NRA's Inaccurate Statements about Obama

[DaveBeal]

If that wasn't a drive by, I don't know what is.

Just because I don't quibble with every detail of your rebuttals doesn't mean I'm not reading them.  I don't think turning the thread into a p***ing contest serves much of a purpose.

Guys, all I did was follow the NRA's own references on its website and note that in some cases, they don't support the NRA's categorical statements.  My guess is that the NRA figures that people will see the footnotes on its webpage and say "Well, it's documented, so it must be true" without actually following the links.

And for what it's worth, I'm just a shooter who is likely to vote for Obama.  I have no association with his campaign.  I'm even a member of the NRA although I'm not likely to renew next year, because of the misrepresentations I've noted.  I'm new to APS, but I've been reading and posting on THR for about a year.

[Pb]

Here's proof of Obama's support for the DC's gun laws:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wu9jE1MnAE

Keep in mind that Obama refused to sign of congress' statement of support for overturning the laws.  McCain did sign.

Keep in mind the DC's law were a total ban on self-defense with a gun in any way, shape or form.  If you were being stabbed to death by an intruder in your house, it would have been illegal for you to crawl over to your gun safe, unlock it, and re-assemble your shotgun for use in self-defense.

Obama supported this BS.  I cannot believe you are taken in by this man.  Watch the video I linked.

[Manedwolf]

And for what it's worth, I'm just a shooter who is likely to vote for Obama. 

What do you shoot? What kind of gun?

Maybe you'd prefer CNN's election center factfinding, since they're in the bag for Obama?

Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html

[Pb]

Oh, and McCain voted against the AWB two times.  He still opposes it.

Obama's old website supported banning all semi-automatic guns, as well as a federal ban on CCW.  I saw it myself.  He's had those positions removed from his website.

What has Obama ever done that was pro-second ammendment?  Tell us that please!

[DaveBeal]

And for what it's worth, I'm just a shooter who is likely to vote for Obama.

What do you shoot? What kind of gun?

Mainly a S&W Model 41 and a Beretta 92FS.  Why do you ask?

Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing.

I never claimed that Obama is against an AWB.  And thank you for confirming that the amendment he voted for targeted rifle ammunition only if it was intended to be armor-piercing.

[Manedwolf]

And for what it's worth, I'm just a shooter who is likely to vote for Obama.

What do you shoot? What kind of gun?

Mainly a S&W Model 41 and a Beretta 92FS.  Why do you ask?

Because Obama has SAID that he would ban both. All semiautos.

I never claimed that Obama is against an AWB.  And thank you for confirming that the amendment he voted for targeted rifle ammunition only if it was intended to be armor-piercing.

ALL RIFLE AMMO IS ARMOR-PIERCING. A generic 30-06 ball will defeat police armor!

And just to confirm...you're okay with an AWB? That's what it sounds like.

He's not just not "against" it, he is FOR it. He WANTS one to be permanent. Don't muddle words. I'm sick of Democrats twisting words like that.

[MicroBalrog]

I never claimed that Obama is against an AWB.  And thank you for confirming that the amendment he voted for targeted rifle ammunition only if it was intended to be armor-piercing.

And for an amendment that would ban all ammo that can fit in a pistol and pierce body armor.

[DaveBeal]

ALL RIFLE AMMO IS ARMOR-PIERCING. A generic 30-06 ball will defeat police armor!

Why do you guys keep ignoring the phrase "designed or marketed as having armor piercing capability" in the amendment for which Obama voted?  Just being capable of piercing armor wasn't sufficient for rifle ammunition to be banned.

And just to confirm...you're okay with an AWB? That's what it sounds like.

I think there are more important issues facing our country.  I don't get to build my own candidate by selecting one option on each possible issue.  I only get to choose between two viable alternatives.

And for an amendment that would ban all ammo that can fit in a pistol and pierce body armor.

True, but that's not the part of the amendment that the NRA attacked.

[Manedwolf]

And just to confirm...you're okay with an AWB? That's what it sounds like.

I think there are more important issues facing our country.

Okay, now I think you're an Obama campaign worker.

That's a quacking Dem question-duck if I've ever seen one.

Quit ducking. Are you okay with an AWB? YES OR NO.

[wmenorr67]

I think there are more important issues facing our country.

True and letting me decide how to spend my own hard earned money is one of those.

[Balog]

What issues do you feel are more pressing than keeping the 2A? And why do you feel Obama would be better?

[DaveBeal]

Quit ducking. Are you okay with an AWB? YES OR NO.

A new AWB wouldn't bother me.

But the topic under discussion is the accuracy of the NRA's statements about Obama, not my political opinions.

[wmenorr67]

Quit ducking. Are you okay with an AWB? YES OR NO.

A new AWB wouldn't bother me.

How so?

[Manedwolf]

Quit ducking. Are you okay with an AWB? YES OR NO.

A new AWB wouldn't bother me.

But the topic under discussion is the accuracy of the NRA's statements about Obama, not my political opinions.

No, it IS relevant.

Because you just invalidated your political opinions by saying that.

Take your thousand dollar target pistol and go sit with the rest of the old FUDDs down at the BS sporting goods store.

FUDD. You're worse than antis. You do more damage than they ever could because you rot the meaning of the 2A from within.

Just wait till they come for your guns. You won't get any help from those of us who wanted to keep our ARs and AKs. 

[Balog]

Quit ducking. Are you okay with an AWB? YES OR NO.

A new AWB wouldn't bother me.

But the topic under discussion is the accuracy of the NRA's statements about Obama, not my political opinions.

The source's bias is important. An article from HuffPo or World Net Daily would be viewed much more sceptically because of the serious bias of the source. Someone who claims to give a *expletive deleted*it about the 2nd but obviously doesn't is also a source of scepticism.

[DaveBeal]

When I don't respond to your rebuttals, you call it a drive-by.  When I do, we get completely off topic.

Anybody wanna discuss the NRA website?

[Manedwolf]

Anybody wanna discuss the NRA website?

No. Why do you care? You don't stand for what they stand for anyway.

You don't even understand what the second amendment is for.

[Balog]

Anybody wanna discuss the NRA website?

Some of the claims are phrased poorly. Your attempts to twist the "armor piercing" thing are amusing in their yoga master levels of contortion.

Thread drift is a way of life here. Deal with it or leave.

So why are you ok with an AWB? And what problems do you think are so pressing, and how will Obama fix them?

[hoosier8]

Here is a collection of Obama's position statements.

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

[Perd Hapley]

Anybody wanna discuss the NRA website?

No.

Me either.  I'd rather discuss your opposition to my basic rights. 

[MicroBalrog]

Quit ducking. Are you okay with an AWB? YES OR NO.

A new AWB wouldn't bother me.

But the topic under discussion is the accuracy of the NRA's statements about Obama, not my political opinions.

The NRA is not running for elected office. Obama is.

Obama would support a new AWB. Most of the posters here are not fine with any new gun laws. Some of us think gun laws in America are too strict.

Why would we support Obama?

[MicroBalrog]

True, but that's not the part of the amendment that the NRA attacked.

.30-30 can fit in a pistol and will pierce body armor. It will be banned under that part.

[Manedwolf]

True, but that's not the part of the amendment that the NRA attacked.

.30-30 can fit in a pistol and will pierce body armor. It will be banned under that part.

So can anything that can fit in an HK 91/93 clone, AK pistol, or Contender. That's, oh, right...everything.

[MicroBalrog]

True, but that's not the part of the amendment that the NRA attacked.

.30-30 can fit in a pistol and will pierce body armor. It will be banned under that part.

So can anything that can fit in an HK 91/93 clone, AK pistol, or Contender. That's, oh, right...everything.

But being as this is a .50 BMG, the most powerful rifle round in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?

[DaveBeal]

Here is a collection of Obama's position statements.

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

Thanks for posting this, hoosier.