Air raid!

[roo_ster]

Reprisals on the ground? How, precisely?

There is a system of concrete walls and minefields between me and the bad guys, reinforced by multiple infantry brigades, armor, artillery, and the IAF.

When a single person gets past the walls to be shot by border patrol troops, it makes news and heads roll.

I want some of that sort of border control for OUR borders.

[Manedwolf]

Reprisals on the ground? How, precisely?

There is a system of concrete walls and minefields between me and the bad guys, reinforced by multiple infantry brigades, armor, artillery, and the IAF.

When a single person gets past the walls to be shot by border patrol troops, it makes news and heads roll.

Besides, centerfire rifles are prohibited for civilian ownership.

Um. The people who are already IN Israel? The ones who likely have some AKs stashed somewhere? Or who might do the Killdozer thing again, or run into a cafe with a bulging jacket, screaming "allah akbar"?

Hate to tell you, but it's pretty likely you've got a number of sleeper cells among your population!

[MicroBalrog]

Um. The people who are already IN Israel? The ones who likely have some AKs stashed somewhere? Or who might do the Killdozer thing again, or run into a cafe with a bulging jacket, screaming "allah akbar"?

Hate to tell you, but it's pretty likely you've got a number of sleeper cells among your population!

1. The bulging-jacket thing already ended.

2. The govenrment doesn't think that civilian guns are good - in part because they might end up in Muslim hands and in part because they mistrust even the Jewish population. If they thought otherwise, the threat of normal crime (Which is actually far bigger than the threat of terrorism and growing) would be enough.

Note one of the few people in Israel who thinks more guns in civilian hands is better is actually a non-Jew, Ayoob Kara. I'll be voting for him, too!

[Manedwolf]

1. The bulging-jacket thing already ended.

2. The govenrment doesn't think that civilian guns are good - in part because they might end up in Muslim hands and in part because they mistrust even the Jewish population. If they thought otherwise, the threat of normal crime (Which is actually far bigger than the threat of terrorism and growing) would be enough.

Note one of the few people in Israel who thinks more guns in civilian hands is better is actually a non-Jew, Ayoob Kara. I'll be voting for him, too!

You really think they're not going to go right back to suicide bombing?

And...um. The Islamic terrorists have an endless supply of AKs and RPG-7s. They don't need 5.56 weapons. I'm sure the government doesn't realize that, of course.

[MicroBalrog]

You really think they're not going to go right back to suicide bombing?

Suicide bombing requires bombmakers to recruit the idiot and to prepare his vest. It mostly ended when we left Gaza and got effective border security.

And...um. The Islamic terrorists have an endless supply of AKs and RPG-7s. They don't need 5.56 weapons. I'm sure the government doesn't realize that, of course.

1. Hamas and Hez are pretty happy with stolen M16's, too.

2. THE GOVERNMENT HERE IS RETARDED. Please just accept that.

[41magsnub]

Suicide bombing requires bombmakers to recruit the idiot and to prepare his vest. It mostly ended when we left Gaza and got effective border security.

1. Hamas and Hez are pretty happy with stolen M16's, too.

2. THE GOVERNMENT HERE IS RETARDED. Please just accept that.

Yep, lots of the pictures over the years have been Palestinians carrying M16's.  Must be an honor thing, carrying a captured weapon like counting coup or something.  Wasn't there also a shipment of M16s that ended up there for some reason?  I'm trying and failing to remember the circumstances.

[MicroBalrog]

A lot of them get stolen from the Army. Also, we used to allow shipments of weapons to factions that we approve of (FATAH, basically), but they end up being slaughtered and HAMAS ends up capturing their gear.

Captured weapons are rare due to our casualties being sort of low. :D

But again, several hundred guns a year get stolen, of course. :D

[Manedwolf]

I am just shaking my head at the UN, the Europansies (not people from Europe, but the leaders) and the nooz calling it a "humanitarian crisis" as the Palis CONTINUE to fire rockets into Israel.

At some point, you get tired of being shoved and have to just turn and punch the shove-er as hard as you can. That's what's happening right now. And they brought it on themselves.

Israeli leaders have said the operation might be long. "The goal of our current operation is to ... create a situation where Israeli civilians living in the south of the country no longer have to live in constant fear of a Hamas rocket attack," government spokesman Mark Regev said Monday.

About. Freaking. TIME.

[MicroBalrog]

IDF: Hamas' military wing intact

Army preparing for next stage of Operation Cast Lead; senior officers support launching of ground incursion in Gaza to substantiate Israeli deterrence, say Hamas still capable of carrying out extensive ops
Hanan Greenberg

Despite the Israeli Air Force's massive strikes throughout the Gaza Strip in the last three days, military sources estimated Monday that Hamas' military wing was still intact and that it was capable of carrying out substantial operations in the near future.

Meanwhile, the IDF was preparing Monday for the next stage of Operation Cast Lead, which will see ground forces entering the Strip.
 
Large forces and heavy machinery are already stationed near Gaza, and the IDF is holding deliberations aimed at determining the nature of the ground incursion. The army is inclined to broaden the operation in order to boost Israel's deterrence vis-à-vis Hamas.

 

The forces on the ground have already been informed of the missions they will likely be ordered to carry out, including maneuvers aimed at locating and neutralizing terror infrastructure and targeting Hamas forces.


The army continues to monitor the developments in other fronts, including the West bank and southern Lebanon. At present the situation in the West Bank is relatively quiet, excluding several minor incidents and no escalation has been registered on the northern border.
 

However, the security forces are preparing for the possibility that Palestinian factions might attempt to launch rockets at Israel as a sign of solidarity with Hamas, or that Hizbullah might launch terror attacks via groups in the area.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3646718,00.html

[txgho1911]

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=17867

Another report mentions 2 arabs stabing several people at a service call and a passerby shooting one.

[txgho1911]

As far as non Israelis within Israel. Or non Jew.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129080

Family from Gaza maybe?

[Manedwolf]

Free Gaza boat will try to reach Strip
Dec. 29, 2008
Associated Press , THE JERUSALEM POST

A group of international activists said it would defy an Israeli blockade and send a boat with medical supplies to Gaza from Cyprus.

Free Gaza Group spokeswoman Caoimhe Butterly said their 20-meter yacht Dignity would leave Larnaca port around 5 p.m. (1400GMT) Monday with 3.5 tons of donated supplies.

She said the yacht would carry 16 passengers, including former US Congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney, Cypriot lawmaker and doctor Eleni Theocharous and activists from Britain, Australia, Ireland and Tunisia.

Butterly said the urgent need to deliver aid requested by Gaza authorities "outweighs the risks" of entering a war zone.

Free Gaza has successfully made five deliveries of aid by boat from Larnaca to Gaza over the past four months.

Go stay with your new friends, crazyhead. Don't come back.

[Boomhauer]

Is it wrong to hope for what I'm hoping for?

[Mabs2]

Is it wrong to hope for what I'm hoping for?

Yes.



Pervert.

[Desertdog]

The operation in Gaza started as of today. The Palestinians are firing their rockets in return, and the army instructed everybody all the way up to Ashdod to stay indoors. Nobody really cares about the warning, and people keep with their daily shopping and so forth.

I do believe that this needs correcting. 

The Palestinians are firing their rockets in return,

  Actually the Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel for the past 8 years, and even the MSM says so. 
After 8 years the Israelies are firing back.

[RevDisk]

2. The govenrment doesn't think that civilian guns are good - in part because they might end up in Muslim hands and in part because they mistrust even the Jewish population. If they thought otherwise, the threat of normal crime (Which is actually far bigger than the threat of terrorism and growing) would be enough.

Note one of the few people in Israel who thinks more guns in civilian hands is better is actually a non-Jew, Ayoob Kara. I'll be voting for him, too!

Sorry MB, lot of Americans think Israel is kinda a Switzerland in the desert.  They kinda forget the Israel is a pretty socialist place.  The people are peasants, and not to be trusted with too much responsibility.  Firearms?  Heaven forbid the slaves be allowed to own weapons!   More welfare and tax breaks for the haredim!  Less capitalism, more taxes!

I'm not saying that I wouldn't prefer to stay with the Izzies over any of their neighbors.   But people forget, don't know or heavily overlook the extremely socialistic government. 


Have fun with the lady friend!  Stay safe, man.   We need ya over here in the States, preferably PA.

[txgho1911]

In contrast I would believe this story alone holds the right evidence for the legal residents to be able to own whatever they can handle.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129105

Monday Attacks: Stabbing, Rock Attacks, Firebombs
 

[Hawkmoon]

Is it wrong to hope for what I'm hoping for?

Not if what you're hoping for is what I'm hoping for.

I am thoroughly disgusted by the international response. Hamas lobs mortars and rockets into Israel on a regular basis for days and weeks and nobody says "Boo." Israel finally says, "Enough, already," and takes out a bunch of primarily military targets ... and the entire world suddenly wakes up and says, "Oh, this is terrible."

[MicroBalrog]

A rocket hit within my town tonight, killing a lady in her car and apparently injuring some people.

My parents have freaked out completely and instructed me and 2swap to stay indoors for the duration. We'll see.

[Scout26]

A rocket hit within my town tonight, killing a lady in her car and apparently injuring some people.

My parents have freaked out completely and instructed me and 2swap to stay indoors for the duration. We'll see.

Anyone want to bet that that doesn't make the nooz.  But Pali woman gets nicked by shrapnel from Israeli bomb when she was holding a mortar tube, will get front page above the fold....

[MicroBalrog]

Anyone want to bet that that doesn't make the nooz.  But Pali woman gets nicked by shrapnel from Israeli bomb when she was holding a mortar tube, will get front page above the fold....

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/12/29/news/ML-Israel-Rocket-Strike.php

[Scout26]

"I bring the crazy !!!"

(as if there isn't more then enough in Gaza already......)

[Manedwolf]

GAZA (Reuters) - Israel rejected any truce with Hamas Islamists on Tuesday and said it was ready for "long weeks of action" on a fourth day of the fiercest air offensive in the Gaza Strip in decades.

Yes, they were asking for truce while still firing Grads, now.

Did Israel finally realize that their "truce" is offered with one hand out and a knife hidden in the other, and is just an excuse to reload?

[MicroBalrog]

Yes, they were asking for truce while still firing Grads, now.

Did Israel finally realize that their "truce" is offered with one hand out and a knife hidden in the other, and is just an excuse to reload?

Election fever. Ollmert needs  to pretend to be at least as smart as Bibi.

[roo_ster]

Hamas & those who voted for them need to reap the whirlwind.