Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"

[Doggy Daddy]

Don't everyone comment all at once

Sorry.  I was busy laughing and sending that link to friends. 

DD

[DJJ]

...plywood and christmas lights....

[RocketMan]

plywood and christmas lights....

IIRC, the budget per episode for the original series ran about $80,000.  The more expensive ones were around $100,000.  That included the star's salaries.

[erictank]

Screw all this talk of replicators. I want a holodeck, and yes, to enjoy it in ways I can't talk about on APS. 

Per Scott Adams of 'Dilbert' fame, the invention of the holodeck would signal the end of civilization, and quite possibly the human race.  For exactly the reasons you can't discuss on APS.

Not too sure he's being tongue-in-cheek, for that matter.

[CNYCacher]

Per Scott Adams of 'Dilbert' fame, the invention of the holodeck would signal the end of civilization, and quite possibly the human race.  For exactly the reasons you can't discuss on APS.

Not too sure he's being tongue-in-cheek, for that matter.

Observe the plight of those addicted to Warcrack.  The draw of a holodeck would be infinitely more powerful.

[LadySmith]

You guys can go over my head by getting all technical regarding holodecks and such if you want to, but at least I know what the GNDN tubes on the Enterprise were for. 

[Perd Hapley]

Observe the plight of those addicted to Warcrack.  The draw of a holodeck would be infinitely more powerful.

Worse than the castle-crushing game, then? 

[Perd Hapley]

So what's so great about the Wrath of Khan?  Montaban's hair?  It's just as dated and cornball as other Trek films, isn't it?

[MillCreek]

So what's so great about the Wrath of Khan?  Montaban's hair?  It's just as dated and cornball as other Trek films, isn't it?

http://www.khaaan.com/

[Perd Hapley]

You're the man now, dog. 

[Nightfall]

Saw the movie today w/ the wife. We both enjoyed it. Kinda wish some more classic Star Trek music was in the soundtrack, but it does rear its head at a critical moment, and it's sudden appearance cements what I'm sure they want to be an emotional closing moment. Entertaining and watchable.

[erictank]

So what's so great about the Wrath of Khan?  Montaban's hair?  It's just as dated and cornball as other Trek films, isn't it?

BLASPHEMY!!!

Forgive him, brothers, for he knows not what he says...

Aw, the heck with it - it IS Fistful, after all! 

Seriously - for a gripping sci-fi action movie, with a GREAT villain and real, touching moments of humanity, it's hard to do better than 'Wrath Of Khan'.  Non-Trek fans might like STIV better - 'Save The Whales' - due to more of a real-world, humorous approach, and I consider that one a fairly-close second for best Trek movie (followed VERY closely by STVIII, 'First Contact', which was the first solely-Next-Gen Trek movie, the one with the Borg - another action-oriented movie), but for my money, STII is the best of the bunch.

AND it has Ricardo Montalban, with his long flowing mane and supposedly-rubber chest (both Montalban and director Nicholas Meyer state that it was Montalban's actual chest muscles - Montalban was apparently a pretty buff guy), chewing on the scenery and channelling Captain Ahab in magnificent style.

Have not been able to go see the new movie myself, yet - working nights through Tuesday AM, dagnabbit, and got plenty to do Tues/Wed/Thurs to get the townhouse ready to go on the market before I go back to work days over NEXT weekend, so I almost certainly won't be seeing it until the weekend of the 22nd.  To make up for it, I'm going to do my best to go see it in IMAX that weekend.

[Balog]

"Good movie" and "Star Trek" do not belong in the same sentence. 

[makattak]

"Good movie" and "Star Trek" do not belong in the same sentence. 

But you just put them in the same sentence!

[Balog]

But you just put them in the same sentence!

And even you saw the incongruity! 

[roo_ster]

The ST flicks are amazingly bad for all the success they have had.

STIIWoK is, without a doubt, the best of the lot.

[richyoung]

Which is good, because every major city having a symphony or ballet company better serves to absorb all of those who aspire to be musicians or dancers.

No.

It is bad, unless you are one of the minority that likes symphonic msic and ballet.  If you are part of that minority, you get to pick the pocket of ALL the taxpayers, to get what YOU want at a subsusized price, at the expense of musicians and dancers that are ACTUALLY popular, and need no such subsidy.

[makattak]

No.

It is bad, unless you are one of the minority that likes symphonic msic and ballet.  If you are part of that minority, you get to pick the pocket of ALL the taxpayers, to get what YOU want at a subsusized price, at the expense of musicians and dancers that are ACTUALLY popular, and need no such subsidy.

I don't think he indicated taxes should be paid to support it, simply that each town having their own ballet would be good.

[lupinus]

saw it, liked it, ship was AWESOME.

[freakazoid]

Saw it, loved it. I haven't really seen much of the ones with Kirk, but I grew up watching Voyager. From what little I know about them, Abrams seemed to really try to do it justice, even had classic lines and the way they talked. And the classic red shirt death.    I almost fell out of my seat laughing when that happened.

[LadySmith]

saw it, liked it, ship was AWESOME.

Thanks Lupinus, that's what I really wanted to know. 
To me, that's what the show was really all about: The Enterprise.

Of course I'd like to see it for this as well:

And the classic red shirt death.   I almost fell out of my seat laughing when that happened.

 

[mtnbkr]

Going to see it Saturday, can't wait!

Chris

[MechAg94]

So, if there were suddenly thousands of replicators busy on the earth creating new mass, what would that eventually do to Earth's total mass and gravity and such?  :)

Also, if a replicator can turn energy into matter, why not the other way around?  Recycling.  Surely that needs less energy.

[AJ Dual]

So, if there were suddenly thousands of replicators busy on the earth creating new mass, what would that eventually do to Earth's total mass and gravity and such?  :)

Also, if a replicator can turn energy into matter, why not the other way around?  Recycling.  Surely that needs less energy.

Well, that's a huge hole in the "science" of that technology.

When you run the numbers of E=mc^2, it takes a LOT of energy to make just a little bit of mass. And that's if you assume 100% efficiency, which you'll never attain. Even with matter/antimatter technology which theoreoretically is 100% efficient, it's not because the gamma radiation released gets so strong that it starts pushing the reactants away through sheer photon pressure.

E (in Joules) = m (in kilogram) X c (speed of light 3x10^7m/s) is just absofriggenlutely ginormous. The mass of one apple converted into energy if done in a lab in medium to low Earth orbit would essentialy be a small gamma ray burster event that would strip the Earth of it's atmosphere, boil away the oceans, and make the facing half of the planet molten.

So in theory, any ST civilization with replicator/transporter technology could just power the ship for decades off the poo from the toilets, and destroy entire planets and sterlize entire star systems with the mass/energy of just one disposable redshirt crewmember. It really makes the Star Wars universe, the Empire with it's Death Star namely look like amatuers.

I think in some of the ST reference books they recognized this fact and with some handwavium they explained the worst ramifications away stating that transporter/replicator tech is not pure matter/energy conversion, but more just atomic/molecular level dissasembly and re-assembly at the destination.  And that the people/objects transported don't actually convert.

[MicroBalrog]

the Star Wars universe, the Empire with it's Death Star namely look like amatuers.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/Alderaan.html :D