SCOTUS wants to see Obama's Birth Certificate

[ronnyreagan]

Even suggesting such a thing makes one a racist.  :rolleyes:

Well, I wouldn't call it racist, but I can certainly see the parallels. The people who insist that just one more piece of evidence will satisfy them are always going to find another flaw (I mean can we REALLY trust the supreme justices???) They seem irrationally adamant that they are correct without any evidence to support their position all the while dismissing any evidence they are wrong. The conspiracy over John McCain being born out of the country was just as stupid, yet some people ignored that and latched right on to this. It probably isn't racism that's driving it, but that would be a good explanation for why people are so irrationally obsessed with this conspiracy. My guess is that it's an acute case of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

[ctdonath]

McCain showed his paperwork, the issue was addressed, and he was deemed suitably qualified. He didn't stonewall.

Obama hasn't shown his paperwork (save just one legitimately questionable voucher), is stifling anyone addressing the issue, and there is enough circumstantial evidence for a reasonable person to ask a reasonable question re: qualification. He's stonewalling.

Funny how the solution is simply hand over one sheet of paper to a judge, and the whole thing goes away - yet it's those asking for that paper that are beeing accused of Obama Derangement Syndrome. ...unless he's not qualified, in which case the whole shouting match is justified. Occam's Razor.

No evidence of qualification has been shown, so don't go flinging charges of racism or derangement or irrationality.
One piece of paper is enough - even if irrelevant (embarassing?) material thereon is redacted. Show it or shut it.

[charby]

I've gotten a couple emails today from various GOP type groups talking about the birth certificate and please send some money for the fight.

[charby]

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
Birth Certificate


http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamamarriage.jpg
Marriage license

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

could all the stonewalling be about his mothers marital status vis a vis dad? or the absence thereof?

[De Selby]

What he is supposed to do is supply a certified copy or better yet his verifiable original birth certificate to the appropriate authority for verification of his eligibility to be president of the United States.

Two questions here:

1.  Who did John McCain show his papers to?

2.  Who is the "appropriate authority for verification"?  Last I checked, there is no such language in the Constitution. 

Obama showed his birth certificate to third parties, then posted it online so the entire country could see.  To say that he hasn't shown it is simply laughable-it's just that you don't want to accept that Obama actually did show his birth certificate and post it online.

How does producing the original birth certificate for inspection, then posting it online for everyone to see, constitute "stonewalling"?

Like I said, it appears that the demand is for 290 million certified copies to be ordered and sent out so everyone can be happy.  But of course, then we'll just see claims that the State of HI is in on the conspiracy, along with the Supreme Court.

[AZRedhawk44]

SS:

Look at the green birth certificate above.

Look at the text... Honolulu, Oahu, Honolulu.

Do you see ANY green dashes or hashes through the hollow parts of the O's?

I don't.  That green paper is a stock paper supposedly fed through a laser printer to generate this document.  Those green dashes/hashes are already on it prior to printing, and text should lay on top of it.

And what about all the weird pixelation around "Child's Name:  Barack Hussein Obama II" ?

And seriously... if we have his name and birthdate and mother's maiden name... What's the friggin' big deal with leaving the thing alone regarding the Certificate Number in the upper right?  That counts as an alteration, which voids the validity of the document as stated on the bottom of it.  Let's see the original hardcopy filed by the clerk on August 8th, and let's see the Birth Certificate from the doctor.

[De Selby]

AZRedhawk,

Are you being sarcastic? I honestly cannot tell if you are, because if you were serious, that would mean sending certified copies to millions of people and then doing a big hand-me-along with the original from the 60's?

Does the fact that the HI .gov has verified that this is in fact a valid birth certificate count?

How about all the media folks that he invited to see the paper first hand?

[gunsmith]

gee whiz shootinstudent, COLB COLB COLB it aint a birth certificate

. Q Who is the "appropriate authority for verification"?  Last I checked, there is no such language in the Constitution.

Ascotus is good enough 4 me.

QWho did John McCain show his papers to?

A the vietcong

why block the cert number? Is someone going to steal the pres elects identity?

I hope we can use this issue as a wedge, it would be great to deport that arrogant gun grabber.

[De Selby]

gee whiz shootinstudent, COLB COLB COLB it aint a birth certificate Ascotus is good enough 4 me.A .

Okay, what will the posted certificate not do, that a "birth certificate" will?

And do we have to radio-carbon date the original, to prove it was from 1961?  Or will you just accept that the original is original because it has 1961 written on it?

This issue is not a wedge-it's a huge boost for Obama, because it makes his opponents look like a gaggle of conspiracy theorists.

[red headed stranger]

could all the stonewalling be about his mothers marital status vis a vis dad? or the absence thereof?

I personally suspect that this may be the case. 

[ShelleyB.]

SS:

Look at the green birth certificate above.

Look at the text... Honolulu, Oahu, Honolulu.

Do you see ANY green dashes or hashes through the hollow parts of the O's?

I don't.  That green paper is a stock paper supposedly fed through a laser printer to generate this document.  Those green dashes/hashes are already on it prior to printing, and text should lay on top of it.

And what about all the weird pixelation around "Child's Name:  Barack Hussein Obama II" ?

And seriously... if we have his name and birthdate and mother's maiden name... What's the friggin' big deal with leaving the thing alone regarding the Certificate Number in the upper right?  That counts as an alteration, which voids the validity of the document as stated on the bottom of it.  Let's see the original hardcopy filed by the clerk on August 8th, and let's see the Birth Certificate from the doctor.

Exactly. The electronic version being widely disbursed is NOT an original. As pointed out above, why is the certificate number blocked out?

I suspect because the number would have to be chronologically correct for the alleged birth date AND possibly tie into other records which would have recorded that certificate number, necessitating more than one fake document and tampering with existing actual records.

In this day and age, with Photoshop and forgers, it's way too easy to produce a false document.

Asking why Obama or his disciples weren't straightforward initially is assuming he IS a legal citizen. His actions belie that belief.

Or as we say here, that dog don't hunt.

[ronnyreagan]

And the cycle repeats itself. Evidence is provided, and it is immediately claimed to be part of the conspiracy. Providing further evidence will always meet the same result.

Ask yourself if it would make you happy to discover Obama is not eligible to be president. Now do you think that maybe you're so upset about his election that you're being a little bit irrational? That maybe you're dismissing all the evidence that you're wrong because if you're right it would mean that the big bad evil liberal socialist Obama won't take office? Maybe this is your way of dealing with a resounding defeat at the polls?

[BrokenPaw]

Look at the text... Honolulu, Oahu, Honolulu.
Do you see ANY green dashes or hashes through the hollow parts of the O's?

AZ,

Leaving aside for the moment the debate about Obama'a legitimacy, the artifacts that you're seeing in the image of the COLB are likely from the fact that it's a JPEG image, not necessarily because of anything more nefarious than that.

If you look closely at all of the text, you'll see that it all has a sort of muddy 'halo' around it.  This is a consequence of the JPEG compression, and is present in pretty much any .jpg file that has high-contrast text in it. 

Not saying that this legitimizes the COLB presented, just saying that the artifacts you pointed out don't necessarily mean anything.

-BP

[AZRedhawk44]

AZ,

Leaving aside for the moment the debate about Obama'a legitimacy, the artifacts that you're seeing in the image of the COLB are likely from the fact that it's a JPEG image, not necessarily because of anything more nefarious than that.

If you look closely at all of the text, you'll see that it all has a sort of muddy 'halo' around it.  This is a consequence of the JPEG compression, and is present in pretty much any .jpg file that has high-contrast text in it. 

Not saying that this legitimizes the COLB presented, just saying that the artifacts you pointed out don't necessarily mean anything.

-BP

The only time I've ever seen artifacts like that are when doing copy and paste or text insertion operations onto a png/jpeg type file.  You'll notice the other document (marriage certificate), while being larger, has extremely clear and crisp text and all watermarks can be seen through the hollows of the letters in the document.

I don't doubt that the Obamas are married.

I just don't believe in that particular COLB's validity.  I don't need 290 million copies though... One good original birth certificate for the SCOTUS will do just fine.

[MechAg94]

Personally, I agree with others that his election is likely legitimate, but he is concealing something else that he didn't want made public.  Have his college records been made public yet?

[gunsmith]

Ask yourself if it would make you happy to discover Obama is not eligible to be president

Happy doesn't really describe it, more like ecstatic.

When this issue came to my attention I dismissed it, but the B.C and College papers and I remember all the scrutiny G.W got.
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander

[Iain]

I went on holiday with a friend recently. Seems he has aspirations to be a politician, and is very conscious of where records of him may exist - he's not on facebook for instance.

He got very upset when I left a comment in a guestbook that might be construed as meaning that he (full name not used) is a whoopsie. Now I know why.

All the tedious political types I have ever known are apparently fully aware that there are equally tedious potential political enemies who want to see every original till receipt from the date of their conception. Scans not acceptable because we've all seen the pixels.

[ShelleyB.]

Personally, I agree with others that his election is likely legitimate,

Including all the ACORN registered voters?

[Harold Tuttle]

the above is a very recent reissue based on data in the system

We need to see something from 1961

Otherwise we are clearing the way for the Arnold Schwarzenegger for President Jihad

[ArfinGreebly]

Schwarzenegger Library?  Ah, yes, the 61st Amendment.

Lenina Huxley:  I have, in fact, perused some newsreels in the Schwarzenegger Library, and the time that you took that car...
JohnSpartan:  Hold it.  The Schwarzenegger Library?
Lenina Huxley:  Yes.  The Schwarzenegger Presidential Library.  Wasn't he an actor when you...?
JohnSpartan:  Stop!  He was President?
Lenina Huxley:  Yes!  Even though he was not born in this country, his popularity at the time caused the 61st Amendment which states...
JohnSpartan:  I don't wanna know.  President...

Life imitating art.

[Tallpine]

The thing that bothers me the most about Obama's "birth certificate" is the date. 

Since when did we let these young whippersnappers be President ? 

A President ought to be older than me. 

[bscl]

the above is a very recent reissue based on data in the system

We need to see something from 1961

Otherwise we are clearing the way for the Arnold Schwarzenegger for President Jihad

The stationary on which that was printed looks exactly like the one they used for my son's - and he was born two years ago.  My HI birth cert (from the 70's) is almost as small as a business card. 

[red headed stranger]

If it is so dang obvious, why is SCOTUS getting involved?

I would also like to point out that just because the SCOTUS is involved doesn't mean that Berg had a particularly valid claim.  The appeal was brought to them.   That, in and of itself, does not indicate the veracity of Bergs claims.  There is a response expected from Obama and the DNC because that is simply the proper procedure when a writ is brought to the court. 

I am not surprised that Berg's case was thrown out. Many elements of his complaint assumed facts not in evidence or referenced in any way.  Standing is the least of his problems.  His complaint read more like grandstanding that an actual serious motion.  He has some serious issues on the merits. 

[bscl]

You notice the faint backwards numbers near the bottom of the COLB?  That's the date the document was notarized - the stamp is on the back of the cert - looks like 2007.