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« on: March 09, 2005, 12:12:30 PM »
Well from what the article has to say the next xbox will be a beast and probably cost an arm and a leg.


http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/microsoft-xbox/594331p1.html

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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2005, 05:19:21 PM »
Looks good.

I don't think it will be too expensive, I'd imagine that game consoles have a price point right around three hundred bucks or so.  Maybe $350.



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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2005, 05:30:43 PM »
That's gonna be one powerful console. Having seen some amazing visuals squeezed out of the current Xbox, I can't wait to see what they can do with Xenon.
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2005, 04:14:38 AM »
And of course, the PS3 "early reports" say the PS3 will be tons more powerful than Xbox2.

Well, you know what, the Saturn was tons more powerful, just a nightmare to program for. So until I see what the programmers pull off with the games, it's all just numbers for now.

Though I do look forward to both new systems.

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2005, 04:39:17 AM »
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Well from what the article has to say the next xbox will be a beast and probably cost an arm and a leg.


http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/microsoft-xbox/594331p1.html


How far in the future is this thing?  I ask because 3.0 GHz processors are no big deal now (Intel is already selling 3.8 GHz processors, for instance).  In a couple years they will really be old hat.

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2005, 09:32:31 AM »
Game consoles are usually behind the curve as far as what processor they have compared to what modern computers have.  

Microsoft or Sony really has an opportunity to make a popular game box/DVR/DVDplayer/HD Receiver/Web Browser all-in-one unit.  Seems very doable.

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2005, 10:33:39 AM »
Only thing I'm confused about is why they'd go with PowerPC cores.  AMD Athlon 64/FX-5x processors dominate gaming performance across the board, and do it at lower clock speeds & lower temperatures than these 3.0+ GHz CPUs.

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2005, 10:40:45 AM »
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Only thing I'm confused about is why they'd go with PowerPC cores.  AMD Athlon 64/FX-5x processors dominate gaming performance across the board, and do it at lower clock speeds & lower temperatures than these 3.0+ GHz CPUs.


My guess is to keep cost down.  Have you seen the prices on an FX-55 processor?  

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2005, 10:42:11 AM »
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Only thing I'm confused about is why they'd go with PowerPC cores.  AMD Athlon 64/FX-5x processors dominate gaming performance across the board, and do it at lower clock speeds & lower temperatures than these 3.0+ GHz CPUs.

Very true in the PC world, but there are two things to consider when it comes to consoles: first, the computing environment is completely different, insofar as you're not actually designing a multipurpose system. The overhead that will be incurred by the OS is far lower, so you can achieve more app-level glitz at lower horsepower. There's no good way to see whether the AMD line, in that environment, actually outperforms the PowerPC line clock-for-clock without actually doing real world benchmarking*. Which, presumably, MS has done. The second is price: at the size of the contract involved in producing Xenon, there's no knowing what kind of deal got cut with IBM for unit price on the CPUs.

The other issue (which will make 3...ah, well) is that MS is unhappy with the non-gaming uses to which people put the XBox (since it potentially eats into their PC software business, particularly as they try to sell Media Center). Moving away from an x86-compatible core will put the brakes on current development efforts for the XBox. At the very least, it will force people hacking their consoles to start from scratch. At best (from MS' POV), it will cut down the number of people even able to start doing it, since the PowerPC programmer base is so much smaller than the x86 programmer base.

*Edited to add: the other thing to consider is that, in the world of the console, the CPU may not be the limiting factor, particularly in comparison to RAM. If there's a target amount of RAM to be put in, there's no reason to include a CPU that can run well past what the RAM can handle.

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2005, 12:16:21 PM »
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Well, you know what, the Saturn was tons more powerful, just a nightmare to program for
 That's a low-down, no-good, filthy lie!  I have Linux running on mine  Cheesy

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How far in the future is this thing? I ask because 3.0 GHz processors are no big deal now
 Er, this isn't your P4 3.0GHz.  It's a triple-core PowerPC.  That's more than one processor in the same package.  If you've never worked on a SMP system, lemme tell ya', extra processors make a HUGE difference.

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2005, 12:41:32 PM »
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Er, this isn't your P4 3.0GHz.  It's a triple-core PowerPC.  That's more than one processor in the same package.  If you've never worked on a SMP system, lemme tell ya', extra processors make a HUGE difference.


You missed my point, which I guess wasn't that clear.  I was explaining why a system with 3.0 GHz processors won't necessarily be prohibitively expensive.  Processor prices are driven largely by the yields they can get that hit the desired speed, and since making 3.0 GHz processors is already a mature process, that means the new X-Box won't necessarily be expensive just because it has multiple 3.0 GHz processors when it comes out in a couple of years.  The cores might be $50 each retail by that point, and Microsoft will no doubt get a bulk discount.   Tongue

I  can count, you know, and am quite aware that several processors can out-perform 1 processor.   Wink

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2005, 01:36:20 PM »
I guess since they are going with PowerPC CPUs, I wonder if they will still program it to be able to emulate an original Xbox? I seriously doubt it now.

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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2005, 03:02:40 PM »
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I guess since they are going with PowerPC CPUs, I wonder if they will still program it to be able to emulate an original Xbox? I seriously doubt it now.
 Nah, no problem.  It's difficult to emulate back and forth with equivalent hardware and expect native speed, but with a much faster processor, emulation should be seamless.