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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2008, 09:05:22 AM »
So a group of machine-republicans and democrats in Alaska find that Palin did nothing illegal but make noise anyway in an attempt to damage her?

Why am I unimpressed?

I recall the Pacifica Radio interview with former Alaska Dem Senator Mike Gravel and he thought Palin not only did no wrong on this matter, but was clearly in the right for trying to get such a dangerous and out of control trooper canned.

"Do we have to wait for the guy to kill someone?"

http://ridgeliner7.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/sen-mike-gravel-praises-sarah-palin-pacifica-hosts-shocked/
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2008, 10:22:02 AM »
So a group of machine-republicans and democrats in Alaska find that Palin did nothing illegal but make noise anyway in an attempt to damage her?

Why am I unimpressed?

I recall the Pacifica Radio interview with former Alaska Dem Senator Mike Gravel and he thought Palin not only did no wrong on this matter, but was clearly in the right for trying to get such a dangerous and out of control trooper canned.

"Do we have to wait for the guy to kill someone?"

http://ridgeliner7.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/sen-mike-gravel-praises-sarah-palin-pacifica-hosts-shocked/

Personally, I think this makes Palin even MORE electable....now if we can only convince her to drop McCain from the ticket....
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2008, 10:30:07 AM »
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...McCain's numbers (and the sample of editorials covering the numbers) started slipping definitively when Palin was turned loose for interviews, in tandem with the falling stock market, and the conservative press became just as critical in some spots as the liberal press.

You're lumping a number of factors into one cause-and-effect argument. Yes, the McCain campaign tried to micro-manage Palin right after the convention, and that made for bad interviews. The Gibbons and Couric interviews would have been difficult for any candidate, though, had the questions been exactly the same and the same type of "editing" applied.

No argument here that McCain's poll numbers started to fall when the stock market numbers did, but that reflects the public's fear and the tendency to blame the party in the White House for whatever happens, whether it be hurricanes, stock market crashes, or bad episodes of "Sex in the City."

There was also a fear amongst many conservatives (including me) that Palin wouldn't do well without scripting. Once she was freed from her handlers, though, that fear abated. Even the conservative critics mentioned--Will, Parker--have acknowledged as much.

Back to the original topic, though. Monegan disobeyed a direct policy from the Palin administration, and went to DC to lobby. That was more than sufficient justification for her to fire him. The trooper, Wooten, was definitely not fit to serve, and could have even been considered a threat to the governor's family. His supervisor said as much.

Enter French, a Democrat with no small partisan ax to grind, and Monegan, who was looking for revenge. He and Monegan teamed up to get the investigation going. It was payback time for Palin.

There was never any doubt as to what this "investigation" was going to reveal, because the findings had already been written before the investigation started. And French made damn sure that the investigation concluded before November 4th, even though even the most inexperienced political observer can see the questionable timing.

Is this a serious problem for McCain/Palin? My guess is that the Obama campaign has been doing some polling. If you see a lot of ads about it, then it's a problem. If not, then the Obama camp found that it's a non-issue for voters.

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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2008, 10:38:12 AM »
they must have a union for troopers there or he woulda surely been fired long ago. he aknowledges he screwed up
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2008, 11:11:54 AM »
The timing is, well, "interesting," as is the timing of some other recent events.  You have to wonder...

Palin is neither fully formed nor "the answer," but she at least has the potential to represent the American people in their best and truest form, something I cannot say for the other three candidates.

It is truly absurd that Sarah Palin is being set up for censure, on rather questionable grounds, when D.C. and NYC currently represent a near inexhaustible supply of felonious examples of rank malfeasance and dereliction of duty.

We wink at Raines and Gorelick and we persecute Palin...?

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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2008, 12:29:26 PM »
We wink at Raines and Gorelick and we persecute Palin...?

Gorelick should be one of the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.  Between the "wall of separation" memo that enabled 9/11 and her hand in the sub-prime debacle, she is truly an enemy of America.
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2008, 02:27:46 PM »
they must have a union for troopers there or he woulda surely been fired long ago. he aknowledges he screwed up

That's exactly what the issue was-if he were an at will employee there wouldn't have been a scandal.
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2008, 12:00:57 PM »
I haven't read the report, nor will I any time soon, but I have been unimpressed with the portions I have read.  Bill Dyer has a good analysis here:

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/134db782-50f0-42e5-8171-791804d9fbc1

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The Branchflower Report is a series of guesses and insupportable conclusions drawn by exactly one guy, and it hasn't been approved or adopted or endorsed by so much as a single sub-committee of the Alaska Legislature, much less any kind of commission, court, jury, or other proper adjudicatory body.

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Here's a note to Mr. Branchflower, who clearly is verbose, but obviously none too keen a scholar of logic: Gov. Palin's so-called "firing" of Monegan (it wasn't a firing, it was a re-assignment to other government duties that he resigned rather than accept) can't simultaneously be a violation of the Ethics Act and "a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority." This, gentle readers, is a 263-page piece of political circus that actually explicitly refutes itself on its single most key page!

This hasn't stopped the left from saying she is guilty and unfit to serve as the VP.
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2008, 12:39:30 AM »
She's not guilty of a damn thing until a judge/jury says she is.

All this is is some legislative body saying "we think she did something cruddy, but it wasn't Illegal."

The whole thing is a yawner.


PS I still hate her.
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2008, 12:59:41 AM »
She's not guilty of a damn thing until a judge/jury says she is.

All this is is some legislative body saying "we think she did something cruddy, but it wasn't Illegal."

The whole thing is a yawner.


PS I still hate her.

I believe they concluded she violated the state ethics law, which prohibits using state offices or resources for any personal matter-and that the issue with the trooper was a personal one, given that he was divorcing her sister.   Not supposed to use the office of the governor to fire your ugly in-laws, it seems, under the Alaskan ethics rules.

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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2008, 01:34:22 AM »
She didn't fire her in-law.
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2008, 07:51:15 AM »
I believe they concluded she violated the state ethics law, which prohibits using state offices or resources for any personal matter-and that the issue with the trooper was a personal one, given that he was divorcing her sister.   Not supposed to use the office of the governor to fire your ugly in-laws, it seems, under the Alaskan ethics rules.

The problem being the legislative branch can "find" whatever it wants, but that's pretty meaningless IMHO unless it's backed up by some kind of prosecution in court.
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2008, 08:22:42 AM »
. . . Not supposed to use the office of the governor to fire your ugly in-laws, it seems, under the Alaskan ethics rules.
Ignoring the alleged death threats, poaching big game and child abuse (tasering a 10-year old) aren't enough reason to fire the guy?
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2008, 09:21:18 AM »
Ignoring the alleged death threats, poaching big game and child abuse (tasering a 10-year old) aren't enough reason to fire the guy?
When it comes to a lot of unions, nothing justifies firing a guy.

This isn't a scandal, just BS election hype. 

Would someone please post a timeline of event related to this?  I am sure someone knows off the top of their head.  I think some of these people on this board are confused as to when events happened like:  sister's divorce, the threats, Palin's initial complaints, election as governor, and firing of the supervisor.
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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2008, 09:57:46 AM »
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When it comes to a lot of unions, nothing justifies firing a guy.

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Re: Palin abused power, panel says
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2008, 07:19:47 PM »
Its all politcs...and the troopers up here have a lot of bad apples

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