McCain and Obama Both Vote "Yes" On Bailout

[AZRedhawk44]

So, someone remind me of how McCain isn't a liberal in republican's sheep's clothing?

He lost my vote.  I was going to hold my nose and vote for him, but now... no way.

If Obama wins... I have my guns.

If McCain wins... I have my guns.

If I LOSE BY FAILING TO VOTE FOR A NON-SOCIALIST, I don't deserve my guns.

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[longeyes]

McCain's the older white one, right?

I think McCain has lost his way, perhaps irreparably.  If he doesn't come out like a lion for the next debate and make clear why Americans have to vote for HIM and HIM ONLY, he can kiss this Election goodbye.

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You think you'll have your guns if Obama's elected?  Interesting.  Heller prevailed 5-4.  I'll wager you you'll see a de facto repeal of the Second Amendment, as we understand it, within four years if Obama's elected.  You have to realize that disarming the American citizenry is a major priority of the Left, along with muzzling dissident conservative voices through the "Fairness Doctrine."

[MicroBalrog]

So what's the point of electing a Republican PResident?

[longeyes]

Well, there it is.  The party doesn't matter; the label doesn't matter.  What matters is whether they support the Constitution, free enterprise, America's destiny.

I think McCain's basically a liberal, just as Bush is.  Therein lies our problem.  Whether there are enough Americans left who believe in what the country has traditionally stood for is the real issue.  I personally don't think there are.  I think demographic trends are skewed against us and will get worse.  We have lost too many of the younger generation.  We have a lot of people voting who haven't a clue about the issues. 

Draw your own conclusions.

[Leatherneck]

I think McCain, with the nomination of Sarahcuda for VP, showed a glimmer of "getting it." But by that time, they were both in the grasp of GOP party "handlers" who proceeded to torpedo the candidates multiple times, possibly now into oblivion.

TC

[The Annoyed Man]

So what's the point of electing a Republican PResident?

We [might] get to keep our guns.

Of course, there won't be much left to defend with them. 

[Intune]

We have lost our Republic.  Our masters have spoken.  This POS bill with all the lard added will now look great to the House & will be passed.  Those of you in houses you couldn't afford and driving new cars, please enjoy them while you can.  Luxuriate in the bread and the circus 'til the cards come tumbling down.  Plant a garden.  Cling to your guns & religion, you will need both.  Plant a garden serf.  The Republic is dead.

[Manedwolf]

If Obama wins... I have my guns.

No you won't. Not for long, anyway.

I would still rather have a third-rate fireman than a first-rate arsonist.

[Intune]

I would still rather have a third-rate fireman than a first-rate arsonist.

That Sir, is worthy of a standing cyber ovation!  Well said.

[ronnyreagan]

What it really comes down to is whether or not you find it acceptable to vote for the "lesser of two evils." Some people think the difference is too great, and allowing the greater evil to win would be too much for this country to survive (intact). I personally don't think so. I cannot vote for McCain because that would be a signal to the Republican party that this is ok, that he represents my ideals and I support him. I'm no more worried about an Obama presidency than McCain (however, a Palin presidency terrifies me ) and just because Obama is slightly worse, doesn't mean I'll vote for whoever he's against.

The two party system continues because people allow it too, because they get scared into voting for the guy who's not quite as bad.  The scare tactics of "He'll take your guns and socialize everything" is what got us the last eight years, and I've had a enough. Does anyone really believe that the democratic nominee is really the "the most liberal gun grabbing communist of all time" EVERY SINGLE ELECTION? The GOP has lost it's way and it will not return to it's roots if you keep rewarding it's failures.

[Manedwolf]

The two party system continues because people allow it too, because they get scared into voting for the guy who's not quite as bad.  The scare tactics of "He'll take your guns and socialize everything" is what got us the last eight years, and I've had a enough. Does anyone really believe that the democratic nominee is really the "the most liberal gun grabbing communist of all time" EVERY SINGLE ELECTION? The GOP has lost it's way and it will not return to it's roots if you keep rewarding it's failures.

Everytime? No. This time? HELL YES.

Obama's first mentor was an infamous communist party member. His friend is an unapologetic leftist terrorist. He's heavily funded by Soros. His "experience" is as a "community organizer" trying to find ways to get more food stamps and entitlements out of the government. And he has said he favors a ban on all semiautomatic weapons and a national ban on concealed carry for all but cops and military.

He IS a communist. It's not crying wolf, this time.

[MicroBalrog]

It's not crying wolf, this time.

Do you remember how that story ends, Maned?

The boy gets  eaten.

[agricola]

McCain did definately drop the ball here.  He could have come out and raged against the nonsensical loading of the bill with absurd pork, about how it demonstrated more than any other piece of legislation exactly what is wrong with the system, hell he could have even picked up all five pounds of it and thrown it at Dodd's head if he wanted to deliver a dramatic non-verbal message.  He could still have supported it while demonstrating how much Dodd et al were taking the mickey, but instead he did nothing and voted.  Even Obama was able to recycle his stump speech.

I did think McCain would win up until the last couple of days, but his inaction this past week has been hugely detrimental to his campaign.

[Manedwolf]

My predictions for this bailout, longterm:

Goldman-Sachs becomes even more powerful than before, now that they've been able to get rid of $20 billion in losses due to exposure to AIG and get a bigger stake in things seized and sold for pennies on the dollar. In addition, their competitors such as Lehman have all but been destroyed.

Paulson retires, and is promptly re-hired by Goldman-Sachs. Nobody does a thing about it.

They'll write songs about the biggest con job in US history, someday.

[longeyes]

Goldman Sachs will be a subsidiary of MS-13 within ten years.

Who cares?

Cultivate your garden.

[coppertales]

I am disappointed in Mccain and my senator for voting for this "let no banker be left behind" bill.  At least my congressman still is against it, I hope for the duration......chris3

[LAK]

I think McCain has lost his way, perhaps irreparably

McCain is just another member of the status quo brigade - the people that have been fleecing us for many decades and brought this upon us to begin with. That's where his bread is buttered and he knows it good and well.

His position on this bailout robbery does not surprize me at all.

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[longeyes]

If there is a salvific element in the GOP it will come from Palin, Jindal, and others, not from the old boys who have gamed the system for decades.

Whether McCain is or isn't a "maverick" isn't the issue, it's that on the things that matter, at least to me, his instincts are either wrong, off-center, or outright naive.  The bills he has co-authored in recent years identify him, and every one of them is misbegotten and deeply dangerous to the Republic.

That said, we have no choice but to hope he wins and can be steered in a better direction.  The alternative is a Chicago brownshirt.

[C.latrans]

Kind of shows you where we stand with our two party system. 300 some say 400 to 1 against this bill and they still pass it. Things are only going to get worse. Did you listen to the presidential debates about how they are going to cut spending then a few minutes later they said they would send more troops to the middle east. How is that cutting spending? Oh I get it they will be cutting our spending. Like 401k's and our IRA's. It is a good thing I am not religous. Because I can concentrate on the other!

[De Selby]

Obama or McCain for America's future?

My answer:  Neither Obama nor McCain.

[TommyGunn]

What it really comes down to is whether or not you find it acceptable to vote for the "lesser of two evils." Some people think the difference is too great, and allowing the greater evil to win would be too much for this country to survive (intact). I personally don't think so. I cannot vote for McCain because that would be a signal to the Republican party that this is ok, that he represents my ideals and I support him. I'm no more worried about an Obama presidency than McCain (however, a Palin presidency terrifies me.

I wish I knew why some people are so friggin' scared of Sarah Palin.  While she doesn't have the depth of background that some might like for a VP, when you deal with Obama's side of the aisle, HE'S the one with the light resume, and Biden's resume, while pretty thick, is that way 'cause it's chock full of errors, wrongheaded policy goofs and other flubs.
McCain wasn't my first choice. 
But when I want to panic myself over what's ahead of us I look at Obama/Biden.

[Waitone]

Don't slam O'Bama because he was funded by Soros.

McCain's Reform Institute was funded by Soros.  The funding started up right after McCain was able to deliver campaign finance reform.  You remember, the legislation that empowered 527's and seriously hindered parties.  Who's the biggest practitioner of 527 arts?  Why none other that Soros.

Anyone catch a pattern here?

[De Selby]

Don't slam O'Bama because he was funded by Soros.

McCain's Reform Institute was funded by Soros.  The funding started up right after McCain was able to deliver campaign finance reform.  You remember, the legislation that empowered 527's and seriously hindered parties.  Who's the biggest practitioner of 527 arts?  Why none other that Soros.

Anyone catch a pattern here?

Yeah-the same policies repeated by both candidates for the presidency.  It makes sense-they both work for the same interest groups, essentially.

We don't have the option this election to vote on a different direction for America.  The only option we have is to vote for different lip service to various projects whose outcome will be determined by the political winds of the moment, and not by the President.

[Manedwolf]

Nikkei is down 3.4% at this moment, China -3.17%. All other Asian markets likewise, and still dropping. With the German real estate bailout, Iceland bank failure, Europe's open might be interesting.

No matter how bad things get, never underestimate the ability of government to make them worse.

[longeyes]

I wish I knew why some people are so friggin' scared of Sarah Palin.

They think she represents a proto-Nazi "volk" movement.  NASCAR uber alles, that sort of thing.  Of course totalitarian movements begin with the "intellectuals," as I recall...

Soros funds both sides, because both sides are really either only one side or just dialectical pawns being played by higher powers.  There were people funding both the Communists and the Nazis, what else is new?