Change.gov

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

what is this fear of community service for kids?  as someone who has lived with it and seen it in real life i found much good to it, unlike the fevered imaginings of some folks.

[French G.]

That would be the compulsory part plus the federal government part. If Ms. Jones' Civics class wants to do community service and everyone brings in a signed permission slip then that's fine. Federal gov't tells you to, not so fine. Right behind the ATF and the IRS, the Dept of Education is a building that should be vacant in DC. Since when is anything to do with education within the Federal Government's purview?

[French G.]

Has anyone else noticed that the Agenda link at change.gov no longer lists the specifics.

Chris

Yes, I see. Anyone save the page?

[RaspberrySurprise]

Another one down the memory hole.

[Boomhauer]

what is this fear of community service for kids?  as someone who has lived with it and seen it in real life i found much good to it, unlike the fevered imaginings of some folks.

It's slavery lite, so to speak.

It's forcing you to give up a portion of your life that could be spent elsewhere.

It's not "fevered imaginations"...it's called the truth. Forced "community service" is involuntary servitude.

I have a big problem with that. I don't give a damn about the "less fortunate" and I will not be forced to help them through "community service" forced upon me by the government. I already pay taxes. Get off my back.

If this plan is implemented, I will drop out of college.

If the plan is extended to the general population and not as a condition of attending college/ public school, I will resist. I aim to misbehave.

[KPT]

Yes, I see. Anyone save the page?

http://www.youshare.com/Guest/a54240bed3fee607.pdf.html

If anyone has a better host let me know. I happened to leave that page opened in a web browser and printed it to a PDF when I noticed the page was gone off the server.

[Boomhauer]

Good work!

Can't stop the signal...

[French G.]

I need to find the whole page. The Google cache had the sub-categories but when you click on them it told you the page wasn't available.

[taurusowner]

what is this fear of community service for kids?  as someone who has lived with it and seen it in real life i found much good to it, unlike the fevered imaginings of some folks.

It's not the good of community service that matters.  It's the idea that the Federal Government is forcing servitude on people.

[neviander]

Yes, I see. Anyone save the page?

I heard about that on the radio today....vedy interesting, ja?

[Nick1911]

I need to find the whole page. The Google cache had the sub-categories but when you click on them it told you the page wasn't available.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7852901/Urban-Policy-Change

[buzz_knox]

what is this fear of community service for kids?  as someone who has lived with it and seen it in real life i found much good to it, unlike the fevered imaginings of some folks.

What is the service being ordered?  Cleaning up trash or volunteering to register Democratic voters?  Going to a retirement community or being window dressing for a "ban the guns for the children" rally?

I've done community service as well.  It was performed with the sole agenda of helping individuals in need.  I do not trust the government to have similarly pure motives because 1) I know this is far too good an opportunity for indoctrination to pass up and 2) history teaches us that those who might abuse this will. 

[Manedwolf]

Good work!

Can't stop the signal...

I keep reminding people that the guy who said that was immediately run through with a sword.

[Fjolnirsson]

I keep reminding people that the guy who said that was immediately run through with a sword.

True. Didn't stop the signal though, did it?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

It's not the good of community service that matters.  It's the idea that the Federal Government is forcing servitude on people.

i've never seen the feds force anyone. but i've seen some schools require it and the effect/result i saw was good. granted this was in real life and that does tend to foul up the outrage.  montgomery county md tried it  same good result till some of the elitist parents sued. same folks who sued the power company after issabel. their power was out cause the trees they sued to save fell on the power lines

[Gewehr98]

Nothing "fevered" about it.  I'll sue, too, if Obama et alia try to force some sort of lame-assed community service on my family. 

If I got a DUI or didn't pay child support and got caught, sure, then I owe the community some trash pickup time, or worse.

My government, however, will not mandate I do it, and I guarantee that such a grandiose scheme won't come to fruition if those of us holding our freedoms dear have any say in the matter.

All Obama has to do is call it something cute like "Americorps", and get starry-eyed believers to do it of their own volition.  No need to mandate community service, short of some Socialist goal of his...

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

the programs that i saw implemented required a kid to put in an hour a month. horrific things  like going to an old folks home reading to the old folks. or tutoring younger kids. interestingly enough the kids got into it. and the school it workd bst at was sidwell friends.  never saw any bad come of it  never heard a kid whine  just the parents. and usually about what an imposition it was to have to take junior

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

can someone point to a negative experience?  in real life? i hate to impose that kinda limitation

[Gewehr98]

I'm not so sure you understand what you're advocating, C&SD.

We all sang Christmas hymns at nursing homes as schoolkids.  That's part of the whole parochial school experience, and it was damned educational, because now I'd rather have a bullet in my head than sit there in a wheelchair waiting for a nurse to change my Depends.

However, you don't want mandatory conscription in some social experiment forced upon you by the FedGov.  Well, maybe you do, but I sure's hell don't.   

What if you didn't want to do said service?  Could you opt out without repercussion or gulag time?  Would your name go on a list?  Would it be like jury duty?  Would it be something cool, like taking a PETA believer on a deer hunt?  Would you be changing diapers on an old guy in a nursing home?

Again, be careful what you wish for.  You just might get it.   

[longeyes]

It always starts with Good Intentions.

It's up to each of us to change ourselves; we don't need elected officials to offer us "Transcendence."

Read to kids?  But WHAT are you reading them?  We all used to think public education was harmless too Once Upon A Time.  Maybe we're starting to realize it wasn't so innocuous after all?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i don't know about those scenarios you imagined. again in the real world the kids i saw could chose from a pretty wide list of suggestions as well as had the option of choseing their own form of service. some picked things that would qualify as an eagle scout project. pretty subversive stuff. again i am limited by what i saw in montgomery county before the whining parents fixed things, your imagination may vary.

jerking the me generation away from being totally self absorbed isn't a bad thing

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

"Read to kids?  But WHAT are you reading them?  We all used to think public education was harmless too Once Upon A Time.  Maybe we're starting to realize it wasn't so innocuous after all?"

they were tutoring the kids  and quit often the reading at the old folks home was real subversive. imagine a teenager reading the bible to an older person who can't any longer.  the horror overwhelms me even today when i think back on it. the brainwashing of the kids was so insidious that some of em kept up their evil activity even after the parents sued the blight away.

[mtnbkr]

jerking the me generation away from being totally self absorbed isn't a bad thing

Bottom line: That is my job, not the govt's. 

Chris

[Gewehr98]

I'd be one of those whining parents too, if what they wanted my kid to do rubbed me the wrong way. However, that's a school program, not a federal, nation-wide program.  There is a difference, and a dangerous one at that.

There are so many gullible people in this country, who could easily be duped into doing whatever the next administration wants them to do under the guise of "Change" and "Community Service".  They'll do it for The Chosen One, no questions asked, and no indulgences even need be sold.

Let them carry the torch.  They neither need nor deserve Constitutional protection from mandatory FedGov conscription or whatever else it is that the administration wants to call it.

"The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions..."

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Bottom line: That is my job, not the govt's. 

Chris

i agree  and i am sure you do

so if the schools there made community service part of their program would you be opposed?in my case/experience i would think of it as upgrading the behavior of the kids my heathen were rubbing elbows with. cause i can assure you that many other parents aren't doing anything to disabuse lil jane and johnny of the idea that they are the center of the universe. then again i liked prayer in school too