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Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« on: August 15, 2009, 10:49:53 AM »
This is more about MSNBC than the politics discussed in the video, so I didn't put this in politics. But wow, the guy filling in for Chris Matthews, who I've never heard of before, is quite frankly an ass. I consider Bill O'Reilly to be pompous, but he can't hold a candle to this guy. The Congressman from TX presented himself admirably.

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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 11:03:33 AM »
Interesting.  Is that going to be the new strategy for the left?  To point out that the nice, comfortable things that millions of Americans depend on (soc. sec., medicare) are blatantly socialist, thus denying the pejorative of "that's socialism" to those of us on the right? 
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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2009, 11:54:23 AM »
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Interesting.  Is that going to be the new strategy for the left?  To point out that the nice, comfortable things that millions of Americans depend on (soc. sec., medicare) are blatantly socialist, thus denying the pejorative of "that's socialism" to those of us on the right?

I don't think the point was to deny him the pejorative of "that's socialism". It was simply used as a way to mock a Jeffersonian by saying he voted for a so called socialist program and calling him a hypocrite against his Jeffersonian beliefs. And if the guy said that he was against the social security then he would still mock him for being a hypocrite on that he voted for it. Basically he didn't want the guy on his show to ask him questions, he just wanted to make fun of a Jeffersonian. Man was that guy annoying.
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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2009, 11:57:49 AM »
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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2009, 12:26:51 PM »
All forms of government programs are socialist.  Its just a matter of at what point the people don't want any more. 
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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2009, 12:57:15 PM »
Interesting.  Is that going to be the new strategy for the left?  To point out that the nice, comfortable things that millions of Americans depend on (soc. sec., medicare) are blatantly socialist, thus denying the pejorative of "that's socialism" to those of us on the right? 

Seems to be that way. I've seen a lot of comments and posts on various websites making that very point. Overheard a couple co-workers the other day parroting the same line. "We trust the government to give us clean water, maintain the roads, [etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.], but letting them provide health-care is too socialist?!?!"

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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2009, 01:28:06 PM »
Makes me glad we turned off the tv years ago.  Heck, I don't even listen to talk radio anymore(except Guntalk).  What little I hear of either, just irritates me to no end.
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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2009, 01:45:55 PM »
Seems to be that way. I've seen a lot of comments and posts on various websites making that very point. Overheard a couple co-workers the other day parroting the same line. "We trust the government to give us clean water, maintain the roads, [etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.], but letting them provide health-care is too socialist?!?!"

Pretty much every government program I see on an average day is state or local.  Water, sewer, schools - all local.  Roads and police are a mix of state and local.  Power, gas, etc are all monitored or regulated primarily by the state. 

You can realistically get your voice heard on local or state issues.  If some politician or unelected desk jockey is doing something stupid, getting him canned isn't impossible.  At the fed level, reform ranges from exceedingly difficult to impossible. 

If we need a socialist healthcare system, why not at the state level?  Let states that want to be socialist do their thing, and let states that want to be less socialist do their thing?  If a citizen disagrees, they can move and still be in America. 

That's the typical argument I use with folks that want socialism.  I try not to sell it as a 'free market' brand of socialism, they might get offended.  ;)
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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2009, 02:17:33 PM »
This is why it was dangerous to put up with all the previous expansions of Federal government.

Once you put up with 3 trillion a year worth of socialism, it becomes difficult to fight off 500 billion more.
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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2009, 02:42:17 PM »
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"We trust the government to give us clean water, maintain the roads, [etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.], but letting them provide health-care is too socialist?!?!"

I've been hearing this everywhere too. Must be their new astroturf mantra.
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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2009, 02:50:21 PM »
Pretty much every government program I see on an average day is state or local.

Ditto. However I don't think the average (liberal) person differentiates much between state/local and federal. They're all "the government," and "the government" is here to care for all our needs.  ;/ =|

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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2009, 03:26:11 PM »
I don't think the point was to deny him the pejorative of "that's socialism". It was simply used as a way to mock a Jeffersonian by saying he voted for a so called socialist program and calling him a hypocrite against his Jeffersonian beliefs. And if the guy said that he was against the social security then he would still mock him for being a hypocrite on that he voted for it. Basically he didn't want the guy on his show to ask him questions, he just wanted to make fun of a Jeffersonian. Man was that guy annoying.

But remember, this is the (guest) host of a national show saying that SS and Medicare are "thoroughly socialist."  That in itself is unheard of.  He completed the strategy by trying to get a Republican to come out against the socialism that pays Grandpa's grocery bills.
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Re: Why MSNBC Ratings are in the Tank
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2009, 04:16:16 PM »
Combine that DB with Olberman, Maddow, and Schultz and you don't even need to ask why their ratings suck so bad.  It's like Air America on TV.
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