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Re: Working in groups
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2009, 01:53:47 PM »
I'm fortunate in that most of my history profs don't do the group work thing.

Invariably, it's the low level gen education classes that do.

I've got two classes this year.  The third sememster spanish class qualifies as low-level, so no surprise we're always "grouping" in there.  The other course is a 3000-level course on the U.S. Constitution.  Every other class, we break up into the under-grad group and the grad-student group, to discuss the readings, and give little oral "reports" to the whole class, to answer the discussion questions.  My fellow under-grads tend to be real ninny-hammers.  I have no problem at all discussing America's imperfections.  I just wish they could have a little bit of respect for the Americans that gave them the freedoms they have today, even if they did have slaves back then, or wouldn't let their wives vote. 
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Re: Working in groups
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2009, 02:20:53 PM »
Group projects get dumbed down to the IQ of the most competitive and overconfident folks in the group.
 
Senior year in college, went back to finish. Pretty much skated, since it was SO much easier than what I'd been doing... Had a marketing/advertising class. For a competition, had to design a campaign/media buy for selling new entry-level American cars.
 
I laid out my ideas to the folks in the group, and they promptly told me that I was an idiot, and out of touch, and decided that the target market for the vehicles was (a) college students; and (b) reachable via MTV (fairly new at the time), Rolling Stone, campus newspapers, and campus radio stations. Even after I asked them, "So, would you buy our car, or would you buy a Toyota?" and got the Toyota answer...
 
Fine. I did their arts and charts, and they got #1 for the school. Went to some regional or state thing - By now, I was just taking up space in the bus as all the bright young minds twittered along, reinforcing each other...
 
We present the new arts and charts, and end up coming in second or third.
 
Who was first?
 
It was a group who said that the best target market was military folks (because they actually had disposable income, and there was a big "buy American" push in the military), reaching them by military publications/media.
 
So, what idea do you think I'd presented? Yup...
 
Sometimes groupthink doesn't work all that well...
 
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Re: Working in groups
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2009, 02:33:21 PM »
I hate hearing "Please work with _________ on such and such." Doesn't matter the person.

I think that's why my current job suits me as it does. 25 hours a week I am Lord and Master, and do things MY way. 'Cuz there's nobody around to tell me otherwise... :laugh:

The other 15 hours a week I have to do as I am told. :mad: :laugh:
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Re: Working in groups
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2009, 05:51:51 PM »
Nope, the C student's Frat brother's Father is the CEO, The C student becomes your boss

Touche.  But if he is your boss, he probably won't be assigning himself to your group.

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Re: Working in groups
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2009, 05:57:26 PM »
I've got two classes this year.  The third sememster spanish class qualifies as low-level, so no surprise we're always "grouping" in there.  The other course is a 3000-level course on the U.S. Constitution.  Every other class, we break up into the under-grad group and the grad-student group, to discuss the readings, and give little oral "reports" to the whole class, to answer the discussion questions.  My fellow under-grads tend to be real ninny-hammers.  I have no problem at all discussing America's imperfections.  I just wish they could have a little bit of respect for the Americans that gave them the freedoms they have today, even if they did have slaves back then, or wouldn't let their wives vote. 

It quite simple, they're attacking the source.   Much of the opposition to their leftist agenda stems from the fact that the Founding Fathers didn't agree with pretty much any of their socialist/statist nonsense.  So by bringing up the next generation to view the Founding Fathers are wrongheaded bigots, they can more easily convince people to give up the ideals the Founding Fathers cherished, such as those in the Constitution.  After all, "the same people who want us to keep and bear arms also thought slavery was OK.  Our society has evolved beyond these foolish ideas."

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Re: Working in groups
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2009, 06:50:12 PM »
I hated it every time in undergrad.  It was simply never done well.  Profs in undergrad tend to have a fairly crappy pool of students and in gen ed type classes and they tend to not pay much education to doing a decent job of teaching.  It is usually about poorly thought-out ideas about being modern and up-to-date combined with ease of grading.  I especially hated the group discussion thing.  Typically, except in language classes, it meant "I have three hours to fill, but only prepared an hour lecture.  Sit around and chat with your classmates."

Now, when I taught middle school, I once did a group project on the American Revolution.  That was pretty cool and got good feedback from the students.  Each student was responsible for her own work and only got graded on her own work, but each group had to turn in one completed project.  The group's job was to choose designated people for specific roles, like assigning the various components tasks, assembling the component parts into a binder, and keeping me apprised of the group's progress.  The students, as it turned out, were more apt to read and learn materials assembled by their own group than materials presented in any other format. 

I recently learned that one of my students, who has recently enlisted in the Navy and is planning a career in the military, ascribes her interest in American history and resultant patriotism to the year I taught her in that class.  Considering that the school opposes non-religious life choices by the students, I'm pretty proud of her.  I think that project may have planted some seeds.  Got a lot of kids to pay attention to stuff that they otherwise would have ignored or forgotten. 

In law school, profs in lecture classes frequently require students to form "firms" for collaboration on various levels.  I've seen that work very, very well, but often it is similar to the undergrad approach--a time-eating, poorly thought-out device. 

I've had endless headaches this year from partners in the elderlaw clinic--first a disaffected and annoying partner, and now an over-enthused, over-emotional partner, prone to getting way, way, way too caught up in helping our clients regardless of the strength of their legal claims.  It's endlessly frustrating.  Kind of like working with a co-worker on a project.  I'm pretty sure my clinical experience mirrors common professional experience in that regard.

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Re: Working in groups
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2009, 07:26:14 PM »
Unless your major is "Hermit" you will end up working with people.  And yes, the are a PITA to work with. 
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