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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2009, 05:23:01 PM »
And what of us who own Wookie suits and live our own basements?  We've consistently voted against the War on (Some) Drugs, do we still pay for the folly of our neighbors?

Let those who acted directly pay the cost for this idiocy.  Maybe their fellows would learn from the example.

That's an interesting idea, so long as it's applied to every govt. program or policy, across the board.  Seems it would demolish the whole idea of the secret ballot, but still an interesting proposal. 
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2009, 06:08:23 PM »
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And what of us who own Wookie suits and live our own basements?  We've consistently voted against the War on (Some) Drugs, do we still pay for the folly of our neighbors?

As someone who paid 60% of his income in tax for two years: me, I'd rather my money go to compensate victims of the state than for more abuse.

Most people though - probably over 90% of the population - cheer on the War on Drugs. Had actual crack been found on this person, they'd be cheering on him losing his livelihood and being imprisoned. They voted for more police authority and more penalties and more prisons. I'd say they're morally culpable and should bear the price. Decisions have consequences, remember?
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2009, 06:17:36 PM »
Most people though - probably over 90% of the population - cheer on the War on Drugs.



do tell  and where did you garner/pluck that "fact"





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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2009, 06:23:54 PM »
...amazingly this is why I used the word "probably". 

There's not even majority support for marijuana legalization [the most optimistic pollsters peg it at 41%]. Complete end to the WoD? Maybe, if you're lucky, you'll get 10% of the population to back that. Maybe. If you know otherwise, feel free to correct me.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2009, 06:24:53 PM »
Quite obviously, the people who would want to end prohibition on marijuana are too lazy to answer the pollsters. Duh.  =D
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2009, 06:26:53 PM »
well our new drug czar favors ending the war on drugs so thats a good start
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2009, 06:28:37 PM »
well our new drug czar favors ending the war on drugs so thats a good start

Doesn't he just mean some 'decriminalization" stuff?
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2009, 06:29:32 PM »
not sure i wait to see if hes got any backing
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2009, 06:32:18 PM »
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124225891527617397.html

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration's new drug czar says he wants to banish the idea that the U.S. is fighting "a war on drugs," a move that would underscore a shift favoring treatment over incarceration in trying to reduce illicit drug use.

In his first interview since being confirmed to head the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, Gil Kerlikowske said Wednesday the bellicose analogy was a barrier to dealing with the nation's drug issues.

"Regardless of how you try to explain to people it's a 'war on drugs' or a 'war on a product,' people see a war as a war on them," he said. "We're not at war with people in this country."



Mr. Kerlikowske's comments are a signal that the Obama administration is set to follow a more moderate -- and likely more controversial -- stance on the nation's drug problems. Prior administrations talked about pushing treatment and reducing demand while continuing to focus primarily on a tough criminal-justice approach.

The Obama administration is likely to deal with drugs as a matter of public health rather than criminal justice alone, with treatment's role growing relative to incarceration, Mr. Kerlikowske said.
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Already, the administration has called for an end to the disparity in how crimes involving crack cocaine and powder cocaine are dealt with. Critics of the law say it unfairly targeted African-American communities, where crack is more prevalent.

The administration also said federal authorities would no longer raid medical-marijuana dispensaries in the 13 states where voters have made medical marijuana legal. Agents had previously done so under federal law, which doesn't provide for any exceptions to its marijuana prohibition.
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    During the presidential campaign, President Barack Obama also talked about ending the federal ban on funding for needle-exchange programs, which are used to stem the spread of HIV among intravenous-drug users.

The drug czar doesn't have the power to enforce any of these changes himself, but Mr. Kerlikowske plans to work with Congress and other agencies to alter current policies. He said he hasn't yet focused on U.S. policy toward fighting drug-related crime in other countries.

Mr. Kerlikowske was most recently the police chief in Seattle, a city known for experimenting with drug programs. In 2003, voters there passed an initiative making the enforcement of simple marijuana violations a low priority. The city has long had a needle-exchange program and hosts Hempfest, which draws tens of thousands of hemp and marijuana advocates.

Seattle currently is considering setting up a project that would divert drug defendants to treatment programs.

Mr. Kerlikowske said he opposed the city's 2003 initiative on police priorities. His officers, however, say drug enforcement -- especially for pot crimes -- took a back seat, according to Sgt. Richard O'Neill, president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild. One result was an open-air drug market in the downtown business district, Mr. O'Neill said.

"The average rank-and-file officer is saying, 'He can't control two blocks of Seattle, how is he going to control the nation?' " Mr. O'Neill said.

Sen. Tom Coburn, the lone senator to vote against Mr. Kerlikowske, was concerned about the permissive attitude toward marijuana enforcement, a spokesman for the conservative Oklahoma Republican said.
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Others said they are pleased by the way Seattle police balanced the available options. "I think he believes there is a place for using the criminal sanctions to address the drug-abuse problem, but he's more open to giving a hard look to solutions that look at the demand side of the equation," said Alison Holcomb, drug-policy director with the Washington state American Civil Liberties Union.

Mr. Kerlikowske said the issue was one of limited police resources, adding that he doesn't support efforts to legalize drugs. He also said he supports needle-exchange programs, calling them "part of a complete public-health model for dealing with addiction."

Mr. Kerlikowske's career began in St. Petersburg, Fla. He recalled one incident as a Florida undercover officer during the 1970s that spurred his thinking that arrests alone wouldn't fix matters.

"While we were sitting there, the guy we're buying from is smoking pot and his toddler comes over and he blows smoke in the toddler's face," Mr. Kerlikowske said. "You go home at night, and you think of your own kids and your own family and you realize" the depth of the problem.

Since then, he has run four police departments, as well as the Justice Department's Office of Community Policing during the Clinton administration.

Ethan Nadelmann of the Drug Policy Alliance, a group that supports legalization of medical marijuana, said he is "cautiously optimistic" about Mr. Kerlikowske. "The analogy we have is this is like turning around an ocean liner," he said. "What's important is the damn thing is beginning to turn."

James Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police, the nation's largest law-enforcement labor organization, said that while he holds Mr. Kerlikowske in high regard, police officers are wary.

"While I don't necessarily disagree with Gil's focus on treatment and demand reduction, I don't want to see it at the expense of law enforcement. People need to understand that when they violate the law there are consequences."

Write to Gary Fields at gary.fields@wsj.com
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2009, 06:34:11 PM »
...I was just about to post that as a backing to my point. LOL.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2009, 06:50:02 PM »
http://www.pollingreport.com/drugs.htm

I don't see how anything there relates directly to my original statement.

By an "end to the war on drugs" I mean "legalize all drugs". To my knowledge, opposition to such a plan would be overwhelming. None of these polls on that site ever mention that in any way.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2009, 06:55:09 PM »
I want to know how in the hell the legal system allowed a man to be locked up for three months with zero evidence.

Since when does "the stuff we think are drugs are still at the lab" count as evidence?
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2009, 07:17:16 PM »
I don't see how anything there relates directly to my original statement.

By an "end to the war on drugs" I mean "legalize all drugs". To my knowledge, opposition to such a plan would be overwhelming. None of these polls on that site ever mention that in any way.


yea  as frightening as this might be to both of us i am amongst that very small group of folks who support "legalize it all let darwin sort it out"
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2009, 07:18:52 PM »
I want to know how in the hell the legal system allowed a man to be locked up for three months with zero evidence.

Since when does "the stuff we think are drugs are still at the lab" count as evidence?

for him to be held like that he must have no ties to area or some prior stuff. unless they set high bond for possesion down there. virginia can be troublesome that way
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2009, 07:27:18 PM »

yea  as frightening as this might be to both of us i am amongst that very small group of folks who support "legalize it all let darwin sort it out"

Well, my entire point is that that "group" is exceedingly small.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2009, 07:29:38 PM »
and for that group to grow its important to be credible. its too easy for  the unenlightened to dismiss us as ranting dope fiends. i try to disabuse em of that
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2009, 07:31:25 PM »
*blinks*

Yet again I agree, but that has no relevance to my original point.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2009, 07:35:25 PM »
it does if you consider that when you throw stats out those who are opposed are poised to analyze and discredit them. and by association your position/argument
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2009, 08:42:23 PM »
for him to be held like that he must have no ties to area or some prior stuff. unless they set high bond for possesion down there. virginia can be troublesome that way
To hold and set a bond (especially a high one) I would imagine they would need at least some evidence other then the guy was chomping on something that the officer thought was crack. 

Either the judge was on crack or the article isn't mentioning something.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2009, 08:49:06 PM »
in va a prior felony requires a cash bond  no matter how lame the charge or what kinda community ties you have
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2009, 08:51:07 PM »
By an "end to the war on drugs" I mean "legalize all drugs". To my knowledge, opposition to such a plan would be overwhelming. None of these polls on that site ever mention that in any way.

How about if we just legalize the stuff that Microbalrog has no intention of doing?  I, for one, would find it amusing.  :P
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2009, 08:55:29 PM »
How about if we just legalize the stuff that Microbalrog has no intention of doing?  I, for one, would find it amusing.  :P

Amazingly I have no intention of doing any drugs except for caffeine. Which is legal.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2009, 08:55:50 PM »
in va a prior felony requires a cash bond  no matter how lame the charge or what kinda community ties you have
I wasn't aware of that.  
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2009, 08:58:17 PM »
was amongst a passle of get tuff on crime laws   kinda like 3 strikes and mandatory sentences
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