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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2008, 04:19:40 AM »
Clinton gutted the military and that is the reason we are in a lot of the trouble we are in now with all the Reserve and National Guard call ups and no equipment.

Disagree, vehemently.

Non-judicious use of current resources remains the actual problem.  (Strategically, we are just as powerful as we ever were: #1 by a wide margin.)  Scaling down a Cold War anachronism was the right call.

Afterwards, initiating a land war in Asia was the wrong one.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2008, 04:24:31 AM »
It becomes more obvious everytime you type that you have no clue how the military works.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2008, 04:34:56 AM »
McCain a right-wing radical?  Really?  Dude, what the hell have you been smoking/drinking/snorting/shooting?

I've just watched him vote as one for eight years.

It's pretty simple.

Bull.

First; President Bush doesn't have a vote in the Senate. So just who is it that McCain is voting with? That would be Republicans. But wait! Most votes in the Senate are unanimous! So that would mean that for most of those votes where McCain was voting "with Bush" you would find every Democrat voting right along with McCain. Funny we don't see that in the mainstream media. Fact is, where there is an actual contested and meaningful vote in the Senate you'll find McCain voting "with Bush" only 45% of the time.

Only a Democrat with Bush Derangement Syndrome could get his shorts in a knot over McCain voting "with Bush" on a resolution commending a basketball team. Also, if you eliminate the 9 times that Obama voted with McCain, that percentage drops to 34%.

I think you get your news from either the Huffington post, or Democratic talking points.


You want to talk about voting? Look at how Yomama votes. Just about 100% liberal.


http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

Obama voted in line with fellow Senate Democrats 97 percent of the time in 2007 and 2005, and 96 percent of the time in 2006, according to CQ.

And so . . .

So to sum up, McCain has indeed voted to support the unpopular Bush 95 percent of the time most recently, but less so in earlier years. And Obama has voted pretty close to 100 percent in line with fellow Democrats during his brief Senate career.


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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2008, 04:37:24 AM »
I like it broke just the way it is.  I don't want progressive policies or new programs.

Chris

I don't want 4-8 more years of right-wing, radical, wingnut-hawk, failed policy (home and abroad) GWB-type "leadership."

BROKEN.

So you'd rather replace it with Progressive Post-American Socialisim?
 rolleyes
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2008, 04:51:12 AM »
So you'd rather replace it with Progressive Post-American Socialisim?
 rolleyes

He's hoping for change dude.

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2008, 04:53:14 AM »

He's hoping for change dude.

Chris

Well that is all he will have left if Obama gets his tax package.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2008, 04:56:28 AM »
It becomes more obvious everytime you type that you have no clue how the military works.

You dispute that our international ability to project power (not, "invade and hold land") is the same as '92?  We can still touch anything we want to, anytime we'd like to.

What may prove difficult, for lack of materiel, is an occupation force.

I didn't realize that was our mantra.

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McCain has indeed voted to support the unpopular Bush 95 percent of the time most recently, but less so in earlier years.

That was the point: knee-jerk support of bad ideology.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2008, 05:03:30 AM »
So you'd rather replace it with Progressive Post-American Socialisim?
 rolleyes

He's hoping for change dude.

Chris
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You made me snort coffee......
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2008, 05:14:24 AM »
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You dispute that our international ability to project power (not, "invade and hold land") is the same as '92?  We can still touch anything we want to, anytime we'd like to.

Only because Bush and Co. restarted some of the programs that Clinton and Co. hacked.

Do you think we would have the B-2, F-22 and all the new subs and ships if Clinton or one of his clones were in the White House?
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2008, 05:34:15 AM »
Sigh....It is always so amusing to watch the certitude of young people who were not around when stuff happened.  They only know what they read and hear, and only read what they want to see and hear what they want to hear.

The Federalist System was intended to be a weak overarching system that kept states from being at one another's throats so that the union of states would be beneficial to all, especially smaller states.  The Constitution limited the Federal government.  Gridlock was the intent of the Founders.  Individual prosperity and liberty only happens when the federal government stands out of the way.  That's what checks and balances are all about.  It's too bad they don't teach the Constitution in the schools; starting in grade 5 and continuing through grade 12.  It's a pretty obvious oversight.

The BoR was laid out as a reminder of the limiting intent of the Constitution.  Ie: if you don't understand the limits of the document, here are a few reminders, spelled out clearly about SOME of the limits.  In fact if the document doesn't say it can, then it can't.

Unfortunately, citizens stopped being intimately involved in the process of maintaining the Republic and the warning given by one of the founders, "We have given you a Republic, madam, if you can keep it" was not heeded, especially now.

Obama and his ilk are a greater danger to our Republic than anything we have faced before.  He's the smiling benevolent dictator all you statists have been anxiously waiting for.  Be careful what you ask for, you are likely to get it.  The Republicans are not much better.

But let me put it to you simply.  I would rather deal with the robber barons than a strong national government.  I can avoid the robber baron if I choose, with no other danger than inconvenience.  If I avoid the government, they will come with guns, take away my goods, property and throw me under a jail.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2008, 06:11:02 AM »
"Sigh....It is always so amusing to watch the certitude of young people who were not around when stuff happened."

So, you're saying you were around when the Constitution was drafted and adopted?

Wow.

You look so young...
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2008, 06:50:16 AM »
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You dispute that our international ability to project power (not, "invade and hold land") is the same as '92?  We can still touch anything we want to, anytime we'd like to.

Only because Bush and Co. restarted some of the programs that Clinton and Co. hacked.

Do you think we would have the B-2, F-22 and all the new subs and ships if Clinton or one of his clones were in the White House?

I see your point.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2008, 07:03:22 AM »
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You dispute that our international ability to project power (not, "invade and hold land") is the same as '92?  We can still touch anything we want to, anytime we'd like to.

Only because Bush and Co. restarted some of the programs that Clinton and Co. hacked.

Do you think we would have the B-2, F-22 and all the new subs and ships if Clinton or one of his clones were in the White House?

I was just poking about stuff in Portsmouth about the recent launch of the Virginia-class USS New Hampshire, a brand-new nuclear attack sub. She's to be commissioned in the shipyard here in October, I'm trying to find a way to go see that. (I'd previously attended the commissioning of the missile cruiser USS Leyte Gulf as a kid, through a middle school trip.)

That would never have been done during Clinton's terms, a new fast attack sub like this one. Contract was awarded in 2003, she's ready to go now, $54 million dollars under budget and eight months early.

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2008, 08:00:13 AM »
Sigh....It is always so amusing to watch the certitude of young people who were not around when stuff happened.  They only know what they read and hear, and only read what they want to see and hear what they want to hear.

The Federalist System was intended to be a weak overarching system that kept states from being at one another's throats so that the union of states would be beneficial to all, especially smaller states.  The Constitution limited the Federal government.  Gridlock was the intent of the Founders.  Individual prosperity and liberty only happens when the federal government stands out of the way.  That's what checks and balances are all about.  It's too bad they don't teach the Constitution in the schools; starting in grade 5 and continuing through grade 12.  It's a pretty obvious oversight.

The BoR was laid out as a reminder of the limiting intent of the Constitution.  Ie: if you don't understand the limits of the document, here are a few reminders, spelled out clearly about SOME of the limits.  In fact if the document doesn't say it can, then it can't.

Unfortunately, citizens stopped being intimately involved in the process of maintaining the Republic and the warning given by one of the founders, "We have given you a Republic, madam, if you can keep it" was not heeded, especially now.

Obama and his ilk are a greater danger to our Republic than anything we have faced before.  He's the smiling benevolent dictator all you statists have been anxiously waiting for.  Be careful what you ask for, you are likely to get it.  The Republicans are not much better.

But let me put it to you simply.  I would rather deal with the robber barons than a strong national government.  I can avoid the robber baron if I choose, with no other danger than inconvenience.  If I avoid the government, they will come with guns, take away my goods, property and throw me under a jail.

I think that's a good summary of the U.S. Constitution. I only disagree with the last paragraph in the sense that, in my opinion, the 'robber barons' and 'strong national government' are now the same. There's not really a choice for me there.