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Re: Swingers Stage Naked Rally for Obama Including Mobile Sex Dungeon
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2008, 05:10:29 PM »
I don't think anyone is saying that "sex-positive" people shouldn't be free to do what they do.  I think we're mostly saying that what they do is stupid and risky.  Responsible sex is fine and dandy.  Sex-positive uber promiscuity doesn't seem at all responsible to me.

Yep.  Dunno where y'all are seeing advocacy of legislation to restrict sex.

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« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2008, 05:15:41 PM »
I don't think I ever accused anybody of wanting to legislate my sex life.
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« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2008, 05:24:33 PM »
2swap mentioned it. 

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« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2008, 05:28:50 PM »
Ah. Though your comment was pointed at me.

Anyhow, I'm with the liberals on one thing.

It's not sufficient, in my opinion, that we make certain options in our lives legal, or keep them legal. It is necessary to retain - or introduce - a mindset of individual liberty and responsibility.
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Re: Swingers Stage Naked Rally for Obama Including Mobile Sex Dungeon
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2008, 05:39:08 PM »
I don't think the "sex-positive" mindset is a good thing, either for the practitioners, for their partners, or for society at large.  I see no reason to give it social approval or support. 


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« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2008, 05:53:32 PM »
I understand your opinion from the first time you uttered. I of course think the sex-positive mindset is a good thing, as long as you can remain healthy doing it - as these fat people seem to be able to.

In general, I want a world where people like Loretta Nall are equal members of the society, not outcasts.

(And as long as we have laws prohibiting sex toys, we clearly don't have enough tolerance and freedom).
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Re: Swingers Stage Naked Rally for Obama Including Mobile Sex Dungeon
« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2008, 07:31:36 PM »
The 35-37 stat was from a discussion we had on gay marriage a while back.  It referred to a study in a Canadian city as to the longevity of gay men and the loss in years of life due to AIDS.

Oh, here we go, the city was Vancouver and the study published in the International Journal of Epidemiology:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=12178.msg219415#msg219415

Upshot: mean life expectancy for gay males was 34 years, given 3% of the male population was gay.

I bet the median is lower than 34 years.

Those are pretty freaking horrific numbers.  We're talking "sub-Sarahan Africa with a genocidal revolution" sorts of average lifespans.


So what if the costs go up   care to explain how you imagine they won't go up?

cool  you write the check

and there are quite a few legal issues that arise. ones that can be be addressed in a civil unions context.
civil unions would also allow couples who chose not to get married to qualify for benifits wether they are gay or hetero

You first..  how will they go up in any real sense?  You first brought up the cost issue and if I'm supposed to refute something I need to know what it is.

Hokay, time to add some light to the heat.  Or at least some data.

For those who think that it would cost nothing, dollar-wise, for insurance to cover the "partner" of a homosexual employees at a company, you fail basic arithmetic.  Those folks, even if they had similar illness & mortality rates, would end up costing somebody more money, because they use dollars to cover their health care.  TANSTAAFL...or TANSTAAFHC to be more specific.

Thing is, there are studies showing that homosexual males have an incredibly high mortality rate and use of health care during their peak earning years.  This is relative to heterosexual males.

To give an idea, the following study shows just how significant the difference is:
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/26/3/657.pdf

Summary:
Vancouver, BC, Canada had X number of male HIV deaths over a period of time.  Due to various factors, the homosexual population could not be accurately estimated as one percentage, so three estimates were used, high (95), med (6%) and low (3%).  These three models were used to determine homosexual male mortality rates and loss in life expectancy due to HIV (see note 1).

Take a good, long, look at Tables ! & 2 and Tables 1 & 2.  They are sobering tally a huge loss of life...and increased health care costs sooner, rather than later.


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                     Life Expect                      Loss due to HIV      
Gay and bisexual men                        
3% of population      34      (0.70)      21.3      (0.90)
6% of population      42.6      (0.50)      12.7      (0.70)
9% of population      46.3      (0.40)      9      (0.60)
All men                     54.3      (0.10)      1      (0.20)
(Std err for each value in parenthesis)

If you think it would cost fellow employees on the same insurance plan a big, fat, nuthin', I think the data says otherwise.  The data shows that while men are in their prime earning years, homosexual males are in a big hurry to fall ill and die.  Not only is the enterprise denied their skill and labor, it has to pay out big bucks for life-saving & extending treatments.  I would bet that in addition to health care costs, that we can toss in disability for them.



Note 1:  HIV is not the only thing that drives down homosexual life expectancy.  There are large correlations between homosexuality and other risky behaviors.


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Re: Swingers Stage Naked Rally for Obama Including Mobile Sex Dungeon
« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2008, 08:02:26 PM »
What you have to grasp about these swingers is, while at first thought it seems exciting and liberating and rebellious, when you see it up close and see just who is involved in it, it becomes repellent.

And thus is a perfect metaphor for the Democratic Party as a whole.
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« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2008, 08:14:24 PM »
What you have to grasp about these swingers is, while at first thought it seems exciting and liberating and rebellious, when you see it up close and see just who is involved in it, it becomes repellent.

And thus is a perfect metaphor for the Democratic Party as a whole.

Hm.  Yep.

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« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2008, 04:30:42 AM »
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condoms have a 2% failure rate in preventing pregnancy

So does that mean that if you have sex twice a week, that you only have two babies per year Huh?   laugh
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« Reply #60 on: August 18, 2008, 07:03:27 AM »
jfruser, this study shows the 'Bundesliga fallacy', I think.

It mentions those who dies but disregards those who are alive now due to better medication. And probably disregards that the elderly would not answer truthfully.

The same kind of study done in 1980 would show a significantly lower life expectancy for Bundesliga players. the Bundesliga is the first German soccer league. One could deduct from that that soccer is dangerous. one could however also deduct that, since the Bundesliga exists only since 1963, many living Bundesliga players simply do not appear in the statistic (and didn't have time to die of natural causes).
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« Reply #61 on: August 18, 2008, 07:28:09 AM »
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The data shows that while men are in their prime earning years, homosexual males are in a big hurry to fall ill and die

No, the study shows no such thing. It is specific in that it discusses the impact of HIV on life expectancy, and even the author points that out.

We know, as a matter of fact, that the situation today is not the same as it was at the time the study was made.

"In contrast, if we were to repeat this analysis today the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men would be greatly improved. Deaths from HIV infection have declined dramatically in this population since 1996. As we have previously reported there has been a threefold decrease in mortality in Vancouver as well as in other parts of British Columbia."

"Death is a product of the way a person lives and what physical and environmental hazards he or she faces everyday. It cannot be attributed solely to their sexual orientation or any other ethnic or social factor. If estimates of an individual gay and bisexual man's risk of death is truly needed for legal or other purposes, then people making these estimates should use the same actuarial tables that are used for all other males in that population. Gay and bisexual men are included in the construction of official population-based tables and therefore these tables for all males are the appropriate ones to be used."

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/6/1499

[Same researcher, same methods]

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« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2008, 09:24:25 AM »
Sex is quite safe if done intelligently.

you folks overlooking hep c  as well as the interesting problems associated with child birth if you have herpes.

there was a class a long time ago where folks were given a box with a "terrain" in the bottom and a tiny hole in the top. they weree to use a thin rid to poke through the hole and determine the profile with a few random samplings.  i see folks do the same with life. the younger and more academic they arer the more assured they seem that they "know" remarkably older folks who have actually been there done that seem to move the other way. hmmm most peculiar
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« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2008, 10:43:18 AM »
Yeah, being older makes you so much smarter.

The older professors at my Uni are all crazy-ass Marxists, guess I'm going to convert to worshipping Comrade Che now.
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« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2008, 05:17:18 PM »
There's a bit of a difference between old people and old professors.  And between old professors and old Israeli professors. 

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« Reply #65 on: August 18, 2008, 05:19:31 PM »
There's a bit of a difference between old people and old professors.  And between old professors and old Israeli professors. 

A valid point. I often wonder if they are people, myself. grin grin
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« Reply #66 on: August 19, 2008, 04:35:27 AM »
I think that when someone is a profound failure at life the myth that time passing magically imparts wisdom is appealing. I may be a loser, but I sure know your wrong!

Age and experience can lead to increasing maturity and wisdom, but it's hardly a forgone conclusion.
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« Reply #67 on: August 19, 2008, 06:37:32 AM »
The older professors at my Uni are all crazy-ass Marxists, guess I'm going to convert to worshipping Comrade Che now.

You said it! *hugs the Marxist*
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« Reply #68 on: August 19, 2008, 08:17:23 AM »
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Age and experience can lead to increasing maturity and wisdom, but it's hardly a forgone conclusion.

That's what you think - you young whippersnapper Tongue
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« Reply #69 on: July 06, 2011, 04:14:55 PM »
Obama has been President for two and a half years now. What benefits have these individuals reaped to their cause since he's been elected?
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« Reply #70 on: July 06, 2011, 04:47:19 PM »
Obama has been President for two and a half years now. What benefits have these individuals reaped to their cause since he's been elected?

Well....Obama has shown that it's OK to screw all Americans.....does that count?   =|
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« Reply #71 on: July 06, 2011, 05:07:49 PM »
Well....Obama has shown that it's OK to screw all Americans.....does that count?   =|

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Seriously though, it's just the usual knee-jerk affiliations that any .alt subculture has with the political Left, feeling it to be more tolerant etc. Of course neglecting the strategic thinking that perhaps supporting a smaller .gov through the Right might mean a .gov too small/busy to do anything about them even if it was "hostile" to their lifestyle.

Of course, both sides have their statists. The anti-porn moral crusaders on the Right are well matched by anti porn feminist crusaders on the Left.
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« Reply #72 on: July 06, 2011, 05:10:37 PM »
Oh,  [barf]

I enjoy sex just as much as anyone but I don't wanna see it in the friggin' street! Wait did I make a pun? Anyway  [barf]
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« Reply #73 on: July 06, 2011, 05:42:08 PM »
I see plenty of ice cream trucks around here, but no mobile sex dungeons, yet.
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Re: Swingers Stage Naked Rally for Obama Including Mobile Sex Dungeon
« Reply #74 on: July 06, 2011, 06:01:03 PM »
Wait till I tell you about erotic suspension.

No, no, not necessary.

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