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Chertoff Misleads on Laptop Searches, Feingold Charges

Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold opposes border agents searching through Americans' laptops without cause, and he doesn't like how Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff articulated the government's current policy in an interview with Threat Level on Monday.

In that conversation, Chertoff said that in practice, border agents rely on a real suspicion to decide whose laptop to look into or even seize, but that he opposes creating a legal standard for searching Americans' electronics at the border since it would just lead to too much litigation.

Feingold, an outspoken civil libertarian -- the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act -- begs to differ.

    Secretary Chertoff's description of the newly published DHS policy on laptop searches was not just misleading  it was flat-out wrong. In an interview with Wired.com, the Secretary stated that "[w]e only do [laptop searches] when we put you into secondary [screening] and we only put you into secondary [screening] ... when there is a reason to suspect something."

    But the actual policy that DHS published says the exact opposite. It does not even mention secondary screening, let alone limit laptop searches to those cases, and it expressly states that Americans' laptops may be searched "absent individualized suspicion."     

    Secretary Chertoff's blatant mischaracterization of the DHS policy contradicts his claim to be engaging in greater "openness and transparency" on this important issue. His statements make it clearer than ever that as we work to protect our national security, Congress must also act to protect law-abiding Americans against highly intrusive searches.

DHS spokesman Russ Knocke dismissed Feingold's statement, calling it "sour grapes and paranoia from someone who can't accept that even the 9th Circuit ruled that what we're doing is constitutional."

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, considered the most liberal of the appeals circuit, ruled in May that border agents did not need any reason to look through a laptop, reversing a lower court that decided that laptops were closer to extensions of ourselves, than the modern analogue of a suitcase.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/chertoff-mislea.html

I hate to say it, but I approve of Senator Feingold doing this.
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Re: More about the laptop searches - finally, Feingold makes sense
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2008, 08:39:38 AM »
Skeletor needs to go. I lost my patience with that idiot back when he threatened NH for passing a law declaring that NH would not comply with RealID.

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Re: More about the laptop searches - finally, Feingold makes sense
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2008, 08:13:56 PM »
Skeletor needs to go. I lost my patience with that idiot back when he threatened NH for passing a law declaring that NH would not comply with RealID.

Quite, but he's right on this one.
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Re: More about the laptop searches - finally, Feingold makes sense
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 08:32:27 PM »
Skeletor needs to go. I lost my patience with that idiot back when he threatened NH for passing a law declaring that NH would not comply with RealID.

Quite, but he's right on this one.

Skeletor is Chertoff's nickname.  Because that's what he kind of looks like:

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Re: More about the laptop searches - finally, Feingold makes sense
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 09:22:15 AM »
Skeletor needs to go. I lost my patience with that idiot back when he threatened NH for passing a law declaring that NH would not comply with RealID.

Quite, but he's right on this one.

Skeletor is Chertoff's nickname.  Because that's what he kind of looks like:



Oh.

I'm going to have to apologize, then.

But still. Chertoff (which literally means 'of the Devil') doesn't need to go. His AGENCY needs to go.
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Re: More about the laptop searches - finally, Feingold makes sense
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 03:28:01 AM »
there is plenty of government that needs to go. the question is do we have the nerve to do it as a country.
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Re: More about the laptop searches - finally, Feingold makes sense
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 06:38:24 AM »
there is plenty of government that needs to go. the question is do we have the nerve to do it as a country.

Nope.  Too many proles happy to suckle the .gov teat.  Liberty will continue to be steamrolled as long as there are subsidies of the poor.
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Re: More about the laptop searches - finally, Feingold makes sense
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 01:10:22 PM »
there is plenty of government that needs to go. the question is do we have the nerve to do it as a country.

No.

Or rather, America as a country does not have the nerve to remove the cancer FAST . This was proven in this election cycle already.

Chipping away at it may prove a better strategic option.
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Re: More about the laptop searches - finally, Feingold makes sense
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2008, 03:49:25 PM »
Chertoff, aka, the Pop-Eyed Excresence.

Kinda looks like an anorexic Colonel Klink. Somebody airmail him a monocle.

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Re: More about the laptop searches - finally, Feingold makes sense
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 05:18:25 PM »
there is plenty of government that needs to go. the question is do we have the nerve to do it as a country.

No.

Or rather, America as a country does not have the nerve to remove the cancer FAST . This was proven in this election cycle already.

Chipping away at it may prove a better strategic option.

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Re: More about the laptop searches - finally, Feingold makes sense
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2008, 11:42:10 AM »
Chertoff, aka, the Pop-Eyed Excresence.

Kinda looks like an anorexic Colonel Klink. Somebody airmail him a monocle.

I would love to see him photochopped into Klink's outfit w/ monocle.....
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