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Two goals of his administration would be to secure all loose nuclear material during his first term and to rid the world of nuclear weapons, Obama told an audience before a roundtable discussion at Purdue University.

Obama said adhering to nonproliferation treaties would put pressure on nations such as North Korea and Iran. North Korea has tested a nuclear weapon and Iran has an energy program the Bush administration warns could be a precursor to nuclear weapon development.

"As long as nuclear weapons exist, we'll retain a strong deterrent. But we will make the goal of eliminating all nuclear weapons a central element in our nuclear policy," Obama said.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D91V3A3O0&show_article=1

So all we have to do is make sure that other nations don't have any nuclear weapons, then we can turn our own into happy fun toys for children with rainbows painted on them, of course.

OF COURSE, no rogue state would EVER think of having some in secret, no, no. Just like when there's gun control, no criminals ever would think to have a gun! Genie, bottle. Does not go back in. Ever.

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Obama said adhering to nonproliferation treaties would put pressure on nations such as North Korea and Iran.

How so? 
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I hate to be an optimist here on top of it all, but couldn't an argument be made that nuclear weaponry and related technology could be insanely useful in space exploration?

Aside from the Bruce Willis Armaggedon situations where we need to blow up big rocks coming towards us (or nudge them a bit with a gigaton bomb around Jupiter), I think nuclear weaponry and explosives could be useful for:

1.  Lunar or Martian mining or interior terraforming.  Build caves in the moon.
2.  Clearing the asteroid belt if necessary.
3.  Altering the orbit of natural satellites of other planets.  Create or decrease tidal forces.
4.  Atmospheric detonation of a nuke could be useful for clearing a supervolcanic eruption's soot from the sky here on Earth.
5.  Killing aliens that are hostile, whether they look like WWF wrestlers with crab faces, giant insects, big elephants or Area 51 critters.  Morality may not be a concept understood by another spacefaring species, or global extinction of life on another planet may seem like a very good idea to us.  I don't think PETA would complain if we finished Sigourney Weaver's job and nuked all the bugs from orbit just to make sure.
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I hate to be an optimist here on top of it all, but couldn't an argument be made that nuclear weaponry and related technology could be insanely useful in space exploration?

Aside from the Bruce Willis Armaggedon situations where we need to blow up big rocks coming towards us (or nudge them a bit with a gigaton bomb around Jupiter), I think nuclear weaponry and explosives could be useful for:

1.  Lunar or Martian mining or interior terraforming.  Build caves in the moon.
2.  Clearing the asteroid belt if necessary.
3.  Altering the orbit of natural satellites of other planets.  Create or decrease tidal forces.
4.  Atmospheric detonation of a nuke could be useful for clearing a supervolcanic eruption's soot from the sky here on Earth.
5.  Killing aliens that are hostile, whether they look like WWF wrestlers with crab faces, giant insects, big elephants or Area 51 critters.  Morality may not be a concept understood by another spacefaring species, or global extinction of life on another planet may seem like a very good idea to us.  I don't think PETA would complain if we finished Sigourney Weaver's job and nuked all the bugs from orbit just to make sure.

Nuclear *anything* has too much of a negative stigma attached to it.

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I hate to be an optimist here on top of it all, but couldn't an argument be made that nuclear weaponry and related technology could be insanely useful in space exploration?

Aside from the Bruce Willis Armaggedon situations where we need to blow up big rocks coming towards us (or nudge them a bit with a gigaton bomb around Jupiter), I think nuclear weaponry and explosives could be useful for:

1.  Lunar or Martian mining or interior terraforming.  Build caves in the moon.
2.  Clearing the asteroid belt if necessary.
3.  Altering the orbit of natural satellites of other planets.  Create or decrease tidal forces.
4.  Atmospheric detonation of a nuke could be useful for clearing a supervolcanic eruption's soot from the sky here on Earth.
5.  Killing aliens that are hostile, whether they look like WWF wrestlers with crab faces, giant insects, big elephants or Area 51 critters.  Morality may not be a concept understood by another spacefaring species, or global extinction of life on another planet may seem like a very good idea to us.  I don't think PETA would complain if we finished Sigourney Weaver's job and nuked all the bugs from orbit just to make sure.

1. No, there are a lot easier ways of mining than by nuking stuff.
2. The belt isnt that dense, all of our probes that have traversed it made it through without being hit, the current odds of being hit while traversing it is one in a billion.
3. Unlikely, the force released by a nuke isnt that great.  Bear in mind that when SL-9 hit Jupiter, one of the fragments (admittedly the biggest one) caused a bang in the order of 6,000,000 megatons of TNT.
4. That would probably cause more harm than good. 
5. Aliens on their planet are not the aliens in that situation.  Besides, even if we did get there I would hope we would have better stuff than nukes by that point.

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When nuclear weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have nuclear weapons.

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I think we should send each and every last facing-hugging xenomorph to PETA.   angel
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And you thought they raised a stink about nuclear power plants?
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6. Project Orion.

And you thought they raised a stink about nuclear power plants?

Get the thing into orbit with relatively-friendly 'conventional' rockets, THEN fire it up.
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That rat had the nerve to come to my home town to say that.  It's bad enough when the politicians insult your intelligence from afar.  But to come here and do it in person is a serious insult. 

He's lucky to have secret service protection, lest his bad behavior earn him a punch in the nose.

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President Lotus-eater has one goal: National impotence.

That always ends the same way in every example in history.

"There, see, I'm entirely disarmed, and...uh...guys, what's with all the knives and guns all of a sudden? Guys? Let's be reasonable!"

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When nuclear weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have nuclear weapons.

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Gun control logic does apply to nuclear weapons.

Gun control and unilateral disarmament work equally well.
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If Obama is all they say he is, he can use the Superman IV plan.....

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If Obama is all they say he is, he can use the Superman IV plan.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094074/

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4.  Atmospheric detonation of a nuke could be useful for clearing a supervolcanic eruption's soot from the sky here on Earth.

Erm...I think that would just make things worse.  It would probably just add radioactive fallout to the volcanic debris.

Regardless, it's a meaningless comment, since even he knows there's no way the world will be rid of nukes during his presidency lifetime, so the US will not be giving up its nukes anytime soon

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On using nukes to mine or build caves on the moon, haven't you seen that new Time Machine movie that came out a few years ago?  You will just end up breaking apart the moon causing a new dark age on earth after which we will all be slave cattle for mind controlling trolls living underground. 
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So can someone show me the logic in gun control.  I don't believe that is a logical statement.
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On using nukes to mine or build caves on the moon, haven't you seen that new Time Machine movie that came out a few years ago?  You will just end up breaking apart the moon causing a new dark age on earth after which we will all be slave cattle for mind controlling trolls living underground. 
Wonder what Ken Brockman would have to say about the trolls.   smiley
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Everyone knows that trolls live under bridges ...  rolleyes
The Politics forum is a bridge?
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