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APS, ready to start our own country?
« on: July 07, 2008, 01:47:39 PM »
Want some torture with your peanuts?
By Jeffrey Denning

Just when you thought youve heard it all...

A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has expressed great interest in a so-called safety bracelet that would serve as a stun device, similar to that of a police Taser®. According to this promotional video found at the Lamperd Less Lethal website, the bracelet would be worn by all airline passengers.

This bracelet would:

" take the place of an airline boarding pass

" contain personal information about the traveler

" be able to monitor the whereabouts of each passenger and his/her luggage

" shock the wearer on command, completely immobilizing him/her for several minutes
 
The Electronic ID Bracelet, as its referred to as, would be worn by every traveler until they disembark the flight at their destination.  Yes, you read that correctly. Every airline passenger would be tracked by a government-funded GPS, containing personal, private and confidential information, and that it would shock the customer worse than an electronic dog collar if he/she got out of line?

Clearly the Electronic ID Bracelet is an euphuism for the EMD Safety Bracelet, or at least it has a nefarious hidden ability, thus the term ID Bracelet is ambiguous at best. EMD stands for Electro-Musclar Disruption. Again, according to the promotional video the bracelet can completely immobilize the wearer for several minutes.

So is the government really that interested in this bracelet? Yes!

According to a letter from DHS official, Paul S. Ruwaldt of the Science and Technology Directorate, office of Research and Development, to the inventor whom he had previously met with, he wrote, To make it clear, we [the federal government] are interested in&the immobilizing security bracelet, and look forward to receiving a written proposal. The letterhead, in case you were wondering, came from the DHS office at the William J. Hughes Technical Center at the Atlantic City International Airport, or the Federal Aviation Administration headquarters.

In another part of the letter, Mr. Ruwaldt confirmed, It is conceivable to envision a use to improve air security, on passenger planes.

Would every paying airline passenger flying on a commercial airplane be mandated to wear one of these devices? I cringe at the thought. Not only could it be used as a physical restraining device, but also as a method of interrogation, according to the same aforementioned letter from Mr. Ruwaldt.

Would you let them put one of those on your wrist? Would you allow the airline employees, which would be mandated by the government, to place such a bracelet on any member of your family?

Why are tax dollars being spent on something like this? Is this a police state or is it America?

As we approach July 4th, Independence Day, I cant help but think of the blessing we have of living in America and being free from hostile government forces. It calls to mind on of my favorite speeches given by an American Founding Forefather, Patrick Henry, who said,

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/Jul/01/want-some-torture-with-your-peanuts/

I'm ashamed to work for the very outfit that is "interested" in this....
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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 02:22:42 PM »
Getting on a plane already feels like going to jail to me.  So I suppose some passengers wouldn't mind wearing handcuffs just so they can "feel more secure"  rolleyes

Are they going to have all the passengers check their clothes, too, and wear TSA provided scrubs or jumpsuits ?
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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 04:27:55 PM »
Is that the bracelet with the companion C4 suppository that can be triggered remotely?


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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 05:18:58 PM »
How about making a lethal voltage shock collar mandatory for all politicians, activated by popular vote? angry
That, or start with a Mr. Paul S. Ruwaldt. Snatch him, strip him naked, put shock collars/bracelets around his neck, wrists, ankles, private parts and all. Have a bunch of sadistic folks to shock him at irregular intervals angry. Make sure it hurts real bad.
Oh, I forgot, the aholes who came up with this bracelet in the first place ought to be dipped in honey and placed on an anthill angry!
I'll have a paper ticket, thankyouverymuch. The sheep can have their collars if they want to angry.

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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 06:14:54 PM »
Holy hell - where does this all end?

Articles like this make me want to publish a PDF, via torrent that details the exact construction of a do it yourself, GPS-based surface to air missile; complete with dimensioned part blueprints, microcontroller code, engine designs, and a few chapters borrowed from uncle festers manuals.

You want a real security problem to fix?  I'll give you a real one, asshat.  angry

(On a side note, I wonder how many years in jail I'd get for open-sourcing something like that...)

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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2008, 06:35:44 PM »
Holy hell - where does this all end?

Articles like this make me want to publish a PDF, via torrent that details the exact construction of a do it yourself, GPS-based surface to air missile; complete with dimensioned part blueprints, microcontroller code, engine designs, and a few chapters borrowed from uncle festers manuals.

You want a real security problem to fix?  I'll give you a real one, asshat.  angry

(On a side note, I wonder how many years in jail I'd get for open-sourcing something like that...)
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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2008, 08:52:39 PM »
This is a hoax, right?
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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2008, 09:53:32 PM »
Just because some asshat government bureaucrat wants this, doesn't mean he'll get it.  It doesn't mean anyone is going to take him seriously.

Remember, there are vast hordes of government bureaucrats on the payrolls.  Most of them must spend most of their time trying desperately to come up with ideas to justify their continued existence on those payrolls. 

Don't be surprised that a plan like this was written up.  Be surprised that the stupid thing managed to break out into the real world where real people would waste real time reading it.

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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2008, 11:49:54 PM »
Just because some asshat government bureaucrat wants this, doesn't mean he'll get it.  It doesn't mean anyone is going to take him seriously.

True. Out here in CA we had a childless female Democrat pushing to outlaw the spanking of children.
Even our MSM turned against her.
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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2008, 04:04:12 AM »
Holy hell - where does this all end?

Articles like this make me want to publish a PDF, via torrent that details the exact construction of a do it yourself, GPS-based surface to air missile; complete with dimensioned part blueprints, microcontroller code, engine designs, and a few chapters borrowed from uncle festers manuals.

You want a real security problem to fix?  I'll give you a real one, asshat.  angry

(On a side note, I wonder how many years in jail I'd get for open-sourcing something like that...)
Hey, if you have it ready, I'd like a copy if you are willing to share. No knowledge like forbidden knowledge...
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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 04:14:28 AM »
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(On a side note, I wonder how many years in jail I'd get for open-sourcing something like that...)

Been done.

Manuals for explosives, ricin, home-made subguns, are all out there online.

And a guy in NZ actually did a missile.
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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2008, 04:39:18 AM »
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(On a side note, I wonder how many years in jail I'd get for open-sourcing something like that...)

Been done.

Manuals for explosives, ricin, home-made subguns, are all out there online.

And a guy in NZ actually did a missile.
I've got files on subguns, handgrenades, ammo and explosives. No missiles though sad. I feel as if I'm left out here! Give me ze missile!

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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2008, 06:31:20 AM »
Ten minutes before someone hacks the system and stuns an entire airport.

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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2008, 08:04:25 AM »
Seems to me if a "bad guy" wanted to take over a plane, the easiest way would be to gain control of the shock bracelets, and zap everyone into compliance.

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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2008, 10:31:06 AM »
Yep, I just want my thumb on the zapper button.  And not just on airplanes....... police
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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2008, 11:33:14 AM »
wonder what the penalty would be for screwing with the flight attendant and pretending your braclet was defective and started zapping you.

Oh and give me ze missles too lol
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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2008, 01:13:47 PM »
The filthy socialist that thought that up ought to be tarred, feathered and run outa town on a rail, after being savagely horsewhipped for even uttering that brain fart.

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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2008, 01:33:06 PM »
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Just because some asshat government bureaucrat(s) wants this, doesn't mean he'll get it.  It doesn't mean anyone is going to take him seriously.

Remember, there are vast hordes of government bureaucrats on the payrolls.  Most of them must spend most of their time trying desperately to come up with ideas to justify their continued existence on those payrolls. 


Probably where the first incisions of ballistic surgery needs to be performed.  angry
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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2008, 04:56:53 PM »
I read this today; I wish this article was a joke, but it's not. I can almost see this happening.

Here's a headline from The Onion. It's almost as funny.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27687

FAA Considering Passenger Ban

WASHINGTON, DCSeeking to address "the number-one threat to airline security," the Federal Aviation Administration announced Monday that it will consider banning passengers on all domestic and international commercial flights.


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"In every single breach of security in recent years, whether it was an act of terrorism or some other form of crime, it was a passenger who subverted the safety systems on board the aircraft or in the terminal," FAA administrator Marion Blakey said. "Even threats that came in the form of explosives inside baggage were eventually traced back to a ticketed individual. As great a revenue source as they have been, passengers simply represent too great a risk to the airline industry."

Under the proposed reforms, the FAA would institute a strict ban on adult passengers, passengers 18 and under, international travelers, and domestic customers. A battery of questions and ID checks will be used to determine whether an individual is a pilot, flight attendant, or federal security officerthe only humans who will be allowed to board an aircraft flying within or headed for the U.S.

In addition, security sensors installed at all gates will sound an alarm if they detect the presence of a 98.6-degree body temperature, and airport-security workers will be trained to spot and positively identify humans in the boarding area.

"Frankly, we've tried everything else," Blakey said. "We've put up more metal detectors, searched carry-on luggage, and prohibited passengers from traveling with sharp objects. Yet passengers still somehow continue to find ways to breach security. Clearly, the passengers have to go."

If approved, the new restrictions would go into effect sometime around Thanksgiving, before the busy holiday travel season. Customers who have already purchased tickets for flights scheduled to take place after the ban's enactment will receive a voucher good for travel to their final destination by bus or train. Should such transportation prove unavailable or inadequate, passengers on most major airlines will receive either a portion of their airfare refunded or a coupon redeemable for a future flight, from which they will also be banned.

"We realize that these new regulations would, for many air travelers, be a major inconvenience," Blakey said. "But we feel strongly that it's a small price to pay to ensure the safety of our skies."

While the ban's primary purpose would be to improve security, FAA spokesman John Gemberling said it would help the airlines' economic future, as well. As evidence, he pointed to the $7.7 billion losses posted by major airlines in 2001much of which came in the wake of Sept. 11and the $6 billion increase in passenger-screening costs since the tragedy.


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Detroit Metro during a test of the proposed no-passenger safety measure.
"We've been stretched as thin as we can go," Gemberling said. "New bag-tracking measures ensure that a passenger is on the same flight as his or her luggage, but do little to eliminate the threat of said passenger placing an explosive in the luggage. All bags are currently being screened with bomb-detection machines, but even these $1 million devices are only equipped to detect a limited range of the most conventional explosives."

Added Gemberling: "They're certainly not going to be much help stopping the next guy who wants to blow up a plane with something like a shoe."

Even the stiff measures included in the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, which President Bush recently signed into law, have proven inadequate.

"Improved explosive-detection systems, fortified cockpit doors, more plainclothes sky marshals aboard planes, and mandatory anti-hijacking training for flight crewsnone of it could eliminate the possibility of another Sept. 11 with 100 percent certainty," Gemberling said. "This will."

"We've tried every possible alternative, but nothing has worked," Gemberling continued. "For all our efforts, we keep coming back to the same central problem: humans."




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Re: APS, ready to start our own country?
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2008, 08:23:32 PM »
From Fox News tonight...

"A flight from Florida to New York Sunday night never got off the ground. That's because after the flight crew arrived late, angry and impatient passengers got verbally agitated and hostile. Apparently it was so bad, the crew wasn't comfortable working the flight so they refused to take off."

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