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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2008, 01:49:58 AM »
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Second-degree murder is still murder.

Of course this gets into, what is "murder".
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #76 on: October 07, 2008, 02:13:17 AM »
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Second-degree murder is still murder.

Of course this gets into, what is "murder".

Shooting someone while robbing a bank would seem like a good place to start......
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #77 on: October 07, 2008, 02:14:12 AM »
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Second-degree murder is still murder.

Of course this gets into, what is "murder".
If it simplifies things for you, feel free to consider it murder whenever you kill someone while stealing their money.

Heh.  Looks like Balog beat me to it.

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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #78 on: October 07, 2008, 02:31:31 AM »
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Shooting someone while robbing a bank would seem like a good place to start......

So many premises need to be set up before you can get to explaining why taking the money from the Brinks truck was justified. Also like I said before, the group that robbed the Brinks truck was not the WU. So that example can't be used as an example that the WU killed people. The only example that can be used is the one of the killing of the cop. Which I have already talked about.

Now something that I think also needs to be said is that the WU was a Marxist-Leninist group. Which is a little to authoritarian for my tastes, I am an anarchist don't forget, so not everything they did I would agree with.
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #79 on: October 07, 2008, 07:28:05 AM »
Here's a little taste of the WU:



http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZWEwNWI4ZmU1N2E1OGVlZWIwZjVjNmQ2NWIwMzRlOGM=

Many of us forget that the Weather Underground bombing cam-
paign was not a matter of a few isolated incidents. From September
1969 to May 1970, Rudd and his co-revolutionaries on the white rad-
ical left committed about 250 attacks, or almost one terrorist bomb-
ing a day
(government estimates put that number up to 600 percent
higher). During the summer of 1970, there were twenty bombings a
week in California.
The bombings were the backbeat to the sym-
phony of violence, much of it rhetorical, that set the score for the
New Left in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Rudd captured the tone
perfectly: “It’s a wonderful feeling to hit a pig. It must be a really
wonderful feeling to kill a pig or blow up a building.” “The real di-
vision is not between people who support bombings and people who
don’t,” explained a secret member of a “bombing collective,” but
“between people who will do them and people who are too hung up
on their own privileges and security to take those risks.”


Bourgeois self-loathing lay at the very heart of the New Left’s ha-
tred of liberalism, its love affair with violence, and its willingness to
take a sledgehammer to Western civilization. “We’re against every-
thing that’s ‘good and decent’ in honky America,” declared one
rebel. “We will burn and loot and destroy. We are the incubation of
your mother’s worst nightmare.” The Weathermen became the storm
troopers of the New Left, horrifying even those who agreed with
their cause. Convinced that all whites were born tainted with the
original sin of “skin privilege,” the fighting brigade of the New Left
internalized racialist thinking as hatred of their own whiteness. “All
white babies are pigs,” declared one Weatherman. On one occasion
the feminist poet Robin Morgan was breast-feeding her son at the of-
fices of the radical journal Rat. A Weatherwoman saw this and told
her, “You have no right to have that pig male baby.” “How can you
say that?” Morgan asked. “What should I do?” “Put it in the
garbage,” the Weatherwoman answered.

Bernadine Dohrn [Ayers' wife], an acid-loving University of Chicago law stu-
dent turned revolutionary, reflected the widespread New Left fasci-
nation with the serial-killing hippie Ãœbermensch Charles Manson.
“Dig It! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same
room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach!
Wild!” In appreciation, her Weather Underground cell made a three-
fingered “fork” gesture its official salute.




The victim who was stuck with the fork was pregnant at the time & Dohrn thinks it is fine & dandy.



"What is murder?" 

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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #80 on: October 07, 2008, 10:31:55 AM »

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If he's a known terrorist whose actions killed people would you take the opportunity to kill him on the spot? Surely that would be the right thing to do if he's so dangerous.

I thought we weren't allowed to "advocate commission of capital crimes."

I'm not - I had never heard of this man until the primaries. Other people seem a little more "radical" though...
Quote from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html
"Palin, speaking to a sea of "Palin Power" and "Sarahcuda" T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. "One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," she said. ("Boooo!" said the crowd.) "And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' " she continued. ("Boooo!" the crowd repeated.)

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience. "
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2008, 12:06:29 PM »
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Shooting someone while robbing a bank would seem like a good place to start......

So many premises need to be set up before you can get to explaining why taking the money from the Brinks truck was justified.

Oh, pleeeaaase try.  I would love to hear an argument justifying why taking money froma Brinks truck is the right thing to do. :O  :rolleyes:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #82 on: October 07, 2008, 01:00:00 PM »
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Shooting someone while robbing a bank would seem like a good place to start......

So many premises need to be set up before you can get to explaining why taking the money from the Brinks truck was justified.

Oh, pleeeaaase try.  I would love to hear an argument justifying why taking money froma Brinks truck is the right thing to do. :O  :rolleyes:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

Because Brinks hauls money for "The Man" and "The Man" is evil because they take money from the poor.

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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #83 on: October 07, 2008, 01:32:03 PM »

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If he's a known terrorist whose actions killed people would you take the opportunity to kill him on the spot? Surely that would be the right thing to do if he's so dangerous.

I thought we weren't allowed to "advocate commission of capital crimes."

I'm not - I had never heard of this man until the primaries. Other people seem a little more "radical" though...
Quote from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html
"Palin, speaking to a sea of "Palin Power" and "Sarahcuda" T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. "One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," she said. ("Boooo!" said the crowd.) "And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' " she continued. ("Boooo!" the crowd repeated.)

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience. "
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That's funny.  You quoted yourself advising us that, if we think someone is a domestic terrorist, we should kill him, on our own initiative, without due process.  (That's called lynching.)
Then you point to one guy, ostensibly suggesting that Bill Ayers should be killed, and presume that he was talking about lynching, rather than legal execution. 

You're funny.  I hope we keep you.  :P
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #84 on: October 07, 2008, 01:34:40 PM »
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Here's a little taste of the WU:

I call BS.

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Because Brinks hauls money for "The Man" and "The Man" is evil because they take money from the poor.

:P
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #85 on: October 07, 2008, 01:43:50 PM »
That's funny.  You quoted yourself advising us that, if we think someone is a domestic terrorist, we should kill him, on our own initiative, without due process.  (That's called lynching.)

I'm not sure how you can keep misunderstanding this. My whole point was that if he's so dangerous he shouldn't be allowed to walk free and possibly harm people. The fact that he IS NOT THAT DANGEROUS was the whole point.  If you'd like me to go over this again, I certainly can, but at that point I'll be convinced you're being intentionally obtuse.
Then you point to one guy, ostensibly suggesting that Bill Ayers should be killed, and presume that he was talking about lynching, rather than legal execution. 
It's not like the guy yelled "Arrest him, bring him to trial, find him guilty of crimes he committed forty years ago, and legally execute him!". He just yelled "Kill Him!"
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #86 on: October 07, 2008, 01:49:12 PM »
"I call BS."  is that you personally or should we reference rev left to find out why/how its bs
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #87 on: October 07, 2008, 01:52:16 PM »
There are a lot of dangerous people in this country "walking free."  That's the problem we face.  We have a system that protects them, in fact creates them.  And they are not only in the underclass, they are on Wall St., in the State Dept., sitting on the bench, lecturing in universities, writing columns in mainstream newspapers, and indoctrinating your second-graders.

What we don't need, at this critical juncture, is to turn America OVER to the dangerous element under the color of The Law.
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #88 on: October 07, 2008, 02:06:22 PM »
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"I call BS."  is that you personally or should we reference rev left to find out why/how its bs

Revleft, duh. :P Some of the things said are just absurd.
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« Reply #89 on: October 07, 2008, 02:09:02 PM »
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"I call BS."  is that you personally or should we reference rev left to find out why/how its bs

Revleft, duh. :P Some of the things said are just absurd.

Like "Killing someone while robbing a bank is either A. not a big deal if you didn't really plan to or B. perfectly fine if the bank robbers are heroic revolutionaries."

You're right, that is pretty absurd.
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #90 on: October 07, 2008, 02:12:19 PM »
Did I say it wasn't a big deal?
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« Reply #91 on: October 07, 2008, 02:44:42 PM »
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Here's a little taste of the WU:

I call BS.

Which part?

Here is what a WU contemporary had to write about the "fork salute":

"I don’t regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; "I feel we didn’t do enough." In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World revolutionaries conquer and destroy it. Taking charge of the podium, dressed in a high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast." Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!

Embarrassed today by this memory, but unable to expunge it from the record and unwilling to repudiate her terrorist deeds, Dorhn resorts to the lie direct. "It was a joke," she told the sympathetic Times reporter, Dinitia Smith; she was actually protesting America’s crimes. "We were mocking violence in America. Even in my most inflamed moment I never supported a racist mass murderer." In 1980, I taped interviews with thirty members of the Weather Underground who were present at the Flint War Council, including most of its leadership. Not one of them thought Dohrn was anything but deadly serious. Outrageous nihilism was the Weatherman political style. As soon as her tribute to Manson was completed, Dohrn was followed to the Flint platform by another Weather leader who ranted, "We’re against everything that’s ‘good and decent’ in honky America. We will loot and burn and destroy. We are the incubation of your mothers’ nightmares."



Did I say it wasn't a big deal?

Your words definitely implied that the unplanned nature of the killings was exculpatory:
"Not only that but the robbery went bad and the 3 people where killed. It's not like they planned to kill them."
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #92 on: October 07, 2008, 02:48:33 PM »
Ohhh, I can't wait to hear that FZ explain that the Rosenbergs were innocent and Alger Hiss was just misunderstood.

FZ, your talking about this group right ??  These folks are just poor misunderstood bunny snugglers, and not violent domestic terrorists preying on innocent victims....right ???

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« Reply #93 on: October 07, 2008, 03:06:51 PM »
Another snippet from the Horowitz interview(s) with WU members:
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I interviewed Ayers ten years ago, in a kindergarten classroom in uptown Manhattan where he was employed to shape the minds of inner city children. Dressed in bib overalls with golden curls rolling below his ears, Ayers reviewed his activities as a terrorist for my tape recorder. When he was done, he broke into a broad, Jack Horner grin and summed up his experience: "Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country."

In my experience, what drives most radicals are passions of resentment, envy and inner rage. Bill Ayers is a scion of wealth. His father was head of Detroit’s giant utility Commonwealth Edison, in line for a cabinet position in the Nixon Administration before his son ruined it by going on a rampage that to this day he cannot explain to any reasonable person’s satisfaction (which is why he has to conceal so much). It could be said of Bill Ayers that he was consumed by angers so terrible they led him to destroy his father’s career. But in the 10 hours I interviewed him I saw none of it. What I saw was a shallowness beyond conception. All the Weather leaders I interviewed shared a similar vacuity. They were living inside a utopian fantasy, a separate reality, and had no idea of what they had done. Nor any way to measure it. Appreciating the nation to which they were born, recognizing the great gifts of freedom and opportunity their parents and communities had given them, distinguishing between right and wrong – it was all above their mental and moral ceiling. 
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #94 on: October 07, 2008, 03:23:13 PM »
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Ohhh, I can't wait to hear that FZ explain that the Rosenbergs were innocent and Alger Hiss was just misunderstood.

I don't know who they are.

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FZ, your talking about this group right ??  These folks are just poor misunderstood bunny snugglers, and not violent domestic terrorists preying on innocent victims....right Huh?

 :rolleyes: The people who fought in the revolutionary war would be called "violent domestic terrorists" too. Preying on innocent victims, where do you get that?
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #95 on: October 07, 2008, 04:15:53 PM »
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FZ, your talking about this group right ??  These folks are just poor misunderstood bunny snugglers, and not violent domestic terrorists preying on innocent victims....right Huh?

 :rolleyes: The people who fought in the revolutionary war would be called "violent domestic terrorists" too. Preying on innocent victims, where do you get that?
The people who fought the revolution fought to protect themselves and their families and their livelihoods.  They fought to preserve their liberties.  They fought for the right to control their own lives and their futures.

The Weathermen killed to steal someone else' money. 

There is a difference.

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« Reply #96 on: October 07, 2008, 04:26:05 PM »
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The people who fought the revolution fought to protect themselves and their families and their livelihoods.  They fought to preserve their liberties.  They fought for the right to control their own lives and their futures.

The Weathermen killed to steal someone else' money. 

There is a difference.

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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #97 on: October 07, 2008, 06:16:30 PM »
The people who fought in the revolutionary war would be called "violent domestic terrorists" too.

Do you honestly not know the difference between war and terrorism? 
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« Reply #98 on: October 07, 2008, 06:31:04 PM »
The people who fought in the revolutionary war would be called "violent domestic terrorists" too.

Do you honestly not know the difference between war and terrorism? 

This kind of people can't.

The reason is that words don't have meaning for them. In their minds, the only difference between war and terrorism is semantics.

If you call civilians "tools of an oppressive society," then they are legitimate targets.

To the leftists, whatever is necessary to win is fine: they consider "terrorism" just another option.
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Re: Palin starts hitting Obama
« Reply #99 on: October 07, 2008, 06:47:30 PM »
See next post.  Sorry.
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