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Far right seeks boost in Austrian poll
« on: September 26, 2008, 04:52:12 AM »
 Far right seeks boost in Austrian poll

Bethany Bell
BBC News, Vienna

Austria's far right is hoping an early general election on Sunday will be an opportunity to gain ground.

The elections were called after the fractious coalition between the Social Democrats and the conservative People's Party fell apart after just a year and a half in power.

Disenchantment with the centre left and centre right is likely to give a boost to the two parties of the far right: the Freedom Party led by Heinz-Christian Strache; and the Alliance for the Future of Austria, led by Joerg Haider.

Recent polls suggest that the two parties could capture around a quarter of the vote between them, with 17-19% for the Freedom Party and up to 8% for the Alliance.

That would be the best result for the far right in Austria since 2000, when the Freedom Party, then led by Mr Haider, won 28% and gained a place in the coalition government with the conservatives.

The move sparked outrage across Europe and for several months Austria was placed under EU sanctions.

The Freedom Party remained in coalition with the conservatives for several years. But it was weakened by a power struggle, which led to Joerg Haider breaking away to form the Alliance in 2005.

Populist appeal

The Alliance remained in government while the Freedom Party went into opposition. It began to regain some of its populist appeal under the new leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, with his anti-immigration and anti-EU rhetoric.

However it is not yet clear whether either of the far-right parties will be part of the new government.

The Social Democrats, under their new leader Werner Faymann, have a narrow lead in the polls, with 28-29% - two or three points ahead of the conservative People's Party, led by Wilhelm Molterer.

Together they could form a comfortable majority.

But many Austrians say they are fed up with the idea of another grand coalition, a view perhaps shared by a number of politicians from the Social Democrats and the People's Party.

Mr Faymann has said he is not prepared to do deals with the far right. Mr Molterer has said he does not rule anyone out, but has suggested that a party with anti-EU tendencies - such as the Freedom Party - would not be a suitable partner.

An alternative would be a three-party coalition, unprecedented in post-war Austria, involving one of the two largest parties, the Greens, who stand at about 11% in the polls, and one of the other smaller parties hoping to enter parliament.

However such a coalition would likely have a slim majority as well as suffering from inexperience and instability.

Coalition talks are likely to be long and difficult.

Historic teenage vote

Adding to the uncertainty is the fact that 16 and 17-year-olds will be allowed to vote in a general election for the first time. Austria is the first European Union country to have lowered the voting age from 18 to 16.

Around 200,000 young people will be eligible to vote on Sunday. They are just a small fraction of the voting population of over six million and analysts do not believe their vote will be pivotal.

Supporters of the move argue that 16 year olds are allowed to drink wine and have sex, and so ought to be allowed the vote as well.

Others are less certain, pointing to a recent study which suggests that many young people know little about the political parties in Austria compared to their elders.

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Published: 2008/09/26 09:42:34 GMT

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The reason I find this interesting is that 16-year-olds will be voting. I always thought lowering the voting age was a pipe dream.
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Re: Far right seeks boost in Austrian poll
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2008, 07:42:12 AM »
That would be the best result for the far right in Austria since 2000, when the Freedom Party, then led by Mr Haider, won 28% and gained a place in the coalition government with the conservatives.

The move sparked outrage across Europe and for several months Austria was placed under EU sanctions.
I remember reading a little about this at the time . . . if voters don't toe the line and vote for who they're SUPPOSED to vote for, I guess EU bureaucrats can punish them . . . can we say "tyranny" children?
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Re: Far right seeks boost in Austrian poll
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 04:54:34 PM »
HankB beat me to it. Why is the EU sanctioning one of their member states over the votes of that states populace?
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It began to regain some of its populist appeal under the new leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, with his anti-immigration and anti-EU rhetoric.
Sounds good to me. I guess the Emperor(EU) doesn't like someone pointing out the fact that their policies are useless.
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Re: Far right seeks boost in Austrian poll
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 05:07:14 PM »
Far right seeks boost in Austrian poll


Adding to the uncertainty is the fact that 16 and 17-year-olds will be allowed to vote in a general election for the first time. Austria is the first European Union country to have lowered the voting age from 18 to 16.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7637224.stm

Published: 2008/09/26 09:42:34 GMT

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The reason I find this interesting is that 16-year-olds will be voting. I always thought lowering the voting age was a pipe dream.

Letting High-schoolers vote is a bad idea, no matter what continent they reside.

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Re: Far right seeks boost in Austrian poll
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2008, 12:38:20 AM »


Letting High-schoolers vote is a bad idea, no matter what continent they reside.

Mostly because of the influence of public schooling on their minds, yes. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2008, 09:15:35 AM »
That kind of move in voting age is certainly pushed by the left. The younger people are more likely to vote with a liberal candidate. Younger people's thinking is much less dictated by realism and much more so by idealism. We are all taught idealistic lessons when we are young and move to more realistic issues and lessons as we get older, because they are often much more complicated.

At 16, I can't imagine the majority of the population would have a grasp on most issues that are relevant to our nation's health. With that said, I am sure there are very mature 16 year olds that are up to date and understand what is going on. Actually, I would say they are almost all capable of understanding, they just aren't concerned with it enough to learn about it. Unfortunately there is a large part of the population at large that are not concerned enough with the world to understand it and how we fit in as a nation.

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Re: Far right seeks boost in Austrian poll
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2008, 08:47:14 PM »
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We are all taught idealistic lessons when we are young and move to more realistic issues and lessons as we get older, because they are often much more complicated.

I don't see why one can't be idealistic about wanting to cut taxes, free up the economy, and protect property rights.

The creedal heritage of American conservatism (low taxes, Constitution, etc.) and its Burkian heritage are fully separable.
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Re: Far right seeks boost in Austrian poll
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2008, 03:59:51 AM »
The beginnings of "Lord of the flies" on a continental scale. Amazing absolutely amazing.

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2008, 08:03:16 PM »
The beginnings of "Lord of the flies" on a continental scale. Amazing absolutely amazing.


You should read "Tunnel in the Sky" if you liked that book.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2008, 08:09:22 PM »
 Far-right gains in Austria vote

Austria's Social Democrats won the most votes in the country's early election but far-right parties made significant gains, the interior ministry has said.

Preliminary official results from Sunday's poll show Social Democrats with 29.7% of the vote.

But the country's two far-right parties made large gains, winning a total vote share of 29% between them.

The BBC's Bethany Bell in Vienna said that rise in support is the result of protest votes on a variety of issues.

Our correspondent said the resurgent far right can be attributed to a mixture of anti-European Union sentiment, some anti-immigrant positions and a general sense of discontent with the two traditional centrist parties.

The conservative People's Party, which had been in a faltering coalition with the Social Democrats that collapsed after 18 months, won 25.6%.

Young voters

Interior Minister Maria Fekter said the far-right Freedom Party had won 18.01% of the vote and the Alliance for the Future of Austria had 10.98%.

   
AUSTRIA FACTS
Population: 8.3m
Electorate: 6.3m
Over 16-year-old voters: 200,000
National Council seats: 183

Our correspondent described the far-right gains as a "slap in the face" to the centrist parties, which suffered their worse results since World War II.

Final results will not be released until 6 October after absentee and postal ballots, making up about 10% of the votes, are counted.

For the first time in an EU country, 16 and 17-year-olds were able to vote. This bloc represented about 200,000 of the 6.3 million-strong electorate.

Elections were last held in October 2006. It took a further six months for the government to form a cabinet.

The far-right showing was its strongest since 2000, when the Freedom Party won 28% and gained a place in the coalition government with the conservatives.

That development sparked outrage across Europe and for several months Austria was placed under EU sanctions.

Analysts say the far right could now re-enter government but only after all other options are exhausted.

These include another grand coalition - an option most Austrians oppose - or pacts with the Greens or the two other smaller parties.

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Re: Far right seeks boost in Austrian poll
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2008, 01:29:22 PM »
The beginnings of "Lord of the flies" on a continental scale. Amazing absolutely amazing.


You should read "Tunnel in the Sky" if you liked that book.

Thank you, I am always on the look out for a good book.

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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2008, 02:05:05 AM »
The beginnings of "Lord of the flies" on a continental scale. Amazing absolutely amazing.


You should read "Tunnel in the Sky" if you liked that book.

Thank you, I am always on the look out for a good book.

Jim

The reason I recommend it is because it is a sort of a LotF in reverse. A complementary insight into human nature, if you will.
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