Author Topic: So much for that silly first amendment...Man gets Secret Service check for sign (Read 10220 times)

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #25 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:47:03 PM »

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could you tell me what right was violated by his public statement/sign being brought to the usss attention and them visiting him?

It's already been said. Multiple times.

Brad

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #26 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:50:54 PM »

i understand the cop screwed up they brought the sign back and asked if he wanted to file a complaint. after that?

mtnbkr · « **Reply #27 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:53:02 PM »

I'm wondering if the same outrage was evident when similar actions were taken while Bush was President. I don't remember that being the case...

Chris

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #28 on:** February 19, 2009, 03:01:16 PM »

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-guy-that-said-Go-*expletive deleted*ck-yourself-Mr-Cheney

heres what really happened in new orleans. from the heroes own video. as opposed to newsmax or wnd

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #29 on:** February 19, 2009, 03:04:16 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on February 19, 2009, 02:50:54 PM

i understand the cop screwed up ~~they brought the sign back and asked if he wanted to file a complaint. after that?~~ and, even though the PD apologized, their actions resulted in the individual being investigated, up to and including a visit to his home, by an agency of the federal government.

There, fixed it for you.

Brad

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #30 on:** February 19, 2009, 03:14:22 PM »

oh i see you are trying to use some law and order version of "fruit of the tainted tree" . my understanding is that would be a fine point if
a) some type of legal action was instigated against him (there wasn't)
b) even in the event that there was legal action that would only apply if that was the only way the cops/usss coulda gotten that info to act on.

his posting a sign in his car window and driving around kills that. if someone other than maned wants to imply they flashed the mp5's that ALL agents carry in their shoulder rig. maybe that might qualify as intimidation bu i'll bett this guy doesn't claim that. heck evem wnd and newsmax don't claim that.... yet

so what we have is a cop making a silly/stupid mistake. it getting recognized as that and the best available corrective action by the pd gets taken. the usss thing is an entirely seperate occurence .

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #31 on:** February 19, 2009, 03:50:20 PM »

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so what we have is a cop making a silly/stupid mistake. it getting recognized as that and the best available corrective action by the pd gets taken. the usss thing is an entirely seperate occurence .

No, it occured as a direct result of "a cop making a silly/stupid mistake". What if said silly/stupid mistake had resulted in an all-out investigation, or maybe a no-knock raid? Given today's political climate it isn't beyond the scope of reason for that to happen.

As for "best available action by the PD", ah, no. It's woefully short of anything I'd consider "best". All they've done so far is issue a generic boilerplate apology. If they truly want to correct the problem they will issue an official notice to the USSS that the report was unwarranted, and insist that the notice be amended to the guy's record that now resides in the USSS's "had to take a look at this dude" files.

But they haven't.

Brad

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #32 on:** February 19, 2009, 03:59:35 PM »

the usss looks at a lotta folks. pretty much anyone whose name surfaces. its not a big deal. it won't even stop you from going to events at the whitehouse or similar stuff. unless they find something strange. if this guys feelings on abortion are that strong hes gotten much more attention from that than this deal.

If they truly want to correct the problem they will issue an official notice to the USSS that the report was unwarranted,

no the usss asks to be told about folks like him specifically so they can take a look. taking sign bad/unwarranted. usss saying hi whats going on? not so much

Antibubba · « **Reply #33 on:** February 19, 2009, 04:01:48 PM »

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i understand the cop screwed up they brought the sign back and asked if he wanted to file a complaint. after that?

Admitting they screwed up would have resulted in the sign being returned, and a complete end to the situation. By bringing in the Secret Service they're saying, "Well, we shouldn't have done that so we called the Feds to cover our sorry behinds". That the SS asked to look around doesn't make the situation better than if they'd come in with a team. Which might have been the outcome if he'd refused to "consent" to a search.

Look up "Iron fist in a velvet glove".

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #34 on:** February 19, 2009, 04:04:36 PM »

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no the usss asks to be told about folks like him specifically so they can take a look.

So anyone stopped for a reason later officially recognized as mistaken should be reported to the USSS for investigation?

Brad

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #35 on:** February 19, 2009, 04:07:27 PM »

so you think the usss got a referral from the local pd? really? why?
here i was thinking they get a summary of all police events that involve protectees in anyway and made their own calls as to what they look at. imagine that the local pd can use the usss as a club. and the usss has the time resources and inclination to go along with it. i'd never have thought of that myself. i'm more of the kinda guy that figures they use a computer program to search as many/all reports they can .and then work from there.

Manedwolf · « **Reply #36 on:** February 19, 2009, 04:12:43 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on February 19, 2009, 04:07:27 PM

so you think the usss got a referral from the local pd? really? why?

Did you read the article? It doesn't look like it.

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The officers confiscated Harrison's sign and gave him a slip of paper that stated he was part of an investigation.

Harrison said he later received a call from a person who said he was a lieutenant supervisor for the Internal Investigations Department and wanted to know his location and return his sign to him.

According to Harrison, the supervisor said the Secret Service had been contacted on the matter and had told them the sign was not a threat to the president.

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #37 on:** February 19, 2009, 04:15:02 PM »

So the problem still stands as presented ... had the PD not stopped the guy for an erroneous reason he would not have been entered into the system. Had he not been entered into the system, he would not now be an inductee to the USSS's list-of-people-to-to-talk-to.

Summary - the PD's mistake precipitated the entire affair, an affair which has direct constitutional implications. As such, "We're sorry" doesn't cut it.

Brad

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #38 on:** February 19, 2009, 05:52:27 PM »

Obviously, csdaddy is a good citizen, and has nothing to hide. The rest of you require further surveillance.

Leatherneck · « **Reply #39 on:** February 19, 2009, 07:23:23 PM »

Brad's POV is mine. But

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If they truly want to correct the problem they will issue an official notice to the USSS that the report was unwarranted, and insist that the notice be amended to the guy's record that now resides in the USSS's "had to take a look at this dude" files.

<That> will never happen. The guy has suffered damage. He should sue for sure.

TC

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #40 on:** February 19, 2009, 07:26:01 PM »

who should he sue? and what would be appropriate to look for in the suit?

Uncle Bubba · « **Reply #41 on:** February 19, 2009, 11:59:15 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Tactical pants on February 19, 2009, 05:52:27 PM

Obviously, csdaddy is a good citizen, ~~and~~ has nothing to hide, is marvelously and intentionally obtuse, and a puddin' stick. The rest of you require further surveillance.

Fixed that for you. ;D

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #42 on:** February 20, 2009, 01:19:02 AM »

Puddin' stick?

Antibubba · « **Reply #43 on:** February 20, 2009, 02:29:15 AM »

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who should he sue? and what would be appropriate to look for in the suit?

This one has "ACLU" written all over it.

RaspberrySurprise · « **Reply #44 on:** February 20, 2009, 02:54:34 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Tactical pants on February 20, 2009, 01:19:02 AM

Puddin' stick?

Yes I would also like to know what this has to do with Bill Cosby.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 20, 2009, 09:13:47 AM »

So how many agents does the SS have?

If they told the PD that the sign was not a threat, are they required to go visit the guy? If it wasn't a threat, it wasn't a threat. Were they bored?

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #46 on:** February 20, 2009, 09:40:38 AM »

not sure i know they routinely check out lots of silly stuff. they spent hours on this kid with the court case coming up. and more hours interviewing friends and families. in my case of the raging stupids they came out talked to me for 45 mins figured i was a loud drunk and i never heard from em again. i think they are very reluctant to ignore things. they might not want that funny look on their face, like the fbi when they ignored the warnings from one of their agents about the arabs in flight school

mtnbkr · « **Reply #47 on:** February 20, 2009, 09:48:04 AM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on February 20, 2009, 09:40:38 AM

i think they are very reluctant to ignore things.

QFT. It is my understanding once they hear of a "threat", they are going to check into it. The level of "checking into it" depends on the nature of the threat (loud drunk or guy with intent and means).

Chris

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 20, 2009, 10:00:28 AM »

This happened in OKC, OK of all places. Imagine if it happened in Chicago or NYC.?

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #49 on:** February 20, 2009, 10:05:55 AM »

their level of physical response can be intense.when i worked at the mayflower and got to see em in action a few times.they look like ~~cub scouts~~ brownies when compared to the israeli secret service. they handled security for the peace delegation and are a force of nature.

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Author Topic: So much for that silly first amendment...Man gets Secret Service check for sign (Read 10220 times)