Obama art/worship

[Rudy Kohn]

Seeing as how communism is classless and stateless a communist country is impossible.

I don't get this.  How can communism work without an authority to control distribution?  If you don't call that authority a "state," then what is it?  Why isn't it a "state?"  There still has to be someone sending the shoemakers' shoes and the farmers' crops and the tailors' clothes to the people.

It seems to me that this is a pretty common rhetorical tactic, used by Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc.--"What the last guy did, even though he claimed it was communism, isn't really communism, because of some arbitrary semantic difference, which doesn't really change the crux of the movement, at least not enough to prevent me from shooting umpteen million people in the back of the head because they won't cooperate with my utopian plans."  It's the origin of the phrase "politically correct."

It's called sophistry.  By simply changing slightly the definitions of words, you control the argument, without actually adding anything meaningful to it.  "Well, all the other guys claiming to be communists are posers.  When you really do it right (the way I want to do it), everything will work out fine, I promise."

In effect, we have a chain of authoritarian dictators who all claimed to support the ideal of communism, simply shouting "UR DOING IT RONG!" at their predecessors, and doing the same damn thing with a few minor changes.  It's ridiculous.

[ctdonath]

"You can even get a full education in any topic from MIT and other universities for free on-line (final diploma costs extra)."

Huh?

http://ocw.mit.edu provides the complete contents of 1800 MIT courses for 35 different degrees.

Other schools likewise provide the full content of many courses, if not entire degrees, online for free (see your local public library for free internet access). If you want to learn, it's all there - you supply the brain and motivation. It's the live-instructor classroom experience and final piece of paper that cost $XX0,000. There is no excuse for not obtaining the education of your choice.

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...couple that with the fact that anyone can get free health care by just walking into any emergency room (it says so right on a sign by the door - go look yourself), and the bulk of the Leftist handwringing is proven B.S.
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It appears to me that this design4obama person came here with good intentions.

Unfortunately, good intentions are all too often ill-informed and ill-expressed. The truth hurts.

[design4obama]

Wow wow wow guys.
I not trying to preach anything.

I didn't write the text on the site, I just programed it. (in a week non the less)

But I do want to make one thing for sure. OBAMA IS NOT MY MESSIAH!

I know money does not fix things on it's own, but when people are poor it does make it harder.
Why is there lower crime in higher taxed countries? Desperation causes a lot of bad things to happen.

This is america, I  know. The sky is the limit, but so is the floor. I for one would be willing to lower that ceiling if it meant raising that floor.

All I am saying is that I personally feel that government money can be used for good.

[Manedwolf]

This is america, I  know. The sky is the limit, but so is the floor. I for one would be willing to lower that ceiling if it meant raising that floor.

Then it wouldn't be America anymore.

Why try harder if you're not allowed to succeed, if limits are put on you? Why try at all? Why not just sit back and relax and let Uncle Sugar give you handouts while other people work?

See the problem?

[RaspberrySurprise]

Because there are still people in this country who cringe at the words "I'm here from the government and I'm here to help." With good reason.

[ctdonath]

I for one would be willing to lower that ceiling if it meant raising that floor.

Those of us who worked hard to reach the ceiling have a problem with that.

I personally feel that government money can be used for good.

That's not "government" money. That's MY money (and of my fellow taxpayers). I'm living on the edge because you, Obama, et al confiscate half my income and give it to those unwilling to put in the effort I/we did, as if giveaways will raise the floor (which it doesn't).

Give me back my tax payments and I'll do a lot more good with it than government will.

[Boomhauer]

Wow wow wow guys.
I not trying to preach anything.

I didn't write the text on the site, I just programed it. (in a week non the less)

But I do want to make one thing for sure. OBAMA IS NOT MY MESSIAH!

I know money does not fix things on it's own, but when people are poor it does make it harder.
Why is there lower crime in higher taxed countries? Desperation causes a lot of bad things to happen.

This is america, I  know. The sky is the limit, but so is the floor. I for one would be willing to lower that ceiling if it meant raising that floor.

All I am saying is that I personally feel that government money can be used for good.

I'd prefer for the gov't to keep their filthy paws off the money that I EARNED THROUGH MY HARD WORK.

It should be up to me to decide what the hell to do with it, rather than the government take it from me and decide for me.

I'd wish that they didn't put a gun to my head and seize MY money and give it to some ahole who didn't work for it and therefore has no right to it.

I don't give a crap about anybody else. If they fail, it's because of the choices THEY made.

[Jamisjockey]

Then it wouldn't be America anymore.

Check and Mate.

All I am saying is that I personally feel that government money can be used for good.

THAT MONEY ISN'T THE GOVERNMENTS!!!!!!
It is your money!  It is my money!  Its tax dollars for cryin out loud!
I don't know what little Utopia you live in, but in my little corner of the world, when the goverment takes money from me, I have less to put into the economy, less to save for my future, and less to pay my (3) employees. 

[nico]

this is one of the most disturbing things I've seen in a long time:

http://www.designforobama.org/prints/view/415_27efc05809aa0aa6497a9ab57cc9313f_8b3.jpg


ETA: hell, that whole site is disturbing as hell.  I used to think America wouldn't end up with a dictator in my lifetime.  The obamabots are giving me some serious doubts about that

[Harold Tuttle]

From what I have seen lately, they are a rather intolerant lot of "liberals"

[design4obama]

Huh... I guess im the minority here.

I know I work hard, but I also know that there is more to life than money. If there is lower crime I dont have to pay so much for insurance,
But it also means I feel safer.

Less poverty means less desperation means more safety and means more people have the right to a quality life.

Again, I know I work hard, and I think I Work very very hard, but achieving money is not why I do it. I work hard because I see a better me on the horizon. I love to learn and do, and so I do.

But not everyone is as fortunate as I am, and I would rather some one live of of my taxes than have them create a cycle where there children never had a chance.

WWJD? Would he let people sit there while he yelled about his money being his, or would he willing give a little to make a difference?

We are america because of so many more things than just money. We are the greatest nation in the world because we can achieve anything. Right now Im just hoping to achieve a better life for people who have no hope of one.

But again... this is just me. and I understand and see why you would feel differently.

[Perd Hapley]

I know money does not fix things on it's own, but when people are poor it does make it harder.

And govt. programs to help the poor have perpetuated the problem.  They leave the poor poor, and create a culture of shiftless dependence that only breeds more poor folks.  Surely you have noticed that crime is actually worse now, than before Johnson began this endless War on Poverty?  There is an exit strategy for this quagmire, but when conservative suggest that we withdraw, we are charged with racism, insensitivity, etc. 

This is america, I  know. The sky is the limit, but so is the floor. I for one would be willing to lower that ceiling if it meant raising that floor.

Then your problem is with freedom and prosperity.  "Lower the ceiling" is another way to say "sabotage the economy with taxes and regulations."  No one wins that way.  Well, except for politicians like Obama, who's only aim is to make more people dependent on the ruling class.

[Perd Hapley]

WWJD? Would he let people sit there while he yelled about his money being his, or would he willing give a little to make a difference? 

You will notice that Christ advocated charity, not govt. spending programs.  What you're suggesting is theocracy; forcing others to give to the poor, to bring them in line with your values.  No thank you. 

Secondly, you miss the point of what everyone here is saying to you.  YOU AND OBAMA ARE THE ONE WHO'S POLITICAL VIEWS WILL KEEP PEOPLE IN POVERTY. 

[Mabs2]

If you want to help people in need, that's fine.  Go help people in need.
Since when has the government doing ANYTHING been a good idea?
I live in a town with a lot of people on government hand outs.  They live better than my entire family does and they do nothing.
I saw on TV some guy got his "government check" and bought gold teeth and chains with it.  The ones around here just buy big TVs and over priced clothes and play video games all day.
And I paid for it all.  And so did you.

[Perd Hapley]

d4o,

Being poor in America means you don't have much furniture, so your massive TV has to sit on the floor.  That is not a joke.  I have no money.  But the people I know that live on food stamps have better TVs than I do, and unlike me, THEY HAVE CABLE.  Explain that to me. 

[Boomhauer]

Huh... I guess im the minority here.

I know I work hard, but I also know that there is more to life than money. If there is lower crime I dont have to pay so much for insurance,
But it also means I feel safer.

Government seizing my money doesn't make me feel safer. If something happens, depending on the proximity of police units, the response time can range from from a couple of minutes to a couple of hours (for rural residents). My guns are ready in mere seconds. Making criminals dead works surprisingly well when it comes to crime reduction. And if they fear getting shot, then they tend not to try to commit a crime. The gov't just lets 'em back out anyway these days, so what purpose do the jails hold again?

Less poverty means less desperation means more safety and means more people have the right to a quality life.

I already told you. I don't give one whit about anyone outside of my small circle of favored friends, family, and many members of this forum. I'll give them the shirt off my back. But I don't care one whit about anybody else. 

Again, I know I work hard, and I think I Work very very hard, but achieving money is not why I do it. I work hard because I see a better me on the horizon. I love to learn and do, and so I do.

I work for money. And then I spend it on myself. You see, I HATE working. I'm a lazy dude. Work sucks. It isn't fun. 

But not everyone is as fortunate as I am, and I would rather some one live of of my taxes than have them create a cycle where there children never had a chance.

If they can't provide for their children, then MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE SCREWED AND HAD KIDS? 

WWJD? Would he let people sit there while he yelled about his money being his, or would he willing give a little to make a difference?

What makes you think I would care what Jesus would do? He'd probably say off the couch and get a job, you lazy idjit.


Personal Responsibility is the answer to the so called "poverty crisis". Work for yourself. Provide for yourself. If you can't do that, then you are just a leach on society. If you chose to take an action you couldn't afford (i.e., had a kid), then sucks for you. Too bad. Now, keep your filthy hands off my money.


I fully support charities that depend on voluntary contributions. If that's your thing, go right on ahead. I have a big problem with having the money that I earned being involuntarily seized and having it given to people that sure as hell don't deserve it.

[Manedwolf]

A universal constant of liberals is that they are extremely generous with other peoples' money.

You want to donate all your money to charities? Knock yourself out.

But taxes are ROBBING OTHER PEOPLE for YOUR agenda. That is not okay!

[Mabs2]

What makes you think I would care what Jesus would do? He'd probably say off the couch and get a job, you lazy idjit.

I seem to recall Jesus cursing a fig tree because it hadn't bore fruit during the fruit bearing season.
Found it.  Apparently fig trees have edible thingies called taqsh growing on them before the actual figs grow on them.

Mark 11
12And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
14And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

[Jamisjockey]

You will notice that Christ advocated charity, not govt. spending programs.  What you're suggesting is theocracy; forcing others to give to the poor, to bring them in line with your values.  No thank you. 

Secondly, you miss the point of what everyone here is saying to you.  YOU AND OBAMA ARE THE ONE WHO'S POLITICAL VIEWS WILL KEEP PEOPLE IN POVERTY. 

But...but.....but.....Obama is a christian!  WWRWD?!?  WhatWouldReverendWrightDo?!?
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[280plus]

Let's be a little more civil to D4O maybe? Berating him/her is not quite the way to express our opinions. Let's try to make this a productive discussion not a mob scene.

One point I have. If the college kids in your town armed themselves and made their personal protection a priority rather than depend on the gov to care for it the muggings would cease rather quickly. It's obvious the bad element sees them as an easy target and they have noone to blame but themselves. Thanks for taking the time to come here and express your opinions. The under privileged need to take the bull by the horns and help themselves out of the rut their in. No amount of gov intervention will do it for them. My opinion on this whole election thing is It boggles my mind when I stop and think that these two idjits (McCain AND Obama) are the best either of these contolling parties can come up with? Never before have I heard so many people say they must hold their noses when voting this time around. I am among them. Neither of these guys strikes me as having any real answers. So I must vote for the one I dislike the least as opposed to the one I like the most. Sad for the US I think...

[nico]

But not everyone is as fortunate as I am, and I would rather some one live of of my taxes than have them create a cycle where there children never had a chance.

But, having people live off of your taxes does exactly that.  Instead of instilling the work ethic necessary to improve their place in life, the children learn that they can do whatever they want (ie: crime) and the government will still send them a check every month.

Lots of people in every tax bracket can't afford to live the lifestyle they want, but the number of people who legitimately can't support themselves is very low.  

btw, my previous comment wasn't meant as a personal attack against you; I have no idea what your motivations were to start the site.  I do, however, find many of the images disturbing as they seem to be a relatively accurate portrayal of the way a lot of people view obama.  Putting any politician on the pedestal that a lot of obama supporters seem to is inviting abuse of power. 

[design4obama]

No, not true all of the time. My father was the laziest man I have ever met (god rest his soul). It took me a long time to realize that If I didn't get off my ass and work hard as I could I would end up just like him.

But I did grow up in a family that taught me passion for others. Maybe im jaded, ill give you all that.

I know the government needs to keep their hands off me. But I also rely on them to keep this place safe. I dont think we would be better off with a privatized military. I think they do a great job. The government is good at certain things, bad at others. School would be great if it was all private, but it's not, so we need to fix what we have.

And I am complete in agreement in every way that the family needs to hold the weight for their children. Why most people in poverty have kids is beyond me. But these people need education to see how stupid they are being.

But the reason I like obama is I feel for once that there is the possibility for change on the horizon, that we may bond together and bring back family values.

No matter who you like, you have to admit it is pretty cool to see this many people bonding together behind one man. No other elect in the past 20 years had this kind of following. You can track the art being done for elections. In the past it has all been negative about the other candidate. Not it is mostly positive. For many it is no longer the least evil, it really has become more of "I want that person to be my president"

But I also think obama knows better what it is like to have a family do the right thing and pull them selves out of the gutter.

As for people on welfare having better TVs. Well if I was at home all day doing nothing, I would have a better one too. TV is over rated. You Need one just big enough to see the plays and the score. Get enough beer and friends over and it's better than watching a huge tv while knowing you care about nothing.

Im going to leave now, I never wanted a heated debate, just to talk.
But dont have angry thought of me, I have none for you. We are both going for the same goal. We want to be rewarded for our hard work, and keep our families safe. We only differ slightly on how to do it.

But, having people live off of your taxes does exactly that.  Instead of instilling the work ethic necessary to improve their place in life, the children learn that they can do whatever they want (ie: crime) and the government will still send them a check every month.

[Manedwolf]

No matter who you like, you have to admit it is pretty cool to see this many people bonding together behind one man. No other elect in the past 20 years had this kind of following. You can track the art being done for elections. In the past it has all been negative about the other candidate. Not it is mostly positive. For many it is no longer the least evil, it really has become more of "I want that person to be my president"

Okay. Stop right there.

POLITICIANS SHOULD HAVE SUPPORTERS, NOT FOLLOWERS.

RELIGIONS have followers.

I NEVER "follow" an elected representative. I support them if I think they are going to work FOR ME.

[buzz_knox]

I dont think Obama wants (he better not) a communist society.

You might want to get more familiar with your chosen candidate.  He's openly discussed being influenced by Lenin and Marx.

Can you do a poster showing his "Citizen National Security Force?"  I'd suggest brown shirts if you want to get away from the Communist motif so much of the Obama worship art is copied from.

Personally, I think it's funny when I see him in the Che Guevara pose.  Hopefully people will someday realize that ole' Che was a worthless sociopathic murderer who was sent from Cuba because even Fidel thought he was more dangerous than a rabid dog.

But the reason I like obama is I feel for once that there is the possibility for change on the horizon, that we may bond together and bring back family values.

How is that going to happen, when he is inherently divisive and has contempt for a large percentage of the population?  When the cameras were off, he has no problems spilling his hatred for those who "bitterly cling to their guns and religion?"  When the cameras were off, he had no problems listening to his spiritual advisor utter hate speech Sunday after Sunday. 

Just remember that much of his actions as President will be performed when the cameras are off, the time when the real Obama comes out, not the well-cultivated media darling.

[Jamisjockey]

Im going to leave now, I never wanted a heated debate, just to talk.
But dont have angry thought of me, I have none for you. We are both going for the same goal. We want to be rewarded for our hard work, and keep our families safe. We only differ slightly on how to do it.

No offense, but your vision on "how to do it" is unAmerican.  If you and your type would just admit you're post-American Progressives who view government not as the problem but the solution, and that you'd rather burn the BOR and Constitution.....then at least we'd be having an honest discourse.
The values and beliefs this country were founded on are clearly spelled out.  Obama (and most modern politicians) differs from those values.  Simply by stating he feels its his right to spread the wealth around, other people's hard earned wealth, well then.....