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Do you really believe the headlines or do you think they are just going more under handed with their plans.  I vote for under handed.

Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
Says critics have blocked alignment of U.S., Mexico and Canada
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70864


By Jerome R. Corsi


The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America is dead, says Robert A. Pastor, the American University professor who for more than a decade has been a major proponent of building a North American Community.

"The new president will probably discard the SPP," Pastor wrote in an article titled "The Future of North America," published in the current July/August issue of the Council on Foreign Relations magazine Foreign Affairs.

The SPP, which critics contend is a step toward a North American Union, is an agreement to increase cooperation on security and economic issues signed by the leaders of the U.S., Mexico and Canada in 2005. Despite having no authorization from Congress, the Bush administration launched extensive working-group activity to implement the agreement. The working groups  ranging from e-commerce, to aviation policy, to borders and immigration  have counterparts in Mexico and Canada.

"The April summit meeting was probably the last hurrah for the SPP," Pastor wrote, referring to the fourth annual SPP meeting held in April in New Orleans.

Pastor attributes the failure of SPP to its largely bureaucratic nature and the decision policy makers made to keep SPP largely below the radar of public opinion.

"The strategy of acting on technical issues in an incremental, bureaucratic way and keeping the issues away from public view has generated more suspicion than accomplishments," Pastor admitted.

Pastor blames critics for the failure of the SPP, charging it has come under attack from both ends of the political spectrum.

"From the right have come attacks based on cultural anxieties of being overrun by Mexican immigrants and fears that cooperation with Canada and Mexico could lead down a slippery slope toward a North American Union," he wrote. "From the left came attacks based on economic fears of jobs lost due to unfair trading practices."

"These two sets of fears came together in a perfect storm that was pushed forward by a surplus of hot air from talk-show hosts on radio and television," he continued. "In the face of this criticism, the Bush administration was silent, and the Democratic candidates competed for votes in the rust-belt states, where unions and many working people have come to see NAFTA and globalization much as (commentator Lou) Dobbs does."

Pastor denied he had ever urged the creation of a North American Union.

"Dobbs, among others, viewed a report by a 2005 Council on Foreign Relations task force (which I chaired), 'Building a North American Community,' as the manifesto of a conspiracy to subvert American sovereignty," he asserted. "Dobbs claimed that the CFR study proposed a North American Union, although it did not."

Pastor has argued consistently for a "North American Community," as suggested by the title of his 2001 book entitled "Toward a North American Community."

In a commentary authored for WND, Pastor stressed, "I do not propose a North American Union; I propose a North American Community."

Pastor argued the two were different in that North American Community would involve "three sovereign governments that seek to strengthen bonds of cooperation."

Noting that the European Community was a transitional state between the European Common Market and the European Union, Pastor conceded to WND that, "I don't think a political union of North America is an inherently bad idea, nor do I think it is a good idea for right now."

Despite the SPP setback, Pastor remains determined to advise a different approach to his continued goal of integrating the U.S., Mexico and Canada into a North American Community.

"The three heads of state must also commit to building a new consciousness, a new way of thinking about one's neighbors and about the continental agenda," he said. "Americans, Canadians and Mexicans can be nationals and North Americans at the same time."

To correct the defects of the SPP bureaucratic closed-door process, Pastor's CFR article recommended creating new North American institutions, including a North American Investment Fund of at least $20 billion a year "to connect central and southern Mexico to the United States with roads, ports, and communications."

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, dropped his support for Senate bill 3622 in the 109th Congress when WND reported the North American Investment Fund proposed by the legislation would enact a key proposal Pastor has frequently made for advancing his North American Community agenda.

In his CFR article, Pastor also called for the continuation of annual North American heads-of-state summits and the appointment in the next administration of a national adviser for North American affairs, who would chair a cabinet-level committee to formulate a comprehensive plan for North America.

Pastor also encouraged creating a dozen university centers for North American studies "to educate a new generation of students to think North American."

WND reported on the fourth annual North American Model Parliament held this year in Montreal, Canada, for 100 university students from the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

The North American Model Parliament is sponsored by the North American Forum on Integration, on which Pastor serves as a board member.

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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 06:20:53 PM »
"It's a trick. Get an ax."
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 06:48:20 PM »
Playing possum.
"Domari nolo."

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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2008, 06:53:13 PM »
Nuke it from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2008, 08:27:47 PM »
It took me a while to realize that NAU was an end-run around the constitution...

If it had been individual Mexican States or Canadian provinces applying for statehood
under our Constitution, I don't think anyone would have batted an eye.. (well, maybe
not that carefree, but certainly not the level or volume that the NAU caused..)

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years ago has yet to be exceeded..

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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2008, 11:02:15 PM »
Pastor is either a blatant liar or he has fallen asleep.

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"The strategy of acting on technical issues in an incremental, bureaucratic way and keeping the issues away from public view has generated more suspicion than accomplishments," Pastor admitted.
"Keeping issues away from public view"? My my, what could he possibly be talking about? Who has been "keeping issues away from public view"?

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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2008, 01:23:48 AM »
I won't believe it until Bush or McCain say it....



...and I'm not sure I'll believe it even then....
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 03:12:27 AM »
No it ain't dead.  It was exposed and the weasels can't stand it.

It will be back with a vengeance when the FED dumps the dollar and converts to the Amero.  Meanwhile bureaucratic termites will continue to build a new colony.
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 03:26:44 AM »
"It's a trick. Get an ax."

That may be my favorite post of all time.

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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 05:45:43 AM »
Something that was (we were told) never really alive is now really dead?

Glad they told us.

Now wait for the next tall tale.

The Fusion doesn't need governmental imprimaturs to happen.  It is taking place, brick by brick, every day, and it's hidden in plain sight. 

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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 06:37:51 AM »
There is no North American Commun(union)ity

Hatters, every last one of ya!!

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http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=8102

From the recommended reading list of the Council on Foriegn Relations, an orginization which really doesn't exist.
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 06:53:21 AM »
Thank God.

Just what the hell we need.


Canadian gun laws and Mexican poverty and joblessness.

And guess who would bear the frigging brunt of BOTH of those "benefits."
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 07:15:02 AM »
How about the APS, offspring, and relatives build the Mayflower 2 and sail over to Micronesia and conquer it.
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2008, 08:08:27 AM »
How about the APS, offspring, and relatives build the Mayflower 2 and sail over to Micronesia and conquer it.

Sounds good....but what would we do with the rest of the afternoon?....
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2008, 08:36:43 AM »
Good thing people are working on floating cities.

Perhaps a federation of 13?
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2008, 01:04:08 PM »
good riddance.

i support a certain amount of cooperation with one's neighbors, but I support nothing that takes any sovereignty away from the us and puts it in the hands of some faceless bureaucrat some where. we need a politician on the hook to tar and feather in case something goes bad.

NAFTA had, and has, a lot of potential for good for all three countries involved. Much better to transfer manufacturing to mexico than to China, and both canada and mexico have a lot of oil to offer us.
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2008, 02:17:41 PM »
good riddance.

i support a certain amount of cooperation with one's neighbors, but I support nothing that takes any sovereignty away from the us and puts it in the hands of some faceless bureaucrat some where.
Good neighbors tend to at least share the cost of a fence, as good fences make good neighbors.
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2008, 03:56:46 PM »
good riddance.

i support a certain amount of cooperation with one's neighbors, but I support nothing that takes any sovereignty away from the us and puts it in the hands of some faceless bureaucrat some where.
Good neighbors tend to at least share the cost of a fence, as good fences make good neighbors.

....and the choir said "AMEN!"......  grin
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2008, 10:18:32 PM »
No it ain't dead.  It was exposed and the weasels can't stand it.

It will be back with a vengeance when the FED dumps the dollar and converts to the Amero.  Meanwhile bureaucratic termites will continue to build a new colony.

Yup. it's only going dormant until the sheeple forget about it.
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2008, 07:46:36 AM »
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Thank God.
Just what the hell we need.
Canadian gun laws and Mexican poverty and joblessness.
And guess who would bear the frigging brunt of BOTH of those "benefits."

Or...

Canadian natural resources and Mexican bodies.
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2008, 08:16:31 AM »
"Or...

Canadian natural resources and Mexican bodies."

Funny, we already have those.

Purchased from Canada, and largely the result of illegal entry from Mexico.

The situation with Canada is fine.

The situation with Mexico? Yeah, it would VASTLY improve with a "North American Union" and the more open border concept that was created in Europe with whatever they're calling that fiasco of theirs today.
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2008, 08:34:02 AM »
Somewhat counterintuitively, mexico would be way ahead long term if we closed the borders. It would force mexican politicans to actually deal with the structural problems of their economy rather than exporting the problems to us.
"Or...

Canadian natural resources and Mexican bodies."

Funny, we already have those.

Purchased from Canada, and largely the result of illegal entry from Mexico.

The situation with Canada is fine.

The situation with Mexico? Yeah, it would VASTLY improve with a "North American Union" and the more open border concept that was created in Europe with whatever they're calling that fiasco of theirs today.

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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2008, 12:53:13 PM »
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Thank God.
Just what the hell we need.
Canadian gun laws and Mexican poverty and joblessness.
And guess who would bear the frigging brunt of BOTH of those "benefits."

Or...

Canadian natural resources and Mexican bodies.

Natural resources and a slave-worker population.....if it worked for the Spanish conquistadores, it can work for us.....  rolleyes
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Re: Father of North American Community concedes dream 'is dead'
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2008, 01:01:10 PM »
Natural resources and a slave-worker population.....if it worked for the Spanish conquistadores, it can work for us.....  rolleyes

That's my motto....

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