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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2009, 12:03:57 PM »
I think the BEST thing that could happen to the U.S. would be a complete collapse of the MSM.

It would fix everything from the center-left bias, and all the variations of criminal, environmental, and economic alarmisim...
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2009, 12:08:05 PM »
" A walk in the park?"  You guys have been smokin' too much hopium.  That is like saying "this ain't too bad "as you pass the 22nd story in free fall.  Every single economic indicator is screaming "RUN"! "HIDE"!

 Do you think the the Chinese were laughing at Giethner for no reason when he assured them thier assets were safe?   
 
   We are losing 600,000 jobs a month. -The Gov. is borrowing half of every dollar it spends.-Tax receipts are down 34% year over year. -The deficit will soon approach our entire GDP.- The unfunded liabilities for entitlement programs are equivalent to the value of the entire USA. -Two more alt arm reset bumps  are coming, and a hell of a lot of folks are underwater already. - Imports and exports are down hugely.-
 This list of doom goes on and on- but this thing is going to get way, way worse and I expect it to be a decade long.  Every attempt is being made to put a positive shine on it- We know quite well how the MSM sucks up to the PTB.  The financial blogs have a very different take.

  Along with this we have a popular marxist in power who is consolidating political power with great speed. Like the new "cyber czar", UNDER WHITE HOUSE CONTROL. Like the moving of the Census, UNDER WHITE HOUSE CONTROL. Like the moving of the Forest service, from Agriculture(income)  to Interior(greenies) . Like the nationalizing of the auto industry- and the banks. -And the appointment of marxist minions throughout. And a press so supine with moaning estacy they will not say a word in criticism .  Can you imagine how the would have ripped BUSH if he said the Constitution was 20 centuries old? Or the US having 57 states?
 
 We are in for a real rough ride.  Some may feel it is OK because they personally have not been affected yet- but the time is coming when this is going to wash over us all. 
 


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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2009, 12:14:28 PM »
Let's not forget the ENORMOUS deficits that the Reagan Administration ran in the 1980s building up American military power.

Which led to a whole different round of handwringing and pants wetting...

Oh hell, and how can we forget the screeching mimis who, upon realizing that the United States was going to rebuild its military and provide a firm deterrent to the Soviet Union, started wailing about how the US should realize that we had already lost to the Soviets and if we tried to gain parity with them they were just going to swat us down and that we shouldn't provoke the Bear....  :rolleyes:
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2009, 12:22:36 PM »
Back in the 1990s when things slowed down after Gulf War I lots of people were screaming at the top of their lungs, just as you are right now, that it was end times and that America was finished as an economic power.

That's a very good argument against the reasoning that if these some people are scared, I should be scared also.

Somewhat lacking in addressing his specific points regarding the situation though.
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2009, 12:33:18 PM »
Well, as for addressing specific points...

Fear -- addressed it.

Doom -- addressed it.

Gloom -- addressed it.

We're through, man! Game over! -- addressed it.

As far as I'm concerned, those are the only TRULY specific points in messages such as this.

The rest are just wild assed predictions based on a desire to feel as bad about oneself and one's future as is humanly possible.

It's tired, it's old, and it's counter productive. And, as I've said, I've seen it all before. The faces doing the screeching change, but the overall prediction remains the same "THE UNITED STATES IS FINISHED! THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF END TIMES!

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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2009, 12:44:51 PM »
It's tired, it's old, and it's counter productive. And, as I've said, I've seen it all before. The faces doing the screeching change, but the overall prediction remains the same "THE UNITED STATES IS FINISHED! THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF END TIMES!

Panic of 1873 comes to mind. Guess what we are still here. :)

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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2009, 12:49:12 PM »
Back to the ammo hording/ammo as currency theme....


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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2009, 01:07:54 PM »
I think it's far more likely that fear-urine-soaked underwear will become a new media of exchange.

After all, if you listen to some of the gloom screamers no one is going to have any ammo because Obama is personally shutting off ammo availability to the civilan market.

Every day he goes to Winchester, Remington, etc., and randomly pulls the plug on another machine.
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2009, 01:36:03 PM »
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Be wary of thread starters ending with the above statement.   =|
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2009, 02:45:21 PM »
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After all, if you listen to some of the gloom screamers no one is going to have any ammo because Obama is personally shutting off ammo availability to the civilan market.


I can't wait until the day when all of the mega horders decide that they don't need 75,000 primers and start dumping them at fire sale prices. I'm shooting up the last of my small rifle primers at this weekend's match, and will have to switch over to the M1 for the rest of the year if things keep going like they've been.  :mad:
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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2009, 02:52:05 PM »
I can't wait until the day when all of the mega horders decide that they don't need 75,000 primers and start dumping them at fire sale prices.
If it was simple hoarding, you'd think the hoarders would be running out of places to store their hoarded goods by now . . .

Or are there a lot of new garages and pole barns going up in the hinterlands?

. . . Obama is personally shutting off ammo availability to the civilan market. Every day he goes to Winchester, Remington, etc., and randomly pulls the plug on another machine.
AHA! I KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!! CALL DRUDGE!!!

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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2009, 03:03:37 PM »
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If it was simple hoarding, you'd think the hoarders would be running out of places to store their hoarded goods by now . . .

Or are there a lot of new garages and pole barns going up in the hinterlands?

I've been to gun shows lately- there is no shortage of primers or ammo there, you can buy truckloads of ammo if you are willing to pay $1/round for combloc 7.62x39 or $1.50/rd for surplus 556.
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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2009, 03:42:24 PM »
Be wary of thread starters ending with the above statement.   =|

Put it on there cuz I don't know nuthin', bein' a wet behind the ears fresh out of collidge gradgee-ate.

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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2009, 03:50:33 PM »
Mike, you seem to enjoy calling me a urine soaked doom screamer-   But yet I see no explanation or repudiation of any of the factors of concern I listed. -None- your response sounds emotion laden, but free from fact.  And yes, I lived through the 70's, and paid off my land with a 14% interest. And went through the 80's, unemployed at times , and lost 1/2 my stock investments in the tech crash, and never worried a lick about Y2K- things are different this time, and there are a LOT of folks who agree with me, who have spent thier lives working on this stuff- Or would you rather believe Ben or Timmie- I mean, they have such great track records...
 
 
  Your take , as I see it, is this is no big deal.
  My take, is we have factors in play that are vastly different than previous  recesssions and things are going to get much worse.  
  
  So because I am a pantie wringing , purple pissing doom sayer, help me out here- tell why I should be optimistic about the economy.  If you can't state the reasons, don't bother with the underwear talk.  I have stated the reasons I am pessimistic- do me the consideration of replying in kind.
 
 
 

 
  
    
  
 

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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2009, 04:14:23 PM »
I just bought a case of new brass-cased 55 grain .223 for 33 cent per round. (36 cents including shipping)

Stores are still bare, but ammo available from internet specialists. Seems to be getting better in the past couple of weeks.

Edit: I used to buy a box a week of ammo to sock away. I wish I had kept it up, just for the savings alone.


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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2009, 04:49:50 PM »
Yes, it is a big deal. We're in troubling economic times. Is there a lot of reason to be enthusiastic about the economy right now? Not really, but there's absolutely no reason to look at what's going on and deliver the eulogy for America.


"And yes, I lived through the 70's"

Were you this emotionally distraught during the 1970s and early 1980s? During Watergate, when the entire foundation of the American form of Government seemed to be crumbling?

When Arab nations shut off the oil taps not once, but twice?

When the United States was an international laughing stock because we couldn't even figure out how to deal with a bunch of students in a backwater third world nation who took a bunch of our citizens hostage?

Did the Republic come crashing down during the massive social upheaval of the late 1960s and into the 1970s, what with domestic terrorism and National Guard troops killing students at Kent State?

When inflation was approaching 10%?

When unemployment broke through 10% nationally, and in some parts of the country, with the collapse of the steel and partial collapse of the coal industries, hit as high as 90%?

When some of the supposedly best and brightest minds in Government and Academia were ready to place the tombstone on the American dream and American standing both at home and abroad, and were looking at the Soviet Union as the new trend and rule setter?

No?

Yep, that's right. You managed your way through those situations, painful as it might have been, and prospered, or at least made it this far. You apparently paid off your land at 14% interest. Catastrophic end of the world? Nope, money out of your pocket. Nothing more.

Things are ALWAYS "different" this time.

The supposed "factors" that you cite as new, ominous, and which will apparently result in the catastrophic collapse of the nation are also nothing new.

During the 1930s foreign investment in this country was, proportionally, not far off what it is now. At the height of the depression unemployment was 25%. The creation of the social services state under Roosevelt resulted in MASSIVE deficits at a time when tax revenues were plummeting and the GDP was contracting faster than anything seen in history, hundreds of thousands were thrown out of their homes and off their land by foreclosure, resulting in the largest peace-time migration in American history, and yet somehow the Republic survived.

"there are a LOT of folks who agree with me, who have spent thier lives working on this stuff-"

Just as there are a LOT of folks who work on this stuff and who believe the doomsayers and endtimes predictors are wrong.


Know what that means?

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.



And yet, through it all the Republic has survived. Not unscathed, not unchanged,  but it has, oddly enough survived.

I think that's what troubles me worst of all about people of your ilk, the people who just nonchalantly shrug their shoulders and say "well, I guess that's that, we can't do anything, history has us this time, we're screwed."

You look at the problems we're facing as if they are wholly new, wholly perplexing, and wholly insurmountable.

Every generation has had that, and every generation has proven them to be wrong.


Are you going to be wrong this time? I think so. Can I prove that any more than you can definitively prove that this IS the demise of America's economy, influence, and everything else? No.

But I like to think that the American traits of innovation, invention, reinvention, and incorporation haven't totally been stripped from the fabric of the nation like you apparently believe they have been.

I also like to think that far more Americans actually are willing to see a bright future and work towards it rather than spend their time wallowing in fear and defeatism and working as hard as they can to bring that dark view to life.

Simply put, then, anyone can make any predictions that they want about the future based on a discrete set of factors that exist at that time. Americans have been doing that, and predicting the collapse of America and the American way of life.

But so far?

They're 0 of everything, and given different situations that this country has faced in the past, they're going to continue to be 0 for everything.

So, I'll say it again. Stop screaming doom and gloom and rubbing your hands in glee at the prospects. Should you be concerned? Yes. Express your concern, but get out of the doom, gloom, self pity and blase acceptance  pit that you all have seem to have jumped into.

It's almost perverse the joy that some people take in predicting that this is the end of all.
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2009, 05:30:47 PM »
If it was simple hoarding, you'd think the hoarders would be running out of places to store their hoarded goods by now . . .

Or are there a lot of new garages and pole barns going up in the hinterlands?


See, this economy's so bad, the ammo-hoarders are selling everything else, just to scrape by.  No need for a new pole barn when your garage and tool shed are now empty.  And think how much more room us starving folks have around the house, after we eat our children.   =)
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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2009, 05:43:31 PM »
But I like to think that the American traits of innovation, invention, reinvention, and incorporation haven't totally been stripped from the fabric of the nation like you apparently believe they have been.

Mike you are absolutely right.

To the Doomsayers and Chicken Little's.

Myself for instance is trying to figure out how to change my life and go into business for myself on somewhat of a larger scale than a typical small business. I have an idea and I have some folks who are serious to invest, now I'm trying to figure out the hoops to get started. Its an idea from something I came up in college as something I could see myself doing for the rest of my life. Something that will float in good times and in bad.

I also have a couple of other friends thinking the same thing for different business ventures. I really think that some of the panic/fear of losing a job has gotten our minds spinning in looking elsewhere for a livelihood.

There were people who got stinking rich during the depression and likewise for the other economic downturns. You can sit there whine about how sky is crashing and were fubar'd or you can get that mind going and find a way to persevere.

Get positive!
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2009, 06:00:26 PM »
I recently met a guy who lost his job sometime last fall.  He has opened a clothing store, and is scrambling to get into as many other business ventures as he can. 

FWIW, he was wearing an Obama t-shirt. 
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2009, 07:46:14 PM »
I recently met a guy who lost his job sometime last fall.  He has opened a clothing store, and is scrambling to get into as many other business ventures as he can. 

FWIW, he was wearing an Obama t-shirt. 

Are you sure it wasn't a Carlton t-shirt?  :P
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2009, 09:10:25 PM »
Mike, thank you for saying my concerns have some validity. - please believe I have absolutely no sense of "glee" or "joy" whatsoever-  I do not know where you got that. 

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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2009, 10:13:05 PM »
I am not a doomer by any means. He tracked over this recessions numbers in the meeting. The numbers for this recession cycle is worse and deeper than all of these decades:

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1980's Farm Crisis
1970's Mortgage Rates
1970's inflation
Lee Iacocca and Chrysler Corportation
1980's Caterpillar Corporation
1970's Oil Embargo
Early 90's recession
plus the 40's, 50's, 60's.

He made it quit clear this is the worst since right after WW2. We can't compare to the 30's because we don't have the appropriate data. There is only one way this thing is better than the 30s. We expect it to turn around in the next few years. And return to 2008's high by 2012 or 2014. Of course, projecting out that far is really sketchy.
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #47 on: June 05, 2009, 01:57:23 AM »
"1. Inflation around the world is -0.5% to 3% at most."

Say what?

Inflation in over half the world is running double digits and has been for a number of years.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2092.html

Yes, in most cases, the inflation rates are 2008 estimates, but I'd be shocked if they're much lower than what is listed.
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2009, 08:50:42 AM »
During Watergate, when the entire foundation of the American form of Government seemed to be crumbling?
Watergate wasn't that big a deal outside the breathless hysterics of the network anchors - I mean, Main Street really didn't care that crooked politicians did crooked things to one another; it didn't impact Joe Sixpack.
Inflation in over half the world is running double digits and has been for a number of years.
I track my budget via spreadsheet, and based on what I can see, I don't have a lot of confidence in "official government" numbers for inflation in the US either; my impression is that .gov puts out numbers that are artificially low by cherry-picking data and omitting whatever doesn't fit their desired results. (I see on Mike's link that Zimbabwe's inflation was 11.2 million percent in 2008. The latest number I saw is that it was running at 231 million percent . . . per month.  :O  I don't think things will get that bad here.)
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Re: Prediction: Ammo is going to get more scarce.
« Reply #49 on: June 05, 2009, 11:27:30 AM »
You are obviously WAY too young to remember the 1970s and the early 1980s. That was nearly a frigging DECADE and a HALF of rotten economic performance, scared as hell people who were losing their jobs, two separate Arab oil embargos, Watergate, the Iran Hostage deal, mortgage rates hitting as high as 23%...

This is a goddamned walk in the park compared to that.



NOOOOOOO!!!!  This is worse because OBAMA got elected!!!!!!!!!!!!  YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DAMNIT!!!!!!!



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