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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2008, 09:09:38 AM »
What was that saying about old age & treachery vs youth & enthusiasm?

McCain may be a RINO, but he is no knucklehead.
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2008, 10:52:11 AM »
McCain made a genius move.....he goes back to DC to do "the nation's business" in a "crisis" and leaves Palin (the one everyone REALLY wants to see) to do his campaigning. Obama is put in a pickle of choosing to attend a debate alone while McCain is seen dealing with the "crisis" or leaving his campaign in the hands of his VP candidate (whoever that guy is)....who'll be trounced by Palin, anyway....

Beware the old dog in the fight.....he didn't get old by being stupid....
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2008, 11:08:29 AM »
It seems that McCain's plan worked to some extent.  Earlier this week, the Dems declared the bailout as essentially being dead on arrival.  After McCain and Bush made their stands, the Dems have agreed to it.  Perhaps they were concerned that with Obama being called back to Washington anyway, they were losing the initiative and he wasn't looking presidential enough.


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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2008, 11:09:20 AM »
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It seems that McCain's plan worked to some extent.  Earlier this week, the Dems declared the bailout as essentially being dead on arrival.  After McCain and Bush made their stands, the Dems have agreed to it.

...this is now McCain's lasting achievement?
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2008, 11:11:43 AM »
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It seems that McCain's plan worked to some extent.  Earlier this week, the Dems declared the bailout as essentially being dead on arrival.  After McCain and Bush made their stands, the Dems have agreed to it.

...this is now McCain's lasting achievement?

Well, he was gonna need one sometime before the election....  rolleyes
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2008, 11:16:50 AM »
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It seems that McCain's plan worked to some extent.  Earlier this week, the Dems declared the bailout as essentially being dead on arrival.  After McCain and Bush made their stands, the Dems have agreed to it.

...this is now McCain's lasting achievement?

Well, he was gonna need one sometime before the election....  rolleyes

So now we're in the Bizarro universe or something?

Democrats oppose huge government projects, Republicans stubbornly ram them through?

Wha?
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2008, 11:28:47 AM »
And now gallup has them tied... maybe McCain's plan is working?  I hope so...

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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2008, 11:32:37 AM »
And now gallup has them tied... maybe McCain's plan is working?  I hope so...

Gallup's poll is a rolling average over the period 22nd to 24th.
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2008, 11:38:38 AM »
So now we're in the Bizarro universe or something?

Democrats oppose huge government projects, Republicans stubbornly ram them through?

Wha?

We've been in a Bizarro universe for a while.  The Dems blocked increased regulation of Fannie and Freddie in 2005, Schumer called for decreased regulation in 2006, and Barney Frank wanted to increase Fannie and Freddie's ability to buy mortgage backed securities in February of 2008.  Yet, everything is the Republicans fault.  I'd call that bizarre and counterintuitive, but it's just politics and the media operating as normal.

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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2008, 11:43:35 AM »
And now gallup has them tied... maybe McCain's plan is working?  I hope so...

Gallup's poll is a rolling average over the period 22nd to 24th.

Thats actually better for McCain than it sounds, surely? - since the weekend there has been almost universal derision from the media because of Obama's "better handling" of the economy, via the Rick Davis non-story in the NYT, and culminating with widespread derision towards the suspension of the campaign.  He should be in the toilet, according to the mainstream view - but isnt.  
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2008, 11:55:26 AM »
So now we're in the Bizarro universe or something?

Democrats oppose huge government projects, Republicans stubbornly ram them through?

Wha?

We've been in a Bizarro universe for a while.  The Dems blocked increased regulation of Fannie and Freddie in 2005, Schumer called for decreased regulation in 2006, and Barney Frank wanted to increase Fannie and Freddie's ability to buy mortgage backed securities in February of 2008.  Yet, everything is the Republicans fault.  I'd call that bizarre and counterintuitive, but it's just politics and the media operating as normal.

...wait, nothing about the fact McCain supports this plan gives you pause?
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2008, 12:10:34 PM »
So now we're in the Bizarro universe or something?

Democrats oppose huge government projects, Republicans stubbornly ram them through?

Wha?

We've been in a Bizarro universe for a while.  The Dems blocked increased regulation of Fannie and Freddie in 2005, Schumer called for decreased regulation in 2006, and Barney Frank wanted to increase Fannie and Freddie's ability to buy mortgage backed securities in February of 2008.  Yet, everything is the Republicans fault.  I'd call that bizarre and counterintuitive, but it's just politics and the media operating as normal.

...wait, nothing about the fact McCain supports this plan gives you pause?


Except he's stated that he wants more oversight than Bush is calling for....better he get that part in instead of being targeted as a "do-nothing" candidate by the MSM...
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2008, 12:26:36 PM »
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Pelosi & the Dems are likely FOR some sort of bailout.

The majority of Republicans are AGAINST a bailout.  The skinny is that Pelosi will only go along with a bailout if she can get 100+ Repubs to vote for it.  As of now, they only have ~50 Repubs on board.

FTR, I am against most of the floated bailout terms, but some are less bad than others..
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2008, 05:33:57 PM »
The supposedly "done deal" has apparently fallen apart after last minute bickering.  Many stories reporting this. 
The Republicans are being blamed.

Here is page one of MSN's take on the story:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26884523/?GT1=43001

Bailout talks break down
Negotiations to resume Friday morning after Republican revolt stalls efforts

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WASHINGTON - A Republican revolt stalled urgent efforts to lash together a national economic rescue plan Thursday, a chaotic turnaround on a day that had seemed headed for a success that President Bush, both political parties and their presidential candidates could celebrate at an extraordinary White House meeting.

Weary congressional negotiators worked into the night, joined by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson in an effort to revive or rework the $700 billion proposal that President Bush said must be quickly approved by Congress to stave off potentially "a long and deep recession."

They gave up after 10 p.m. EDT, more than an hour after the lone House Republican involved, Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, left the room. Democrats blamed the House Republicans for the apparent stalemate. Those conservatives have complained that the plan would be too costly for taxpayers and would be an unacceptable federal intrusion into private business.

Talks were to resume Friday morning on the effort to bail out failing financial institutions and restart the flow of credit that has begun to starve the national economy.

White House meeting
The days earlier apparent breakthrough, announced with fanfare at midday, was followed by a White House summit bringing together President Bush, presidential contenders John McCain and Barack Obama, and top congressional leaders. But that meeting, aimed at showing unity in resolving a national financial crisis, broke up with conflicts in plain view.

Inside the session, House Republican leader John Boehner expressed misgivings about the emerging plan and McCain would not commit to supporting it, said people from both parties who were briefed on the exchange. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the session was private.

The earlier agreement by key members of Congress from both parties  but not top leaders  would have given the Bush administration just a fraction of the money it wanted up front, subjecting half the $700 billion total to a congressional veto.

But conservatives were still in revolt, balking at the astonishing price tag of the proposal and the hand of government that it would place on private markets.

Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee, emerged from the White House meeting to say the announced agreement is obviously no agreement.

One group of House GOP lawmakers circulated an alternative that would put much less focus on a government takeover of failing institutions sour assets. This proposal would have the government provide insurance to companies that agree to hold frozen assets, rather than have the U.S. purchase the assets.

Rep Eric Cantor, R-Va., said the idea would be to remove the burden of the bailout from taxpayers and place it, over time, on Wall Street instead. The price tag of the administrations plan to bail out tottering financial institutions  and the federal intrusion into private business matters  have been major sticking points for many Republican lawmakers.
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2008, 06:32:30 PM »
Bizarro?

No, McCain is opposing Big Gov and Big Biz.   Old-boy Gov and Old-Boy Biz.   He's going for the Silent American who can't stand either.  I think he's right.
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2008, 06:38:32 PM »
Bizarro?

No, McCain is opposing Big Gov and Big Biz.   Old-boy Gov and Old-Boy Biz.   He's going for the Silent American who can't stand either.  I think he's right.

He's opposing Big Government and Big Business by supporting a measure by which Big Government gives Big Business 800 billion dollars?

How do you SUPPORT Big Government then?
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2008, 07:34:40 PM »
Inside the session, House Republican leader John Boehner expressed misgivings about the emerging plan and McCain would not commit to supporting it, said people from both parties who were briefed on the exchange. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the session was private.
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2008, 04:08:29 AM »
Inside the session, House Republican leader John Boehner expressed misgivings about the emerging plan and McCain would not commit to supporting it, said people from both parties who were briefed on the exchange. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the session was private.

Well, that seems cool. If this is true, I will, I suppose, have to apologize to the other posters in this thread.
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2008, 04:59:21 AM »
Inside the session, House Republican leader John Boehner expressed misgivings about the emerging plan and McCain would not commit to supporting it, said people from both parties who were briefed on the exchange. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the session was private.

Well, that seems cool. If this is true, I will, I suppose, have to apologize to the other posters in this thread.

Yeah, who knows what the hell is actually going on. I read one report that says McCain and House Republicans are blocking the deal; the next describes how the McCain campaign is scrambling to get a plan pushed through.

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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2008, 06:19:29 AM »
Inside the session, House Republican leader John Boehner expressed misgivings about the emerging plan and McCain would not commit to supporting it, said people from both parties who were briefed on the exchange. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the session was private.

Well, that seems cool. If this is true, I will, I suppose, have to apologize to the other posters in this thread.

Yeah, who knows what the hell is actually going on. I read one report that says McCain and House Republicans are blocking the deal; the next describes how the McCain campaign is scrambling to get a plan pushed through.

Thats still less than the Dems blaming him in the same day for blocking the plan, then blaming him for not actually saying anything at the meeting, then saying his presence in Washington was not helpful, then demanding that he push Republicans along with the bill. 

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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2008, 06:27:39 AM »
Fox reporting McCain will be attending the debate, is resuming campaigning and bemoaning the fact that partisanship took over.  (edit) They state he will return after the debate, and (most interestingly) that "all the GOP factions" accept that the House Repub proposal around insurance will be part of their argument.

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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2008, 07:21:03 AM »
Fox and NRO also reporting that 20% of the proceeds of this bill would have gone not to the taxpayer but to "Community Organizations". 

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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2008, 07:27:30 AM »
Fox and NRO also reporting that 20% of the proceeds of this bill would have gone not to the taxpayer but to "Community Organizations". 

 rolleyes

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTNlZDMwODViMjM1NjY2YWRmMjVkOWZjZmNhNWY1NGQ=

Like Obama's organization? The one with William Ayers?

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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2008, 07:46:07 AM »
Fox and NRO also reporting that 20% of the proceeds of this bill would have gone not to the taxpayer but to "Community Organizations". 

 rolleyes

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTNlZDMwODViMjM1NjY2YWRmMjVkOWZjZmNhNWY1NGQ=

Like Obama's organization? The one with William Ayers?

more info = http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/26/the-democratic-acorn-bailout/

apologies - I said proceeds when the truth was it was the profits from the proposed bailout.
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Re: McCain suspends campaign, returns to Washington
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2008, 08:20:00 AM »
Aren't acorns nuts?