Author Topic: My plan for the Republicans to get us out of the recession  (Read 12542 times)

makattak

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Re: My plan for the Republicans to get us out of the recession
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2009, 10:56:09 AM »
He needs a depression to be able to fully implement his socialist policies. If there isn't one available, he'll do his best to create one.


If this bill passes AND they turn it into "Smoot-Hawley II" with their "Buy American" provision, he may very well do so.

I'm almost dumbfounded by the stupidity.
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Re: My plan for the Republicans to get us out of the recession
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2009, 11:53:43 AM »
If this bill passes AND they turn it into "Smoot-Hawley II" with their "Buy American" provision, he may very well do so.

I'm almost dumbfounded by the stupidity.

Is that level of stupidity really possible? At some point don't we have to assume that it's part of a plan rather than ignorance or stupidity? I've never read any economic or historical texts that treat Smoot-Hawley and protectionism as a good thing.

I just have a hard time believing that they're really all that ignorant of history and economics. Either scenario is bad, but I'd almost rather believe they are doing this as part of some evil plot than that we have people that stupid/ignorant running our country.

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Re: My plan for the Republicans to get us out of the recession
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2009, 02:00:56 PM »
The guy who posted that is on wall street dealing with this right now.

Most economists did not warn their clients about the crash that was coming...might want to remember that when you rely on the "science" of economics to formulate your theories about how the economy is actually doing.
Don't confuse economists with investment advisors.  Many investors got blindsided by the downturn.  Many economists had seen it coming for a while.

Heck, I'm not a serious economist by any means, but even I saw a deflationary crash coming and have been posting about it here for a year or two.
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Re: My plan for the Republicans to get us out of the recession
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2009, 02:07:40 PM »
Is that level of stupidity really possible? At some point don't we have to assume that it's part of a plan rather than ignorance or stupidity? I've never read any economic or historical texts that treat Smoot-Hawley and protectionism as a good thing.

I just have a hard time believing that they're really all that ignorant of history and economics. Either scenario is bad, but I'd almost rather believe they are doing this as part of some evil plot than that we have people that stupid/ignorant running our country.
I go back and forth on this question.

Sometimes I think they're just plain dumb, ignorant of history and economics, and blinded by their ideologies. 

Other times I think it's part of a plan.  FDR couldn't have done his socialist policies without a major economic downturn.  That he and his policies caused precisely the kind major downturn they needed is curious.  Maybe it's just a coincidence.  Maybe it's not. 

Now I see Obama doing the exact same thing.  He's taking a modest downturn and talking it up into a Severe Financial Catastrophe, then using the Severe Financial Catastrophe as justification for policies that we know will cause serious harm to the economy.  If we get a new round of socialist New Deal programs out of this mess, will that be a coincidence too?
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Re: My plan for the Republicans to get us out of the recession
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2009, 02:41:13 PM »
I go back and forth on this question.

Sometimes I think they're just plain dumb, ignorant of history and economics, and blinded by their ideologies. 

Other times I think it's part of a plan.  FDR couldn't have done his socialist policies without a major economic downturn.  That he and his policies caused precisely the kind major downturn they needed is curious.  Maybe it's just a coincidence.  Maybe it's not. 

Now I see Obama doing the exact same thing.  He's taking a modest downturn and talking it up into a Severe Financial Catastrophe, then using the Severe Financial Catastrophe as justification for policies that we know will cause serious harm to the economy.  If we get a new round of socialist New Deal programs out of this mess, will that be a coincidence too?

Munchhausen syndrome.

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Re: My plan for the Republicans to get us out of the recession
« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2009, 05:26:59 PM »
He needs a depression to be able to fully implement his socialist policies. If there isn't one available, he'll do his best to create one. 

It's working for me.  I get depressed just thinking about Obama.  Not that he isn't a tad comical at times. 
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