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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2008, 01:19:11 AM »
It dropped here after my initial post, too.  It's down to $3.44.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2008, 01:30:34 AM »
"And I think you meant corn "maize."

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As for gasoline and how it's priced...

Remember, gasoline is a commodity that is traded SEPARATELY from crude oil, the same with any number of other distillates, such as home heating oil.

You don't buy a barrel of crude oil, and that sets the absolute price for the distillates.

While it's generally true that distillate prices follow the the price per barrel of crude, that's not always the case. Good example is home heating oil. You can have a falling price of crude but a strongly escalating price of home heating oil if demand for that product goes up due to a significantly colder than estimated winter.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2008, 01:30:36 AM »
At this rate, it will be free by Nov. 4.  That Dick Cheney, he's a slippery devil. 
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2008, 07:48:06 AM »
It odd yesterday.

I went over to Mtnbkr's for dinner. The gas in his area tends to be a bit cheaper than the gas in my area for some reason, so I normally tank up there.

There was a HUGE price differential from one side of his town to the other. I think the highest I saw was 3.32, while where I got gas near his house it was 2.99. And, on my way home I passed another station where I THINK the price dropped 16 cents a gallon between 5 p.m. and 10:30.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2008, 08:38:30 AM »
I can't figure the price any more.  Price of crude goes up and gasoline prices spike upward the same day or the day after.  Price goes down and gasoline takes it good old time slowly... slowly dropping in price.  That is the way it has always been.

So why was the price at the pump about the same when oil was $120 vs $150 a barrel?  At that point, I gave up trying to understand the whole thing and have moved into the "price gouging" or "get what you can" point of view.  Oil is a commodity.  From the gasoline retailer's perspective, sometimes you win and sometimes you loose or that is the way it should be.  If not, then make it a set price and don't change it regardless of the price of crude oil.

Price has not significantly changed downward in my area.  It is still running about $0.50 more per gallon than it ought to be.  My area typically was below the average national price consistantly until the last hurricane.  Now we are higher.

The IRS is now allowing $0.58 per mile for business travel.  I check the price far too rarely.  Last I saw it was around $0.50.  So you think you can charge your customer 50-cents a mile for a business travel.... heck no.  They kick and think you are gouging them just like the oil companies.  It is a catch 22 for the business owner; you just make less money.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2008, 10:54:38 AM »
Yesterday in the space of about 25 miles of highway I saw gas range from 2.99 up to 3.39 with the average being in the 3.teens.  Gas is falling pretty rapidly and theres no real average in my neck of the woods.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2008, 01:01:49 PM »
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I can't figure the price any more.  Price of crude goes up and gasoline prices spike upward the same day or the day after.  Price goes down and gasoline takes it good old time slowly... slowly dropping in price.  That is the way it has always been.

So why was the price at the pump about the same when oil was $120 vs $150 a barrel?  At that point, I gave up trying to understand the whole thing and have moved into the "price gouging" or "get what you can" point of view.  Oil is a commodity.  From the gasoline retailer's perspective, sometimes you win and sometimes you loose or that is the way it should be.  If not, then make it a set price and don't change it regardless of the price of crude oil.

Gasoline retailers gouging customers are in the minority. This is quite simplistic, but explains the situation.

Say I'm a gasoline retailer. I have 10,000 gallons in the ground, and I paid $1 a gallon. To make a profit and pay overhead, I charge $1.25 a gallon. 10,000 x $1.25 = $12,500. Need to set aside $10,000 of that for next week's gas delivery, and pay $1250 in overhead. Leaves me a $1250 profit.

I call my distributor to arrange next week's delivery. Distributor says "Due to the per barrel prices skyrocketing, I'm going to have to raise the price $.40 a gallon."

Let's see. To buy the same 10,000 gallons of gasoline, I'll have to come up with $14,000. I could not pay my overhead from last week and not take a profit, but I would still come up short by $1,500.

Only solution to keep me out of the red is to raise the price of the gasoline I already have in the ground. Immediately.

Say gas prices fall, and I have 10,000 gallons in the ground for which I paid $1.40 a gallon, my retail price $1.65. Current price is back to $1.00 a gallon wholesale. Some of the retailers in my area have that $1.00 a gallon gas in the ground, and are selling for $1.25 a gallon. To stay competive, I am going to have to lower my prices.
If I put the price at $1.25, I will be in the red $4000 on that $1.40 a gallon gasoline. So, I lower the price, reluctantly, and try to cut my losses as much as possible.

I may not have explained it clearly, but that's why retail gasoline prices rise quickly and fall slowly. 
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2008, 02:55:52 PM »
I find it interesting that in this area, diesel seems to be decreasing in price faster and at a greater percentage than regular unleaded.  At some stations, it is approaching parity.  Heretofore, it was significantly more expensive per gallon than regular unleaded.  I wonder what accounts for this price drop.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2008, 02:59:52 PM »
I find it interesting that in this area, diesel seems to be decreasing in price faster and at a greater percentage than regular unleaded.  At some stations, it is approaching parity.  Heretofore, it was significantly more expensive per gallon than regular unleaded.  I wonder what accounts for this price drop.

Maybe:

Economic slowdown = lower retail sales = fewer truck miles for goods delivery = less diesel consumed = price dropping rapidly?
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2008, 08:07:32 PM »
One of the stations that was 2.99 yesterday is 2.89 tonight.

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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2008, 11:01:56 PM »
It was $2.52 in Rich Hill, MO when I went through this afternoon.
I heard it was $1.99 at a station in Topeka,KS for a promotion.
I don't think we will see it below $2.00 around here again.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2008, 12:18:41 AM »
Currently $2.59 here in Wichita, KS last I checked. Came back from Oklahoma City, OK where gas was $2.49. It's crazy, gas seems to be dropping a few cents each day.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2008, 12:36:31 AM »
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2008, 12:48:29 AM »
Not complaining here, =D
"so I ended up getting the above because I didn't want to make a whole production of sticking something between my knees and cranking. To me, the cranking on mine is pretty effortless, at least on the coarse setting. Maybe if someone has arthritis or something, it would be more difficult for them." - Ben

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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2008, 01:06:46 AM »
Not sure about Fuel, but I have info from some reliable sources that oil is going down to the $35 per barrel area.

How or why I have no clue.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2008, 05:00:50 AM »
I'm not sure if anyone from CA chimed in, but the lowest price I've seen is $3.43 gal. as of yesterday.
It was $4.69 gal. not too long ago.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2008, 05:57:00 AM »
I'm not sure if anyone from CA chimed in, but the lowest price I've seen is $3.43 gal. as of yesterday.
It was $4.69 gal. not too long ago.

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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2008, 06:04:09 AM »
Y'all [ahnold]Kall-ee-forn-ee-ah[/ahnold] folks pay for your good weather through the nose.

...Good... weather? Are we talking about the same California here?
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2008, 06:15:51 AM »
Y'all [ahnold]Kall-ee-forn-ee-ah[/ahnold] folks pay for your good weather through the nose.

True, true.  =(

...Good... weather? Are we talking about the same California here?

Did you not know that the sun revolves around us Californians, as well as much of the universe?

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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2008, 08:22:16 AM »
$2.96 this morning in Fredericksburg, VA.  I hope it continues this trend, as I'm driving 800 miles on Friday. 

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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2008, 11:52:13 AM »
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Did you not know that the sun revolves around us Californians, as well as much of the universe?

I do not normally refer to 39-degree-Celsius weather as 'good'.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2008, 02:34:11 PM »
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I do not normally refer to 39-degree-Celsius weather as 'good'.
Where are you getting temps like that from? Barstow?

San Diego's right on the border with Mexico, and doesn't seem to go above 80 F=27 C (according to Weather.com's average weather graph). About the same with Los Angeles.

Oh. Fuel was 2.71 last night.

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« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2008, 03:39:02 PM »
yesteday I saw several signs out at $3.25.
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2008, 03:42:21 PM »
This morning the lower price is in the $3.05-$3.09/gal range here in SE TN.  Prices dropped by almost $0.40/gallon in one day at this one station.  Guess they got a new load of gasoline delivered.  I do understand how retailers deal with price increases and decreases.  But it seems to be prevalent at the refinery level too.  I guess the same economics applies to the refineries as well when they are dealing with an entire tanker load of crude oil.

We are just starting to see stations with multiple grades of gasoline available now.  It was only regular for about a month and as I said, many stations ran out of fuel and had none to replenish the supply since hurricane Ike hit Houston/Galveston area.  I believe there was rationing going on at the distributer level.  The gasoline supply problem has seemed to work itself out as of today.  Just think what a nuclear attack would do to gasoline supplies??  We live in a fragile world.  
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Re: Gasoline: How low will it go?
« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2008, 03:45:25 PM »
Pre-election price drops.

I've seen it in 02, 04, 06 and now in 08.  Most dramatically in 04, 06 and 08.

It'll go back up in December or January after we've all been duped.

This particular drop might be slightly helped by the political climate of pro-domestic drilling, but I still suspect it's mostly November Nervousness for oil companies, refineries and gasoline distributors.
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