ban on all semi-automatic guns. 


Those have been "Memory-Holed".  You just need to believe in the "Hope of Change".
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2008, 02:40:39 PM »
Our local fire departments are all volunteer. undecided

Wow, that must be a pretty small town. I came from a small town too but even our little 2500 people town had full time fireman. I never minded my tax dollars going to them one bit.

County seat is a little less that 2000 people.  They have a volunteer fire dept, plus there are several "satellite" departments that mostly do wildland fires (not structures).  There is some tax support for equipment.

I don't live in any town.  Our rural dept gets more than half its financial support from donations (501c3).
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2008, 02:44:20 PM »
Our local fire departments are all volunteer. undecided

Wow, that must be a pretty small town. I came from a small town too but even our little 2500 people town had full time fireman. I never minded my tax dollars going to them one bit.

County seat is a little less that 2000 people.  They have a volunteer fire dept, plus there are several "satellite" departments that mostly do wildland fires (not structures).  There is some tax support for equipment.

I don't live in any town.  Our rural dept gets more than half its financial support from donations (501c3).

Careful, Obamatons don't believe in any donation unless it's compulsory. They think that people must be forced to "donate" through taxes. That no donation exists outside that.

For liberals, it really doesn't. Except for the arts, donation records show that they're pretty selfish bastards.

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2008, 03:05:07 PM »

Okay, I call and raise.  Why the "quotes" around multiple, and how about a list of and features of the gun you own.

Okay Scout, I will share that with you.
Newest aquisition to the oldest.

Beretta PX4 in .45 f model I intend to convert to a g model decocker.
Springfield M1A Loaded with synth stock. I want to convert it to the wood stock because the are beautiful in wood. I also want to learn from some other THR members about the best optics mounts.
Ruger P345 blue - My goto "peice" and what I use if I start to CC again. Maybe get one in stainless too.
Remington 11-87 Premier 12 gauge
Winchester 1894 30-30 -A gift from my father
Norinco NHM-91 - Probably my favorite. I modified the thumbhole stock so that it is incredibly comfortable to shoot.
Marlin Model 60 semi auto .22 - replaced my old winchester semi auto .22 from my childhood. The marlin just works better and is more accurate.

A few guns I have traded off.
Glock 23 - we just never really made friends
Remington 1100 lt-20  - upgraded to the 11-87
winchester semi auto .22 - Had it for 30 years but it just wasn't that great of a gun.
Ruger p90 stainless- great gun but it was a huge heavy brick
Ruger p95 blue - It was ok, but I wasn't into it much.
Sig p229 stainless - Nice gun but I used the money from the sale to get the M1A

PS. I would be interested in you experiences with Obama in your district. Feel free to PM me with the details of the people that you mentioned. I do want to know.
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2008, 03:12:10 PM »
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-johnkass,1,5488029.columnist?coll=chi-navrailnews-nav

John Kass has done a pretty good job of picking up where Mike Ryoko left off.

Google Anthony Rezko, Hired Truck, Shakman Decree, Chicago Zoning, Millinium Park cost overruns, O'Hare cost overruns, Grant Park Children's Muesum, Chicago Police SOS and CAGE, Hispanic Democrat Organization etc.  Obama was raised in the Chicago Democrat machine.  Google that too.

You have much to learn about "The Chicago Way".

Oh, and thanks for answering my question about your firearms, interesting collection.  I'm sure that BATFE boys appericate it also.   You can check out how long I've been a member both here and at THR, so which old school are you over there ?
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2008, 03:42:11 PM »
Let's go through what Obama would do:

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Beretta PX4 in .45 f model I intend to convert to a g model decocker. BANNED SEMIAUTO
Springfield M1A Loaded with synth stock. I want to convert it to the wood stock because the are beautiful in wood. I also want to learn from some other THR members about the best optics mounts. BANNED SEMIAUTO
Ruger P345 blue - My goto "peice" and what I use if I start to CC again. Maybe get one in stainless too. BANNED SEMIAUTO, NO CCW FOR ANYONE BY FEDERAL LAW
Remington 11-87 Premier 12 gauge BANNED SEMIAUTO
Winchester 1894 30-30 -A gift from my father COP-KILLER CALIBER
Norinco NHM-91 - Probably my favorite. I modified the thumbhole stock so that it is incredibly comfortable to shoot. BANNED EVIL ASSAULT RIFLE
Marlin Model 60 semi auto .22 - replaced my old winchester semi auto .22 from my childhood. The marlin just works better and is more accurate. BANNED SEMIAUTO

A few guns I have traded off.
Glock 23 - we just never really made friends BANNED SEMIAUTO
Remington 1100 lt-20  - upgraded to the 11-87 BANNED SEMIAUTO
winchester semi auto .22 - Had it for 30 years but it just wasn't that great of a gun. BANNED SEMIAUTO
Ruger p90 stainless- great gun but it was a huge heavy brick BANNED SEMIAUTO
Ruger p95 blue - It was ok, but I wasn't into it much.  BANNED SEMIAUTO
Sig p229 stainless - Nice gun but I used the money from the sale to get the M1A BANNED SEMIAUTO


You could keep your lever-action, or "level action" as the AWB II worded it. And even then, 30-30 was considered a "dangerous" caliber by Kennedy, worthy of a BAN.

You okay with that? Then by all means, vote away your guns. Go ahead.

Because OBAMA AND A DEM CONGRESS WOULD MAKE EVERY FREAKING GUN YOU EVER OWNED BUT ONE ILLEGAL FOR SALE OR TRANSFER, EVEN OWNERSHIP.

Is that clear enough?

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2008, 03:44:07 PM »
Let's go through what Obama would do:

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Beretta PX4 in .45 f model I intend to convert to a g model decocker. BANNED SEMIAUTO
Springfield M1A Loaded with synth stock. I want to convert it to the wood stock because the are beautiful in wood. I also want to learn from some other THR members about the best optics mounts. BANNED SEMIAUTO
Ruger P345 blue - My goto "peice" and what I use if I start to CC again. Maybe get one in stainless too. BANNED SEMIAUTO, NO CCW FOR ANYONE BY FEDERAL LAW
Remington 11-87 Premier 12 gauge BANNED SEMIAUTO
Winchester 1894 30-30 -A gift from my father
Norinco NHM-91 - Probably my favorite. I modified the thumbhole stock so that it is incredibly comfortable to shoot. BANNED EVIL ASSAULT RIFLE
Marlin Model 60 semi auto .22 - replaced my old winchester semi auto .22 from my childhood. The marlin just works better and is more accurate. BANNED SEMIAUTO

A few guns I have traded off.
Glock 23 - we just never really made friends BANNED SEMIAUTO
Remington 1100 lt-20  - upgraded to the 11-87 BANNED SEMIAUTO
winchester semi auto .22 - Had it for 30 years but it just wasn't that great of a gun. BANNED SEMIAUTO
Ruger p90 stainless- great gun but it was a huge heavy brick BANNED SEMIAUTO
Ruger p95 blue - It was ok, but I wasn't into it much.  BANNED SEMIAUTO
Sig p229 stainless - Nice gun but I used the money from the sale to get the M1A BANNED SEMIAUTO


You could keep your lever-action, or "level action" as the AWB II worded it.

You okay with that? Then by all means, vote away your guns. Go ahead.

Because OBAMA AND A DEM CONGRESS WOULD MAKE EVERY FREAKING GUN YOU EVER OWNED BUT ONE ILLEGAL FOR SALE OR TRANSFER, EVEN OWNERSHIP.

Is that clear enough?

And the one you had left you couldn't get ammo for because Ted Kennedy would ban .30-30 ammo because it's "Armor Piercing.".
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2008, 03:49:25 PM »
I added that, yes...I'd forgotten, 30-30 is lethal armor-piercing ammo whose only purpose is killing police.

I am absolute astonished that this guy doesn't realize that Obama and his minions would probably have the police take him down for even owning the Norinco MAK, since owning an AK derivative automatically means you want to commit mall rampages.  rolleyes

Did he miss Obama's WEBSITE statement that that gun only "belongs on foreign battlefields, not on our streets"?

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2008, 04:17:40 PM »
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-johnkass,1,5488029.columnist?coll=chi-navrailnews-nav

John Kass has done a pretty good job of picking up where Mike Ryoko left off.

Google Anthony Rezko, Hired Truck, Shakman Decree, Chicago Zoning, Millinium Park cost overruns, O'Hare cost overruns, Grant Park Children's Muesum, Chicago Police SOS and CAGE, Hispanic Democrat Organization etc.  Obama was raised in the Chicago Democrat machine.  Google that too.

You have much to learn about "The Chicago Way".

Oh, and thanks for answering my question about your firearms, interesting collection.  I'm sure that BATFE boys appericate it also.   You can check out how long I've been a member both here and at THR, so which old school are you over there ?
Thanks for the info. I will read about it. I lived many years outside Toledo but I have only been to Chicago once. I used to play tennis with an ex chicago cop. He told me that there was alot of "stuff" that goes on in that town.
As far as the BATF, not gonna happen. If anyone wants to take my guns they can have the ammo first. I did not mind answering your question. Your post was specific, reasonable and informative.
I did not know there could be more than one member with the same ID. You can tell me because my signature is currently the same at both boards.

I will request Obamas campaign to give me a statement regarding his official position and intentions on gun laws. I have been a regular contributor. I would like to think I will get an answer. I will share the response in it's entirety when and If I get it. However, I do beleive what I said in my origional post. I have never seen a speech of his where he sounded like a member of the "brady bunch". If anyone has any links to youtube or such where he speaks on the topic, please share it.

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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #70 on: June 21, 2008, 04:25:33 PM »
Why can't you just read Barry's old website?
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #71 on: June 21, 2008, 04:27:24 PM »
oldschool, I've collected some of what I'm calling "dubious claims," you've asserted in this thread.


oldschool is here to introduce us to a higher, purer political discourse, and to help us all to achieve that higher level. 
Not the best way to start your tenure here.  Such a tone is arrogant and insulting.


Publicly-funded fire departments are socialist. 
I think you should know that if you could substantiate that claim, most of us here would respond by calling for the privatization of fire departments. 


Obama is a champion of transparency and probity in government.  "Also, he will not allow the special interests, oil companies and defense contractors to continue to rob us blind."
Why should I believe that Obama is less prone to the vices of other politicians?  Or if Big Oil and Big Defense are "robbing us blind," what makes anyone think that Obama has any idea how to deal with that?  And since the choice is between Obama and McCain, how does Obama's record compare to that of the man who brought us the Campaign Finance Reform called McCain/Feingold?  Not that I'm promoting McCain or his bill, but what does Obama have to offer in this regard, that McCain don't got? 

I also have to register my befuddlement at the notion that corruption could be anyone's No. 1 Issue.  Is that honestly the biggest issue we face?  Could it be you're just harping on that, because it is the one thing Obama has attempted to deal with? 


"I like that the vast majority of Barack's campaign finance is coming from everyday people like us and not special interest."
Not a dubious claim, so much as a bit of demagoguery so old, it's got whiskers.  "Special interest" is nothing but a pejorative term for anyone with whom one has a political disagreement.  Even the NRA, with its 4 million members, is referred to as a special interest group.


Obama has "good judgment."
Just sounds dubious to me, that's all.  I wonder if there are some examples of that.  And no, the Iraq War thing won't be terribly convincing for some of us.  Backing up a controversial claim with another controversial position is called "begging the question."  Look that up under logical fallacies. 


Obama was a lone voice in the wilderness on the Iraq War. 
This is simply a myth, as anyone who was politically aware in 2002/2003 can tell you.  Opposition to the Iraq War was widespread and vocal, especially among those who currently comprise Obama's base.  So it's puzzling how Obama's voicing a fairly popular viewpoint could demonstrate independent thought. 


This last is not a dubious claim, just something with which I take issue.
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My gripe with Mc Cain is that I think he has sold out his own ideals in order to get elected. He was tough on the Washington Lobby and he did not buckle to the whims of special interest groups. Now there are lobbyists throughout his campaign and he is kissing up to all of the special interest groups that he used to shun. I think he is taking big money from powerful people who will expect reciprication when he is in office.

In other words, McCain is a politician running for the oval office.  The idea that Obama is somehow different from McCain in this respect is, well, dubious. 
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #72 on: June 21, 2008, 04:46:12 PM »
A few people have mention what Obama's website used to say but has been changed.
Any situation like this where you want to see previous versions of a website is actually stored in a web archive. It is refered to by the geeks as "the way back machine".
You can see the old version of any website at: www.archive.org
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #73 on: June 21, 2008, 04:59:22 PM »
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Re: I am voting for Obama
« Reply #74 on: June 21, 2008, 05:01:22 PM »
Old School,

I think you will find that many on this board are so far to the right, politically, that they absolutely cannot see a legitimate reason for someone to vote Obama.  That's why you are having people question whether or not you are a secret agent of the campaign, etc.  Obviously the polls make it likely that some people on this forum will support Obama-he wouldn't have the numbers he does if that weren't the case.


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