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A shame for history...
« on: August 28, 2008, 04:44:26 AM »
The media is going on and on and on about Obama being the first black American to ever win the nomination of a major political party.

I think it's a terrible shame that it had to be HIM. If the first black American to win a nomination had been a highly qualified, wise statesman or woman of either party, it would have been a lot better for history.

Instead, that "first" is blown on a completely unqualified empty suit of a socialist.

I find that extremely unfortunate for the historical record.

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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2008, 04:57:34 AM »
What makes Obama so 'unqualified'?

He's  a natural-born citizen of the United States, he's 47 years old, and he's lived in America for a long while, so he fits the formal qualifications.


As for everything else, that's up to the voters to decide.
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2008, 05:01:08 AM »
Um. Because he's a junior senator who has done NOTHING but mostly vote "present" at age 47? Because he's been completely wrong on just about everything he was involved with before that, from sitting and listening to Wright for 20 years to working with William Ayers? Because instead of aiming for a colorblind election, he plays the race card at every hand? Because he's a naive socialist who still hasn't learned how the world works at his age, when most people with any sense grow out of leftism in their late 20's to early 30's, if not before that, when they realize that it's completely unworkable and actually punishes entrepreneurs and people who want to better themselves? 

It will be even worse if he's elected, because the first black president will be recorded as a failed president, instead of a successful one. That is an unfortunate first to waste that way.

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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 05:03:29 AM »
No, you see, he's a failure at politics from my point of view and yours.

From our point of view, Wilson, LBJ, and FDR were also horrid Presidents, but who listens to guys like you and me?
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 05:04:22 AM »
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He's  a natural-born citizen of the United States
And that, according to at least several sources - and the subject of a lawsuit - is being contested.

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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 06:35:17 AM »
It should also be noted that that lawsuit was not brought by a Republican or any other flavor of right-wing politics, it was brought by a Hillary supporter.
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 08:13:53 AM »
What ?   shocked   Obama is black Huh?   I never noticed that  laugh


Why is the news media so racist as to point this out ?   rolleyes
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 10:28:07 AM »
Barack Hussein Obama is only half-black . . . and there are probably campaign strategists in his camp praying that someone in the GOP mentions the word "mulatto" . . .

As for the question of his birthright citizenship . . . the GOP is staying as far away from this as they can because of the uncertainty; can you imagine questioning it and then having BHO pull a legitimate, verifiable birth certificate out of his pocket? Democrats would have a field day making commercials about how the GOP is so rabid they'd do anything, no matter how sleazy, to hold onto the Presidency, even going so far as to question a black man's citizenship.
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 12:07:51 PM »
All this time I thought Tom Beck (Morgan Freeman) was the first black president  laugh
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2008, 01:06:32 PM »
No, you see, he's a failure at politics from my point of view and yours.

From our point of view, Wilson, LBJ, and FDR were also horrid Presidents, but who listens to guys like you and me?


That's not the point at all.  Obama is simply all fluff and no substance.  But so is Hillary.  Edwards is about the same.  Neither one of them had as much experience as Kerry or Bill Clinton.  Certainly, none of them would seem as qualified (in terms of experience and accomplishments) as John McCain.  Obama was a no-name state politician who made a big speech, fell into (yes, fell into) a seat in the Senate, and immediately began running for President.  Charisma and show-biz chops (such as they are) are his only credentials.

Political views aside, this race is bizarrely lop-sided.   

All that being said, it's certainly possible that an obscure postman from Podunk, Nebraska could be a marvelous president.  But we usually want some kind of experience in our Presidents.  Otherwise, we don't really know what they will do when the pressure is on. 
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2008, 01:17:17 PM »
The media is going on and on and on about Obama being the first black American to ever win the nomination of a major political party.

I think it's a terrible shame that it had to be HIM. If the first black American to win a nomination had been a highly qualified, wise statesman or woman of either party, it would have been a lot better for history.

Instead, that "first" is blown on a completely unqualified empty suit of a socialist.

I find that extremely unfortunate for the historical record.


Absolutely.  I want the first Black President to be a credit to his race, not an embarrassment.  Sad

It would also be more fitting if the first Black president was, like most Black Americans, a descendant of Blacks who have been a vital part of this nation for hundreds of years.  Not that I have anything against recent African immigrants.  Not that I wouldn't vote for Obama if his politics made any sense. 
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2008, 01:34:07 PM »
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All that being said, it's certainly possible that an obscure postman from Podunk, Nebraska could be a marvelous president

So how about an obscure lawyer from Illinois?
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2008, 02:53:14 PM »
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All that being said, it's certainly possible that an obscure postman from Podunk, Nebraska could be a marvelous president

So how about an obscure lawyer from Illinois?

Yeah, right - we all know how well the last one turned out  angry

(I wonder if Obama likes theater ...?   grin )
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2008, 03:42:28 PM »
Barack Hussein Obama is only half-black . . . and there are probably campaign strategists in his camp praying that someone in the GOP mentions the word "mulatto" . . .

As for the question of his birthright citizenship . . . the GOP is staying as far away from this as they can because of the uncertainty; can you imagine questioning it and then having BHO pull a legitimate, verifiable birth certificate out of his pocket? Democrats would have a field day making commercials about how the GOP is so rabid they'd do anything, no matter how sleazy, to hold onto the Presidency, even going so far as to question a black man's citizenship.

sides there is no reason for the gop to bring it up  when the democrats are filing suit against their own  funny stuff
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 06:35:12 PM »
If Colin Powell had been open to running eight years ago, we wouldn't be going through this circus now.  (That's not an endorsement of C.P., by the way.)
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2008, 05:07:17 AM »
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He's  a natural-born citizen of the United States, he's 47 years old, and he's lived in America for a long while, so he fits the formal qualifications.

Obama's eligible to be President but he is in no way qualified.
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2008, 07:23:17 AM »
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2008, 07:33:21 AM »
Zeke,

She's been a kick ass and take names, no-nonsense governor.  She's had the honesty and itegrity to take on the corruption and sleaze at both the local and state level.  NRA life member, pro-life, hunts, fishes, pilot mother of 5 (including one with Down's Syndrome).  Has the track record and more experience then BHO as an executive (Mayor and Governor).

The fact that she has different plumbing makes not a whit a difference to me.   I had previously thought that her and Bobby Jindal would make an unbeatable ticket in 2012.  And they still will.
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Re: A shame for history...
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I like Jindal and I think he would make A good runnig mate for Palin in '12 but I think he can do almost as much good by continueing to try to fix Louisiana.
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2008, 12:35:43 PM »
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He's  a natural-born citizen of the United States, he's 47 years old, and he's lived in America for a long while, so he fits the formal qualifications.

Obama's eligible to be President but he is in no way qualified.

That's up to the voters to decide, in November.
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2008, 12:44:05 PM »
Well, duh. 
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2008, 02:28:25 AM »
I want the first Black President to be a credit to his race, not an embarrassment.  Sad 

Too late. According to Toni Morrison, the first Black President was Bill Clinton.  cheesy
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2008, 04:00:24 AM »
I want the first Black President to be a credit to his race, not an embarrassment.  Sad 

Too late. According to Toni Morrison, the first Black President was Bill Clinton.  cheesy

So we want our second black president to be less of an embarrassment than the first. grin
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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2008, 05:24:43 AM »
I've detected a sense of desperation in the Democrats the last few years. They lost with boring white guys who had an air of elitism about them, and who presented no substance. Now the Democrats are gleeful that they have an exciting black guy who has as an air of elitism about him, and who presents no substance.

There's a reason Democrat candidates can't run on substance: if the voters knew what their plans were, the voters would reject them.

Consider this from Norman Thomas, the 1994 Socialist candidate for POTUS:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism.  But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
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One doesn't have to examine Obama's proposals much to realize where he would take us. Consider his "tax cut for the middle class" as an example.

Roughly 2% of the population makes $250,000 or more, the figure Obama labels as "the rich." And about 12-13% of the population is below poverty level and pays no taxes.

Obama has proposed cutting taxes for the middle class, and paying for the cuts by taxing the rich. He's proposed college tax credits for the middle class. He's proposed at least a dozen if not two dozen items that would be enormously expensive, directed at the middle class, and paid for by "the rich."

How is 2% of the population going to be able to pay for handouts to 85% of the population (the middle class)? The answer is that they won't be able to. No matter how wealthy they may be, they would either have to flee the US or go broke.

Taxing businesses to pay for these programs won't work, as businesses are already being driven under. GM is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, the airlines are going broke, the housing industry is falling apart...going after businesses to raise the money for the handouts would decimate the businesses that employ the middle class.

That leaves only one other revenue source for the handouts to the middle class: the middle class. The 85% of the population receiving the free goods will fund those goods somehow.

The only possible way for those like Obama to achieve their long-term goals is to nationalize all businesses, completely redistribute income, control the labor pool ("you are going to do this job now"), and put the power of making decisions into the hands of a very few at the top. In other words, Soviet-style communism, which may indeed be the goal of Obama and his ilk, but he and they can't talk about it publicly.



 

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Re: A shame for history...
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2008, 05:41:28 AM »
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The only possible way for those like Obama to achieve their long-term goals is to nationalize all businesses, completely redistribute income, control the labor pool ("you are going to do this job now"), and put the power of making decisions into the hands of a very few at the top. In other words, Soviet-style communism, which may indeed be the goal of Obama and his ilk, but he and they can't talk about it publicly.

He needs to confiscate guns before he can do that  shocked
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