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8 Dems oppose quick debate on global warming bill
« on: March 17, 2009, 11:54:41 AM »
Maybe some of the Dems are finally waking up.  We really need to keep contacting them and letting them know we are still voters and we don't like what we are seeing them do.


8 Dems oppose quick debate on global warming bill
By ANDREW TAYLOR - Associated Press Writer
http://www.macon.com/nation/story/652070.html

WASHINGTON -- Eight Senate Democrats are opposing speedy action on President Barack Obama's bill to combat global warming, complicating prospects for the legislation and creating problems for their party's leaders.

The eight Democrats disapprove of using the annual budget debate to pass Obama's "cap and trade" bill to fight greenhouse gas emissions, a measure that divides lawmakers, environmentalists and businesses. The lawmakers' opposition makes it more difficult for Democratic leaders to move the bill without a threat of a Republican filibuster.

 The budget debate is the only way to circumvent Senate rules that allow a unified GOP to stop a bill through filibusters.

"Enactment of a cap-and-trade regime is likely to influence nearly every feature of the U.S. economy," wrote the Democratic senators, mostly moderates. They were joined by 25 Republicans. "Legislation so far-reaching should be fully vetted and given appropriate time for debate."

It takes 60 votes to overcome a filibuster in the Senate, but Democrats and allied independents currently control 58 seats.

Under a cap and trade system, the government would auction off permits to emit greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide. The auctions would raise almost $650 billion over the next decade, with the cost passed on to consumers as higher energy prices.

The cap and trade proposal is highly controversial, especially in heavily industrialized states and regions where people get their electricity from coal-fired power plants. Obama's promise to use most of the revenue to award $400 tax credits to most workers hasn't quelled the controversy since the increases in utility bills could easily exceed the amount of the tax cut.

The Democrats who signed the letter, addressed to the chairman and top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, were: Robert Byrd, W.Va.; Blanche Lincoln, Ark.; Mary Landrieu, La.; Carl Levin, Mich.; Evan Bayh, Ind.; Ben Nelson, Neb.; Bob Casey Jr., Pa.; and Mark Pryor, Ark.

The 25 Republicans were led by Sen. Mike Johanns of Nebraska.

Fast-track budget rules were used to enact President George W. Bush's tax cuts and two major budget bills during the Clinton administration, including a 1993 measure that failed to win a single GOP vote.

The House and Senate Budget committees are slated to vote on the budget resolution next week, with Senate debate scheduled for the week of March 30.

There also has been speculation that the expedited rules could be used to pass a health care overhaul bill, but senior Senate Democrats such as Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., oppose the idea, saying health reform must be enacted on a bipartisan basis.

The White House is open to the idea of using the fast-track rules for both global warming and health care.

"We would prefer not to start there, but we're not taking anything off the table at this point," White House budget chief Peter Orszag said last week.

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Re: 8 Dems oppose quick debate on global warming bill
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2009, 12:13:54 PM »
Sounds good.  At least we might have a chance to get this fully released and discussed in the media before it is put up for a vote.
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Re: 8 Dems oppose quick debate on global warming bill
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2009, 12:20:02 PM »
Probably just waiting to get their pet projects inserted into the bill, same way the TARP funding got passed.
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Re: 8 Dems oppose quick debate on global warming bill
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2009, 12:38:53 PM »
Translation:

We know this is going to be a major tax increase on any item that is produced using energy (i.e. EVERYTHING).

We also know that we cannot hide from the repercussions of this. SLOW DOWN!
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Re: 8 Dems oppose quick debate on global warming bill
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 02:44:40 PM »
. . . Eight Senate Democrats are opposing speedy action on President Barack Obama's bill to combat global warming,  . . . They were joined by 25 Republicans.
Aren't there supposed to be 41 Republicans?

Looks like our side is coming up a little short . . . again.  :mad:
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Re: 8 Dems oppose quick debate on global warming bill
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 11:33:25 PM »
So what if cap and trade is going to raise energy costs for every man, woman and child by about $2100 over the next ten years? Obama wants to cut taxes on the middle class, and the only way he can do that is to raise prices on the middle class.

Makes sense, right?