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I'm an idiot
« on: October 03, 2008, 09:19:42 PM »
Up until three years ago, my wife worked in a processing department at a large bank. Many of the people she worked with were "welfare-to-work" (W2) workers, who needed to work X numbers of hours a week in order to continue to get welfare payments.

My wife became friends with one of the W2 workers, "Big Deb." Big Deb worked 20 hours a week, and lived in a house paid for by the county welfare program. One evening my wife gave Deb a ride home, and Deb mentioned a movie she'd bought on DVD. My wife said we didn't have a DVD player. Big Deb was shocked that we didn't have a DVD player.

My wife told me about that when she got home. She felt bad about it, until I reminded her that Big Deb lives in a house that our taxes pay for, while we slave away to pay our taxes, as well as mortgage payments. My wife thought about it for a minute, and got mad.

Last weekend my wife went to Chicago with one of her gay friends. He has a very small antique shop, and was taking some items to sell. When he arrived to pick her up, he saw the McCain sign on our lawn and had a fit.

When my wife got home, she once again felt bad.

"Why should you feel bad?" I asked. "Gary lives on welfare. His rent, food and everything else is paid for by our tax dollars. Of course he's a Democrat."

My wife has many other liberal friends who, in one way or another, suckle at the government teat, and then give her a hard time for having Republican yard signs on our front lawn.

My oldest friend is a former member of the communist party (he quit when he decided that the party was too moderate). He has a job with some city-funded poverty agency that really doesn't do anything, and doesn't require him to do much of anything, either. In fact, it doesn't much matter if he even shows up. He'll come to visit every so often, on the city's time, to have me help him plan his vacation trips out west.

Our next door neighbor recently had all of the windows on his home replaced, the siding replaced, and a new garage built. A substantial portion of the cost was paid for by county grants, because the paint on the windows, siding and garage contained lead. He's very adept at finding government subsidies.

When he was laid off from his job, he not only collected unemployment compensation, but he and his wife got food stamps. Not a bad deal, considering that they have three late model cars, a beautiful home, and all sorts of toys (motorcycles, etc).

A few years back, I had a neighbor who worked for Briggs and Stratton. Every summer he'd get laid off, which he loved. He had an entire summer for vacation, living off of his unemployment compensation insurance.

That sort of grated on me, since I was paying 5% on my pay and the my employee's pay into the unemployment compensation insurance fund, even though I as the owner of the business could never collect a dime should the business fold.

A former range buddy of mine is now retired, although he freely admits that retirement isn't really any different from when he was working. You see, he had some sort of injury on his goldbrick city job back in 1985 and hasn't worked a day since. He's physically fit, and can do anything. 23 years of living off of taxpayer dollars, hanging out at the range every day, and becoming a crack shot. When I mentioned that I wished I could get in that kind of range time, he said, "your problem is that you have to work."

When we bought our second house back in 1992, I didn't want to go over $100,000, even though we were qualified at that time for as much as $400,000. We bought a fixer-upper, because I didn't want to run the risk of having a business downturn and struggling to make a large mortgage payment.

Some former neighbors of ours bought more house than they could afford, and got caught up in the credit crisis. It now looks like they'll not only be able to keep the house, but they're going to get a great deal on their new mortgage. It's an even better deal when you consider that you and I are paying for it. It's a beautiful house, much nicer than mine.

Why bother to work? Why bother to be frugal? There's free money out there if you know how to game the system. You can live fairly well without having to bother yourself with a full-time job, or even a part-time job. You can get the government to pay your rent, subsidize your mortgage, pay for home improvements, pay for your food, rent, clothing...hell, you can even have enough money left over for luxuries like the latest electronics gadgets.

I want to take all that free stuff, too, but I can't. I can't bring myself to bleed someone else.

I'm an idiot.







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Re: I'm an idiot
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2008, 05:36:29 PM »
Don't feel to bad about it, there are a bunch of us out here. May be time to read Atlas Shrugged again...
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Re: I'm an idiot
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2008, 05:54:16 PM »
Sounds like you need new friends and coworkers.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2008, 06:06:49 PM »
I read Atlas Shrugged when I was 14 or so. It affected my view of life, and it's also the reason I can't take other peoples' money. So where the hell did that get me?

The wife of the neighbor with the new garage doesn't work. I'm not sure how they get by when he is employed, because I don't think he has a high-paying job.

Once, when my wife was talking to her, my wife complained about a bad day at work. The neighbor said, "You have to have a job? Ugh."

I just don't get it.

Another neighbor has a daughter, a very nice young lady. As she and other friends were talking about what they were going to do after high school graduation, one said that she was going to have several kids and live on welfare. She wasn't kidding.

My wife had a friend who said the exact same thing in high school, and that's what she did. Last I heard, her 16 year-old daughter from the third marriage was waiting for the father (not her biological father) to get out of prison for sexually molesting her so that the two could get married. You can't make this stuff up.

Yet another friend of my wife's has a husband who hasn't worked in decades. Supposedly disabled, but he can help his buddies reroof a house or just about anything else. He spends his days drinking beer and watching TV. I've seen their house, and it's not horrible.

If you consider that these are just the people that I know of, there must be untold millions doing the same thing.

Mike, I don't see my oldest friend more than once every two or three years (any more often than that and I'f blow my top). And I can't pick my neighbors.

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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2008, 07:08:10 PM »
See you at the Gulch in 09. Bring food and ammo.
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Re: I'm an idiot
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2008, 08:38:36 PM »
Well, yeah, Monkeyleg, but you've got pride, as well as nothing to be ashamed of. Those are still worth a lot more than money to real Americans.
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Re: I'm an idiot
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2008, 08:54:57 PM »
A very well written article, Dick. I guess I'm an idiot too.

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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2008, 09:01:44 PM »
Me too. >:(

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You ought to print your OP and mail it to your congress critters.

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Re: I'm an idiot
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2008, 09:12:36 PM »
Another big, fat, idiot here.
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2008, 09:53:54 PM »
Well, yeah, Monkeyleg, but you've got pride, as well as nothing to be ashamed of. Those are still worth a lot more than money to real Americans.

Very well said.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2008, 10:27:10 PM »
A friend at work has a bumper sticker on his tool box that applies here, it says "Keep working, millions on welfare depend on you."
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2008, 10:31:24 PM »
This is the question I keep asking myself as well.

America used to be about the freedom to succeed or fail.

Why do I work? Why do I bother, when I know quite well I could go pirate, game the system, get lots of government dollars and probably live better for less effort? I see people all the time who make less money than I do at their job, but they have a new house, more expensive cars, and more toys than I do.

Damn ethics.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2008, 12:26:58 AM »


Indeed you are not alone.  There are many of us Idiots roaming the landscape.   Rejoice Brother, for you have retained your honor and shall drink deeply of the Blood Wine in Stovakor while those...parasites...lanquish in purgatory.
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 05:09:57 AM »
I work because I enjoy it. I like earning my own money and paying my own way with some measure of freedom and a wholly clear conscience. I refuse to be a stupid lazy slave of .gov.

I am not an idiot, and neither are you.

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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 07:11:58 AM »
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He has a very small antique shop, and was taking some items to sell. When he arrived to pick her up, he saw the McCain sign on our lawn and had a fit.

When my wife got home, she once again felt bad.

"Why should you feel bad?" I asked. "Gary lives on welfare. His rent, food and everything else is paid for by our tax dollars. Of course he's a Democrat."

How does that work?
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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2008, 07:41:17 AM »
I may be wrong.
But I've lived in the US for two years and I've lived in two
countries in (central) Europe.
You (USA) are us (Europe). If you put aside the minor differences in legislation, juridiction, foreign politics and your lifestyle you are a perfect look-a-like.

Never in my life would I have believed the the American gouvernment would pay 700 billion dollars to Moneyhandlers who gave Ninja loans and used leverage to make money on Wall street. I wonder how close this comes
to a classic social democratic (not socialism yet, mind you) move of a Brussels  administration. 

I wonder if this the result of the cold war which you've won where American foreign policies were meant to shape Europe after her or globalisation where the middleclass gets the shaft all over the world at the profit of the parisites and the super rich ?  At the end of the day if you count the dollars you give to the gouvernment you almost may  come up to the same amount than Europe giving Euros to their treasury which is in my case between 60 and 70 % overall.
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2008, 03:35:27 PM »
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Why bother to work? Why bother to be frugal?

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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2008, 03:58:10 PM »
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Why bother to work? Why bother to be frugal?

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Exactly. I figure I will loan money when I start studying, and yes, I will probably get some for free as well. Considering that I've worked pretty much constantly since I graduated, I see it as getting back some of the 50% I've paid in taxes over the years.
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2008, 04:27:40 PM »
Well, pucker up, Buttercup, 'cause you're gonna see a lot more nanny-state in the near future.  Watching talking heads on TeeVee today have plucked my twanger regarding the future of capitalism in this country. The sad part is, the GOOD news is that I believe it will create a hyperinflationary spiral that will disassemble most of it, but at terrible cost to us all.

I'm not optimistic...
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2008, 06:09:52 PM »
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At the end of the day if you count the dollars you give to the gouvernment you almost may  come up to the same amount than Europe giving Euros to their treasury which is in my case between 60 and 70 % overall.

If you figure 15% to 35% for federal income tax, ~6% for state income taxes, 15% for FICA and co-FICA (you're paying co-FICA whether you're self-employed or not), the tax rate is already 36% to 56%. Add in sales taxes, property taxes, usage taxes, excise taxes, as well as "fees," and you're up around the 45% to 65% range, maybe more.

In the 1950's the federal income tax on an average family of four was 5%.

Times have changed.

MicroBalrog, Gary sells a little bit of stuff here and there. I suspect it's enough to pay for things like restaurants, etc. It's also probably a largely cash business.

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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2008, 07:36:13 PM »
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At the end of the day if you count the dollars you give to the gouvernment you almost may  come up to the same amount than Europe giving Euros to their treasury which is in my case between 60 and 70 % overall.

25% federal income tax, 3.07% state income tax, 12.4% for Social Security, 2.9% for Medicare.  That's 43.37% being directly taken out of my paycheck. 
I also have a local township income tax, SUI/SDI, and a state occupation tax.  All directly taken out as well, but relatively minor.  Roughly another percent. 
So a total of roughly 44.37% of my money is directly taken out of my pocket.

I also pay 15% on any capital gains I make from investing.  And I don't get a nice giant $700b check from the feds when I do something stupid and blow my investments.

Additionally, I pay a number of extra 'hidden' taxes.  I pay excise taxes for alcohol (which certain kinds can only be purchased from my state's mandated monopoly), Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax (FAET), an insane percentage on my smokes (which also are subject to govt price control), 6% sales tax on any consumer goods I buy, a couple bucks every few years for the right to conceal carry, etc etc.  To go and do any of these purchases, I pay roughly 47 cents per gallon to my state and to the feds.  I also pay for a state inspection check, a state emissions check, a registeration fee, and another couple bucks for a very tiny sticker to slap on my car license plate.  Thankfully, I can pay a private company licensed by my state's DMV to do everything that the DMV does, but quickly, politely and correctly.  And apparently make a profit, good for them.  That's one legal monopoly I'm more than happy to pay off, as they actually give me something for my money.

For all of that, I basically get half decent roads and ok police.  The state police are generally very nice folks and have a sense of humor.  The local police near my home are polite enough and leave me alone.   Local fire co is volunteer and mostly funded by donations.  I'd know, as my company donate them a shiney new fire engine that was lovingly built by one of our sister companies.  EMS isn't free, I pay for my own health insurance.  I don't have kids, so I'm not getting the benefit of local schooling.  Which the quality sucks, I know this as I was a student there 8 years ago.

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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2008, 07:56:33 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2008, 08:14:15 PM »
I get to watch a friend of mine work herself to the bone to the tune of 60-70 hrs per week at two jobs to pay off her car and school payments. Which total up to about 750 a month. I feel bad knowing that i could pay her bills and my bills with just a little bit left over at the end of the month and I only work about 32 hrs a week.

Normally I'm not one for government mandates, but something about a lot of places only giving out part time positions and paying minimum wage which isn't a living wage by far makes me angry.
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2008, 08:21:08 PM »
"May be time to read Atlas Shrugged again..."


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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2008, 08:27:18 PM »
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...but something about a lot of places only giving out part time positions and paying minimum wage which isn't a living wage by far makes me angry.

Okay, let's mandate that all businesses hire only full time postions, and pay a minimum of $40k a year, regardless of what the job actually entails, and what value it provides to the employer.  Yup, that'll work.
"Living wage" my fanny.   :rolleyes:
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