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[p12]

Sorry, wrong legal term

Battery.

Or more specific

Simple battery.

[RoadKingLarry]

Too bad the awakening is coming more than a year too late.
I hope it continues.

[makattak]

Sorry, wrong legal term

Battery.

Or more specific

Simple battery.

So, despite the fact PA doesn't have Battery as a charge, but rather Aggravated Assault, where's the battery?

Battery would require actually hitting someone. Assault is a LESSER charge.

[p12]

Granted this is from wiki

Specific rules regarding battery depend on the relevant jurisdiction, however some elements remain constant despite jurisdiction. Battery generally requires:

   1. An offensive touching or contact is made upon the victim, instigated by the actor
   2. The actor intends or knows that his action will cause the offensive touching
         1. In some jurisdictions, for instance under the Model Penal Code, there is a battery when the actor acts recklessly
   3. The touching causes an injury, physical or otherwise

Battery is typically classified as either simple or aggravated. Although battery typically occurs in the context of physical altercations, battery also applies in other instances, such as medical cases where the doctor performs a non-consented to medical procedure.

Being shoved back into your chair forcefully I think would be "offensive touching".

I find it hard to believe that PA law doesn't recognize battery as a crime.

Spitting in some ones face, shoving = battery.

[MicroBalrog]

They scream things like "That's not in the bill!" but people can read and realize what the implications of a "Healthcare Effectiveness Panel" and "End of Life Consultations" are.

It's typical of what they do in general. Same how they claim "Obama isn't going to take your guns", because Obama's platform doesn't actually have a BAN GUNS IMMEDIATELY plank.

[makattak]

Granted this is from wiki

Being shoved back into your chair forcefully I think would be "offensive touching".

I find it hard to believe that PA law doesn't recognize battery as a crime.

Spitting in some ones face, shoving = battery.

I thought you were referring to the angry gentleman who left at the begining. I only saw what was available on foxnews.com so I cannot comment on someone getting shoved back into their chair. My apologies for misunderstanding.

[Jamisjockey]

This isn't a thread about assault and battery.

[LadySmith]

And, Specter said: "The objectors have gotten ahead of the curve." Asked why, he cited talk radio, among other factors.

Interesting how Specter makes "ahead of the curve" seem like it's a bad thing.

"There is more anger in America today than at any time I can remember," Specter said.

Yet he appears somewhat oblivious to the fact that he's a part of what so many people are so angry about.

[Jamisjockey]

My favorite this morning is the AP news story about how all the politicians think the angry crowds aren't indicative of what America wants.  Despite flagging poll support for "reform".  And, the story is accompanied with the picture of the Swastika on Congressman David Scott's office sign.
 :rolleyes:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_protests;_ylt=At6aeC7XknyGLDefwPM8z1GyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTJvcHBqNDMwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwODEyL3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX3Byb3Rlc3RzBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNzcGVjdGVycHJvdGU-

  By MERRILL HARTSON, Associated Press Writer Merrill Hartson, Associated Press Writer   – 44 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Sen. Arlen Specter said Wednesday he thinks people who have been angrily disrupting town hall meetings on overhauling the health care system are "not necessarily representative of America," but should be heard.

"It's more than health care," said Specter, 79, who earlier this year left the Republican Party and became a Democrat. "I think there is a mood in America of anger with so many people unemployed, with so much bickering in Washington ... with the fear of losing their health care. It all boils over."

[Monkeyleg]

"It's more than health care," said Specter, 79, who earlier this year left the Republican Party and became a Democrat. "I think there is a mood in America of anger with so many people unemployed, with so much bickering in Washington ... with the fear of losing their health care. It all boils over."

Yep. There's all these people unemployed whose jobs the stimulus package was to create or save. There's so much bickering in DC with the Divine Uniter in office. And people wouldn't be afraid of losing their health care if they'd just shut up and let Specter and the other Dem's pass the health care demolition bill.

There is none so blind as he who will not see.

[LadySmith]

"I think they're vocal. I don't think they're representative." [Specter said]

Not representative?
Next he'll be claiming something else, such as the protesters are just bitter and clinging to guns and religion.

[K Frame]

I can't believe that they Democrats seem hell bent on handing the Republicans sucn an effect club with which to beat them in next year's mid terms.

This is starting to look more and more like 1993, when Clinton rammed through a huge tax increase and essentially told those opposed to stuff it.

What they stuffed was Democratic control of Congress.

It's looking more and more like this one issue could turn around the entire Democratic drive to power, and its incredible that so many of them just don't see it.

[RoadKingLarry]

Except I don't think there are enough people at the top of the RNC that are smart enough to take advantage of it.

[SADShooter]

RKL beat me to it. I can easily see conservatives wasting this momentum shift to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Back in '92 and '93 there was nobody at the top of the GOP, either.  Now, as then, someone will emerge to take advantage of the situation, to further his own ambitions as well as the ambitions of the party.

[longeyes]

Who says the GOP is the future?

I think a lot of people who don't like Obama realize the GOP is part of the problem.  We didn't get here without the enabling of many Republicans, including some of the most influential.  Even now the GOP just wants a kinder, gentler variety of Obamaism--and nice jets.

We are going to need a deep and thorough-going overhaul of the entire political process and structure, starting with things like term limits and reaching into sensitive areas like suffrage qualifications, if anything resembling America is to survive.

[K Frame]

Back in '92 and '93 there was nobody at the top of the GOP, either.  Now, as then, someone will emerge to take advantage of the situation, to further his own ambitions as well as the ambitions of the party.

Yep. Democrats figured that after 12 years of Republicans in the White House, with the Gipper gone, and what was seen as a general failure of the Bush presidency, that they would have no problems keeping control of the House. The Senate was iffier given the large number of open seats that had been held by Dems, but even there they were confident.

They figured the Republican base was staggered, the Democratic base was too powerful to overcome, and that the angst that had arisen in the country over Hillarycare (as one pundit called Hillary's health care commission), the huge tax increases in the budget, Gays in the Military, and a host of other smaller issues would peter out by the mid term elections.

Just a few weeks before the election Democrats were confidently predicting that they were going to add to their lead in the House.

It was an incredibly brutal shock to the Democratic party leadership when the returns started pouring in.

No one, I don't think even the Republicans, thought that they were going to pick up 54 seats in the House.

An even greater shock was the defeat of Tom Foley, the sitting speaker of the House.

[RocketMan]

Don't be countin' them chickens before they hatch, folks.  I doubt the Repubs will pick up more than a few seats in both houses next year.  There is no chance control of either house will swing the other way.
Health Care Reform will pass both houses before the end of October, Obama will sign it into law, and the electorate will put the next 13 months to good use forgetting their current angst over the issue.

[Harold Tuttle]

I went by the Specter Town Hall this morning

The room was closed at 8:30 AM and there was no external feed from the facility

I talked to a cop and he said there was a line a 6:30 AM and only 400 people were let into the room

there was a milling crowd of ~150 people in the courtyard and no signs of press outside

There was a huge bus labeled Hands off my Health Care: Patients first

I saw more antis than pro universal health care people

[K Frame]

Democrats were saying the same thing about the 1993 budget right up to the last few days before the election.

How did that turn out for them?

Nothing, of course, is set in stone, and it's impossible to predict the future.

But the anger levels that are brewing right now? I've not seen anything like it since the late 1970s during the end of Carter's presidency.

[K Frame]

Where was it being held, Tuttle?

Penn State?

Yep, Penn State.

From the Centre Daily Times, the newspaper up there...

http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1447065.html

[makattak]

Where was it being held, Tuttle?

Penn State?

Yep, Penn State.

From the Centre Daily Times, the newspaper up there...

http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1447065.html

Huh, I thought that yesterday the light was beginning to dawn on him.

Instead, it appears he's been able to rationalize it away. It's all Rush Limbaugh's fault:

Specter told Democrats that the greatest difficulty in getting the health reform issues understood “is that Rush Limbaugh has the biggest audience around.”

“He’s taken over the Republican Party and now he wants to take over the country,” Specter said.

Here's the funny thing, Senator: he has that audience because of the free market. That means, he has to supply something the people want. Wonder what that says about the concerns he is voicing about healthcare?

[Perd Hapley]

Specter told Democrats that the greatest difficulty in getting the health reform issues understood “is that Rush Limbaugh has the biggest audience around.”

“He’s taken over the Republican Party and now he wants to take over the country,” Specter said.

Now he wants to take over the country?  He's always said that he would retire when every single American agreed with him. 

The funny thing is, after McCain was nominated, people were saying that Rush Limbaugh was over and would no longer be a significant factor.  'Course, as soon as Operation Chaos was rolled out, he was all significant again. 

[Scout26]

Yep. Democrats figured that after 12 years of Republicans in the White House, with the Gipper gone, and what was seen as a general failure of the Bush presidency, that they would have no problems keeping control of the House. The Senate was iffier given the large number of open seats that had been held by Dems, but even there they were confident.

They figured the Republican base was staggered, the Democratic base was too powerful to overcome, and that the angst that had arisen in the country over Hillarycare (as one pundit called Hillary's health care commission), the huge tax increases in the budget, Gays in the Military, and a host of other smaller issues would peter out by the mid term elections.

Just a few weeks before the election Democrats were confidently predicting that they were going to add to their lead in the House.

It was an incredibly brutal shock to the Democratic party leadership when the returns started pouring in.

No one, I don't think even the Republicans, thought that they were going to pick up 54 seats in the House.

An even greater shock was the defeat of Tom Foley, the sitting speaker of the House.

Don't forget the impact that the "Contract with America" had.  As much as the media, libs, et al. try to down play it, many people read it and their vote said "Do It'.  It was when the GOP failed to live up to their end of the contract, that the American people became disillusioned.

[Brad Johnson]

It was when the GOP failed to live up to their end of the contract, that the American people became disillusioned.

They didn't fail. They said they were going to get the issues up for a vote, which they did. People see it as a fail because all the issues didn't pass.

Brad