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Ann Coulter at her best, again
« on: November 27, 2008, 12:24:17 AM »
I love reading Ann Coulter's columns. Today's is very good:

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I thought the rest of the world was going to love us if we elected B. Hussein Obama! Somebody better tell the Indian Muslims.

As everyone but President-elect B. Hussein Obama's base knows, many of the Guantanamo detainees cannot be sent to their home countries, cannot be released and cannot be tried. They need to be held in some form of extra-legal limbo the rest of their lives, sort of like Phil Spector.

And now they're Obama's problem.

If Obama wants his detention of Islamic terrorists to be dramatically different from Bush's Guantanamo, my suggestion is that he cut off -- so to speak -- the expensive prosthetic limb procedures now being granted the detained terrorists.

Far from being sodomized and tortured by U.S. forces -- as Obama's base has wailed for the past seven years -- the innocent scholars and philanthropists being held at Guantanamo have been given expensive, high-tech medical procedures at taxpayer expense. If we're not careful, multitudes of Muslims will be going to fight Americans in Afghanistan just so they can go to Guantanamo and get proper treatment for attention deficit disorder and erectile dysfunction.

After being captured fighting with Taliban forces against Americans in 2001, Abdullah Massoud was sent to Guantanamo, where the one-legged terrorist was fitted with a special prosthetic leg, at a cost of $50,000-$75,000 to the U.S. taxpayer. Under the Americans With Disabilities Act, Massoud would now be able to park his car bomb in a handicapped parking space!

No, you didn't read that wrong, because the VA won't pay for your new glasses. I said $75,000. I would have gone with hanging at sunrise, but what do I know?

Upon his release in March 2004, Massoud hippity-hopped back to Afghanistan and quickly resumed his war against the U.S. Aided by his new artificial leg, just months later, in October 2004, Massoud masterminded the kidnapping of two Chinese engineers in Pakistan working on the Gomal Zam Dam project.

This proved, to me at least, that people with disabilities can do anything they put their minds to. Way to go, you plucky extremist!

Massoud said he had nothing against the Chinese but wanted to embarrass Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf for cooperating with the Americans. You know, the Americans who had just footed -- you should pardon the expression -- a $75,000 bill for his prosthetic leg.

Pakistani forces stormed Massoud's hideout, killing all the kidnappers, including Massoud. Only one of the Chinese engineers was rescued alive.

As a result of the kidnapping, the Chinese pulled all 100 engineers and dam workers out of Pakistan, and work on the dam ceased. This was bad news for the people of Pakistan -- but good news for the endangered Pakistani snail darter!

In none of the news accounts I read of Massoud's return to jihad after his release from Guantanamo is there any mention of the fact that his prosthetic leg was acquired in Guantanamo, courtesy of American taxpayers after he was captured trying to kill Americans on the battlefield in Afghanistan.

News about the prosthetic leg might interfere with stories of the innocent aid workers being held captive at Guantanamo in George Bush's AmeriKKKa.

To the contrary, although Massoud's swashbuckling reputation as a jihadist with a prosthetic leg appears in many news items, where he got that leg is almost purposely hidden -- even lied about.

"Abdullah Massoud ... had earned both sympathy and reverence for his time in Guantanamo Bay. ... Upon his release, he made it home to Waziristan and resumed his war against the U.S. With his long hair, his prosthetic limb and impassioned speeches, he quickly became a charismatic inspiration to Waziristan's youth." -- The New York Times

He's not a one-legged terrorist -- he's a freedom fighter living with a disability. I think we could all learn something about courage from this man.

"He lost his leg in a landmine explosion a few days before the fall of Kabul to the Taliban in September 1996. It didn't dampen his enthusiasm as a fighter and he got himself an artificial leg later, says Yusufzai."( -- The Indo-Asian News Service

Where? At COSTCO?

"The 29-year-old Massoud, who lost his left leg in a landmine explosion while fighting alongside the Taliban, often used to ride a horse or camel because his disability made it painful for him to walk long distances in hilly areas." -- BBC Monitoring South Asia

Side-saddle, I'm guessing. And you just know those caves along the Afghan-Pakistan border aren't wheelchair accessible.

"He was educated in Peshawar and was treated in Karachi after his left leg was blown up in a landmine explosion in the Wreshmin Tangi gorge near Kabul in September 1996. He now walks with an artificial leg specifically made for him in Karachi." -- Gulf News (United Arab Emirates)

Karachi? Hey, how do I get into this guy's HMO?

They can't lick leprosy in Karachi, but the Gulf News tells us Massoud got his artificial leg at one of their specialty hospitals.

Anyone who thinks the Guantanamo detainees can be released without consequence doesn't have a leg to stand on.


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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2008, 12:26:54 AM »
Fine.  Then we either charge them, and put them through the courts, or release them once the war is over.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2008, 01:26:37 AM »
Sheesh. Some people have no sense of humor.

Besides, if we bring them to civilian courts stateside and try them as criminals, how will the often-classified intelligence that contributed to their capture be kept secret?

Further, if we're to hold them until the war is over, who decides when the war on terror is over?

Ann Coulter is going in one direction with her points (and with humor), and you're going off in another (without humor).

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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2008, 03:05:00 AM »
She thinks Guantanamo is a health club, or what?  Or is this whole silly old fashioned notion of "trial and proof of guilt required for criminal punishment" that is the punch line?  I don't get the joke.


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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2008, 03:07:30 AM »


Further, if we're to hold them until the war is over, who decides when the war on terror is over?



I don't know, in a regular war people set some form of conditions, and then when they reach them, they consider themselves victorious, whether it is 'capture land Y' or 'defeat Army Z'.

What are our victory conditions for this one?
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2008, 03:28:38 AM »
She thinks Guantanamo is a health club, or what?  Or is this whole silly old fashioned notion of "trial and proof of guilt required for criminal punishment" that is the punch line?  I don't get the joke.




the joke is we paid for a leg and fixed him up, released him and he went back to his terrorist ways and Anne said

""Anyone who thinks the Guantanamo detainees can be released without consequence doesn't have a leg to stand on.""
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2008, 03:32:13 AM »

the joke is we paid for a leg and fixed him up, released him and he went back to his terrorist ways and Anne said

""Anyone who thinks the Guantanamo detainees can be released without consequence doesn't have a leg to stand on.""

Yeah, the problem with that joke is that it isn't clear who it's on:  Did he go terrorist because he spent a few years with a bag on his head and intermittently being water-boarded, or was he always that way?  Hard to tell, but it's definitely not a stretch to believe a passive person could become violent after that.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2008, 03:42:43 AM »
This would all be nice if the people in Gitmo were just guys we caught in the field of battle. Then it would make sense. But a lot of them are guys that even the DoD doesn't claim are terrorists.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2008, 07:27:05 AM »
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News about the prosthetic leg might interfere with stories of the innocent aid workers being held captive at Guantanamo in George Bush's AmeriKKKa.

Well, heck. I thought they were community organizers.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2008, 10:07:29 PM »
The joke is on the US. We got what we paid for. We are getting what we deserve as these elected officials are in fact elected to office to appoint judges and administer the business of the country.
The result of USSC and detention rules and rules of engagement forcing the coddling of non uniformed enemy combatants will result in fewer captures and less live Intel gathering from interrogation.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2008, 10:32:28 PM »
The joke is on the US. We got what we paid for. We are getting what we deserve as these elected officials are in fact elected to office to appoint judges and administer the business of the country.
The result of USSC and detention rules and rules of engagement forcing the coddling of non uniformed enemy combatants will result in fewer captures and less live Intel gathering from interrogation.

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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2008, 12:59:00 AM »
Yeah, so sorry they won't be able to capture people who are not even combatants abroad. That is so terrible. My heart bleeds.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2008, 01:46:46 AM »
Yeah, so sorry they won't be able to capture people who are not even combatants abroad. That is so terrible. My heart bleeds.

I don't know, but it looks to me like Anne Coulter is saying that in order to defend liberty, we have to be able to lock people without charge, trial, or evidence, for the rest of time.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2008, 01:50:34 AM »
I don't know, but it looks to me like Anne Coulter is saying that in order to defend liberty, we have to be able to lock people without charge, trial, or evidence, for the rest of time.

She endorsed Duncan Hunter in the primaries. Then she endorsed Mitt Romney.

This is also the woman who opposes drug legalization out of spite. I kid you not.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2008, 01:52:57 AM »
I don't know, but it looks to me like Anne Coulter is saying that in order to defend liberty, we have to be able to lock people without charge, trial, or evidence, for the rest of time.
                   

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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2008, 01:54:32 AM »
When I saw the title of the thread, I thought it was in reference to her having her mouth wired shut.   =)
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2008, 01:55:00 AM »
If they're the enemy, its either that or kill them. How do you think the Soviets and the rest of the Allies defeated the Nazi's?                      



By fighting on the battlefield, and keeping captured troops mostly in accordance with the Geneva conventions until Germany surrendered, at which point they were released home.

Even saboteurs from Germany and Americans who were helping the Germans got trials back then to ensure that they were actually guilty of a crime...the good old days, I guess.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2008, 01:55:35 AM »
If they're the enemy, its either that or kill them. How do you think the Soviets and the rest of the Allies defeated the Nazi's?                      



There are people in Gitmo who even the Department of Defense claims are not enemy combatants.

Imagine the Allies, during WW2, kidnapped, say, an Argentinian government official and tortured him for five years.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2008, 01:56:49 AM »
She endorsed Duncan Hunter in the primaries. Then she endorsed Mitt Romney.

This is also the woman who opposes drug legalization out of spite. I kid you not.

hmm, what do ya mean?
Personally I am for legalization of all drugs, prostitution, and for lowering the drinking age and the age of consent to 16, thats how old I was when I commenced to give up the boy scouts and discovered the joys and perils of girls and liquor.

whats this about Anne C spite/drugs...just curious I'm not saying it aint true


edited to add, oh, I read the article thatnks
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2008, 02:02:14 AM »
I linked to the A-C article where Coulter says outright she opposes legalization to piss off libertarians.

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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2008, 02:02:45 AM »
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2008, 02:04:24 AM »
In the good old days people like my uncle stormed the beach at Normandy and shot every Nazi they saw...period.

People like your uncle took 400,000 POWs.

http://www.traces.org/germanpows.html

Observe them having no sacks on their heads:



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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2008, 08:38:29 AM »
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In the good old days people like my uncle stormed the beach at Normandy and shot every Nazi they saw...period.

No, we didn't.  My grandfather (a mechanic, I'm the only guy on the Internet whose family did not single-handed win WWII) took two Germans prisoners in March of '45.  His workshop truck thingy broke down and two kids younger than he walked up to surrender.  Grandpa always talked about them, about how they suffered and seemed truly grateful for the food and cigarettes that they received.

Nazism died with Hitler.  Islam cannot die with anyone's death.  It is an endless fountain of new soldiers.

When we fought the Muslims before, we executed their leaders and let the soldiers go.  I see no reason not to do this now.
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Re: Ann Coulter at her best, again
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2008, 10:09:39 AM »
Yeah, so sorry they won't be able to capture people who are not even combatants abroad. That is so terrible. My heart bleeds.
I suspect the number of detainees will drop as the troops in the field no longer bother to make any effort to capture these adherents of the religion of peace. That will tend to solve the detainee problem.
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