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I want to learn to play bass
« on: March 16, 2009, 01:34:35 AM »
I did a search but all the old threads seem to be on standard 6 strings not basses. I've always wanted to play, but I'm "musically challenged" as it were. Nonetheless, I think it's time I set aside my apprehension about my own inadequacy and started learning.

So what would ya'll recommend? Rather small budget for this so I was thinking of looking for the bass itself in a pawn shop? Not sure about the amp, buying used electronic makes me nervous as it's harder to inspect them for problems. What all do I need to start; bass, amp, couple cables...? Makes, models, things to look for, things to avoid?

And once I get the gear, how do I start? It seems a bit overwhelming with all the options and material and programs. What worked for you, and what advice do you wish you could go back and give yourself about it when you started?
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 01:55:33 AM »
I'll tell you something not to do.

Don't spend a couple decades playing 6-string acoustic and electric guitar, and then think you're going to start playing bass guitar the same way.

You will, at a minimum, annoy other bass guitar players to no end.   =D

(I'm not saying it cannot be done, witness Tony Franklin on his 5-string fretless bass playing Led Zeppelin's The Rain Song, but the man's a virtuoso...)

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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 03:20:30 AM »
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So what would ya'll recommend? Rather small budget for this so I was thinking of looking for the bass itself in a pawn shop?

Pawn shops aren't really the way to go anymore, ever since the advent of teh intarweb, allowing everyone to look up street value instantly.
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Not sure about the amp, buying used electronic makes me nervous as it's harder to inspect them for problems.
Start small--since this is just a practice amp only, stick to about 10 watts.  If possible, always test it out yourself beforehand--easy thing to remember: if you plug in both ends, turn it on, and are certain that everything is set right, sound should come out.  If it's silent, or sounds like it's playing through a tin can, reject it.
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What all do I need to start; bass, amp, couple cables...?
One bass. One cord.  One amp.  That's it for now.
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Makes, models, things to look for, things to avoid?
Since this is just to learn, a basic 4-string that comes with an amp and cord is about the cheapest way to go, and adequate for your needs.  For example, something like these: http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com/navigation/electric-bass-guitar-value-packages?N=100001+306318&Ns=P_Price|0&rpp=20
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And once I get the gear, how do I start? It seems a bit overwhelming with all the options and material and programs. What worked for you, and what advice do you wish you could go back and give yourself about it when you started?
Find a private instructor.  Musical instrument shops sometimes have a bulletin board for local adverts, and instructors are listed on there as well.  Ask around, and see who is recommended.  Check out Craigslist, if that avenue isn't available. Don't buy any instructional material until the instructor tells you to--usually, it can be found at the shop, too.

Bass is, in my opinion, one of the funnest instruments to play, as it's as simple or as complex as you want it to be, and will sound good both ways.  Compare any song by Primus to Van Halen's "Running With the Devil."  Just enjoy yourself.  =)
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 10:19:10 AM »
Another good way to go (and something I suggest for anyone who wants to learn either bass or guitar) is to check out evilbay for steinberger headless instruments. That, and a pocket amp, means you can practice anywhere... ;)
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2009, 03:23:21 PM »
Thanks for the info Dion. So it's really cheaper to buy a new kit vs used? I would not have thought that. Any particular brands you'd recommend at a lower price point?

If taking lessons aren't in ye ole budget, what alternative learning methods do you like?
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 03:52:46 PM »
Years ago I got a bass kit for Christmas.  It was Squire, which is made by Fender for those starting out.  It seemed to be pretty nice.  I'm not sure how much was spent, because it was a gift.

As far as learning how to play, when I was in high school and unemployed, I sat down next to my stereo.  Just pick out a good CD, and start trying to play along.  That's what I did, and I ended up being okay.  But that was years ago.

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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 04:01:37 PM »
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 08:29:53 PM »
In all seriousness, if you just want to learn to play songs, tab is THE easiest thing on the planet...

Each line represents a string. Numbers represent which fret to hit the string at. Phrasing, you figure out from listening to the song being played...
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 10:25:54 PM »
Joketime!

Kid tells dad "Dad, I want to take up music, I saved a lot of bread from my paper route, I'm buying a bass."

Dad is impressed, and to support his industrious son, (and to invest in a faster track to listening pleasure) says "Great, I'll be happy finance some lessons"
After the first lesson, Dad asks "Well, what did you learn?"
"I learned the 1st 5 frets of the E string - E, F, F#, G, G# and A."
"Great.  Play me something?"
"Sorry, gotta get to bed for my paper route"

Next day Dad asks "What did you learn today?"
I learned the first 5 frets of the A string - A, A# (Bb), C, C# and D
"Great. Play me something?"
"Sorry, I've got to get to my gig"
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2009, 10:34:16 PM »
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That's cold man!  :laugh:

All good advice here, I'm not crazy about tab, I think you'd be better served by learning to read standard script. Find a teacher and take a 1/2 hour per week. And DON'T spend a crapload of money on anything until you know you like it and are going to stick with it. Make sure you have fun cause that's what it's all about!


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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 10:36:53 PM »
You could always go with a stand up.
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 01:52:54 AM »
Can you roll a joint one-handed? Most bass players I've known are able to do that...
 
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2009, 08:18:57 AM »
You could always go with a stand up.

As I lay in bed last night, pondering this topic, I came to the exact same conclusion:

http://elderly.com/vintage/items/110U-5404.htm  - Quieter practice w. pickups installed for performance.

http://www.steveswanguitars.com/Gallery/Eastman/125/index.html  - Chinese tone bucket

http://www.steveswanguitars.com/Gallery/Kolstein/Lorenzo%20Carcassi/index.html
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 09:05:26 AM »
as each guitar is slightly different i have never been a fan of mail order.   i like to see, and play the bass i am buying.  todays inexpensive basses play well, the biggest difference in price can be the electronics.   cheaper basses typically have more noise.   

i am a big fan of fender.   even the squires play well, and it's hard to beat their practice amps for tone.


try to find someone who plays to go help pick out your outfit.   let them check out the bass and play it while you listen from across the room.  tone is everything.   if you like the sound it puts out you will be more likely to be playing.
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 06:18:10 PM »
U can also add-in tubes in your preamp chain....
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2009, 06:56:00 PM »
My wife played stand up bass for years in a band. They were pretty good, actually. Opened for ZZ Top once, as a matter of fact. According to her, it's not that hard. Of course her whole family plays at least three instruments, so I'm not sure how true that is. I can barely play the radio.

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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2009, 09:19:09 PM »
I'll tell you something not to do.

Don't spend a couple decades playing 6-string acoustic and electric guitar, and then think you're going to start playing bass guitar the same way.

You will, at a minimum, annoy other bass guitar players to no end.   =D


 :laugh:  Actually, you will annoy the guitar player(s) and drummer in your band.  Other bass players will just laugh at you.

It's not that experienced guitar players can't play a bass with reasonable skill, most of us can, it's just that guitar players generally doze off do not have the patience to play bass the way it should be played in most songs.

While bass playing can be fairly simple, it still has to be done well.  Unless you are only doing something experimental, it requires that you become quite proficient at counting time.  This is an important basic part of all musical education, but especially so for instruments that are relied heavily upon to track rhythm like drums and bass.  Quality personal instruction is hard to beat, but if you don't have a local music store or community college that offers lessons or classes, there seems to be an abundance of video that might help.  There's even a lot of free stuff online, like this:  http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BassLessonsOnline&view=videos

As for what bass to get, I guess right now it depends on your budget and how long you plan to stick with it.  I'd probably avoid the absolute entry level stuff, but something like a Squier (not Affinity) by Fender P-Bass is about as basic and universal as it gets.  Based on various reviews, it seems like most of the low to mid priced basses are decent, if not pretty good.  I have never used a small bass practice amp that I thought sounded worth crap, but I am not a bass player and don't keep up with the latest cool stuff, so I may be missing something.

How did I start and what would I go back and change?  As I said, I'm not a bass player (although I have one and play it every once in awhile), but I got my musical training through years of piano and violin lessons starting as a little kid on up through high school orchestra and a lot of guitar playing in bands during high school and college.  I still play guitar as often as I can.  I no longer own a violin and haven't played one in years.  I haven't played piano (other than a small midi keyboard) in a long time, but wish I had one and time to play it.  If I could go back and do things differently, I'd truly appreciate the opportunity I had and take full advantage of it.  I wouldn't whine about being the only guy at a piano recital (or having to quickly swap a coat and tie for baseball uniform to get to my game in time).  Or, being one of two high school football players in orchestra.  With the exception of the guitar playing, which was my choice, I felt like I was forced to play instruments and it took nearly 20 years from the time I started before I realized the advantage I had gained.  So, basically, I had it beat into me from an early age.  I'd suggest a shorter method with fewer moments of anxiety and humiliation.  :laugh:
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2009, 09:35:18 PM »
My wife played stand up bass for years in a band. They were pretty good, actually. Opened for ZZ Top once, as a matter of fact. According to her, it's not that hard. Of course her whole family plays at least three instruments, so I'm not sure how true that is. I can barely play the radio.
I'd rather listen to a standup bass any day. A good fretless electric bass player is not a bad thing to listen to either. Does she still play?
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2009, 12:50:05 PM »
This seems like a pretty good deal. Thoughts?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/msg/1079887580.html
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2009, 02:53:44 PM »
Looks like a fairly decent deal to me. Bear in mind, I haven't looked at any of the starter kits before, so I don't know what list is...
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2009, 05:45:52 PM »
I'd rather listen to a standup bass any day. A good fretless electric bass player is not a bad thing to listen to either. Does she still play?

Nowadays only when her family gets together. Their band played bluegrass, and was darned good. Her dad is amazing. Plays banjo, mandolin, guitar, and bass. He's won numerous "fiddlin' contests", and has written quite a few songs. Most are funnier than heck. Sample titles: "Viagra honeymoon", "I don't look good naked anymore",
"Son of a Mitch"...  You get the idea.

 My wife plays banjo and guitar, along with the bass.

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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2009, 06:08:20 PM »
This seems like a pretty good deal. Thoughts?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/msg/1079887580.html

12 years ago, crate was the bottom of the barrel on sound quality.  i haven't messed with them since.  go to a shop where you can try a similar  amp and then a fender, peavey, or hartke.  as far as the bass,  epiphone makes a decent starter.  reminds me of my old gibson ebo, but that was a shorter scale than a regular bass( i think 34-36" from nut to bridge is standard).  still sounded good though.  sam ash shows the guitar alone as $199.
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Re: I want to learn to play bass
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2009, 07:13:57 PM »
Most are funnier than heck. Sample titles: "Viagra honeymoon", "I don't look good naked anymore",
"Son of a Mitch"...  You get the idea. 
Sounds like he should hook up with Larry the Cable Guy.  :laugh:
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