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Re: Eastern European Missile Shield Scrapped
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2009, 02:05:56 PM »
Do I not understand correctly that the purpose of the system was to allow early-stage interception of Russian missiles and Iranian IRBMs?

To the contrary, it wouldn't do anything for Iranian IRBMs or Russian ICBMs.

The flight profile for Russian ICBMs have them going over the North Pole. This would be away from the Eastern European missile defense site and makes intercept form that location very difficult given that they'd be playing catch up. The Alaskan site is far more suited to defending against Russian ICBMs.

As for Iranians IRBMs, that's better suited for other defensive systems, such as SM-3s, PAC-3s, and other shorter range defensive systems. That's the band-aid Obama's promising to the Europeans and why he's able to claim that they would be better defended against Iranian ballistic missiles. Which, technically speaking, is correct. The new 'plan' does improve Europeans safety against ballistic missile threats.

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I don't have any problem with this.  Those defensive missile systems have little-to-no value if defending actual Americans back here at home, and are something that Europe primarily benefits from, in regards to Russia and the Middle East.

The entire point of the missile defense system that was to be installed in Eastern Europe was to protect the East Coast from attack by Iranian ballistic missile attack. The West Coast is already covered with batteries in Alaska and California. Iran has already shown that they can launch satellites and there's not too much technological difference between executing a satellite launch and a fractional orbital bombardment.

Placing it in Eastern Europe instead of the East Coast makes intercept easier and is a huge show of support for former Soviet Bloc countries in their efforts to distance themselves from Russia.
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Re: Eastern European Missile Shield Scrapped
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2009, 02:14:59 PM »
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Placing it in Eastern Europe instead of the East Coast makes intercept easier and is a huge show of support for former Soviet Bloc countries in their efforts to distance themselves from Russia.

And scrapping it does the exact opposite...

Good post, Marvin.
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Re: Eastern European Missile Shield Scrapped
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2009, 03:18:36 PM »
I think Obama has just passed the word to Israel to go ahead with a strike on Iran. 

The deal?  Russia does not want ABM's in their former front yard.  The US wants Iran to stop with the nukes but expect Russia to hinder any US actions.  Meanwhile the bad cop in the scenario (Israel) is getting really edgie. 

Classic win-win-win deal.  Russia get the missiles gone.  Israel gets to do what is will eventually have to do only now with muted protest.  US gets rid of Iranian missile and leaves no fingerprints.

Now wasn't that easy!
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Re: Eastern European Missile Shield Scrapped
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2009, 04:29:59 PM »
I don't think BHO is that bright.  I would be willing to bet he got zero concessions from Putin and did it as a "sign of good faith."

See, BHO & folks like him are both ridiculously idealistic about foreign gov'ts as well as obnoxiously condescending to them.  They think that all the hostility and anti-American actions by foreigners are due to America's actions.  Foreign countries have no interests of their own, they are idiot children responding to America's carrots & sticks.

There is no up-side to his betrayal of the decent countries on the border of the Russian hegemon and his tongue-bath of Putin's boots. 

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Re: Eastern European Missile Shield Scrapped
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2009, 05:07:12 PM »
I agree with your assessment save for one caveat. 

Israel is the ultimate reality in the game.  Makes no difference what ideology the US holds, Israel is a knife inserted between the ribs of the US body politic.  Israel will do what ever it takes to survive and if it means creating a major mess for the US, too bad.  Israel can not tolerate the existence of a nuke armed Iran and will therefore fix the problem regardless of what the US and others think.  That said the US has only one option; salvage as much control over the outcome as possible and minimize blow back when it occurs.  Obama may want the Israeli problem to go away but it ain't.  I know our president thinks it is all about him.  Frankly, he's irrelevant to unfolding events. 

Oh BTW, what I postulate here is my view of what is; not what should be.

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Re: Eastern European Missile Shield Scrapped
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2009, 05:11:19 PM »
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Israel can not tolerate the existence of a nuke armed Iran and will therefore fix the problem regardless of what the US and others think.

I seriously begin to think otherwise, these days. I think the whole Iran thing is overblown by everybody involved - Ahmadinejad, Bibi, etc. etc. - for their various benefits.
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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2009, 07:34:13 PM »
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I seriously begin to think otherwise, these days. I think the whole Iran thing is overblown by everybody involved - Ahmadinejad, Bibi, etc. etc. - for their various benefits.

Interesting.  Ahmadinejad is still threatening to remove Israel from the map.  I am assuming they are still funding Hezbollah.  The window for Israel to act to prevent a second nuclear power in the region, and one that is openly hostile, seems to me to be rapidly closing.  Once Iran has a weapon, you can no longer destroy the program to develop the weapon. 

Obviously Bibi's domestic policy is pro-settlement, but I would have thought part of his foreign policy would be the prevention of a situation where there is a second, overtly hostile, nuclear power.

I've tried to figure out the different chess moves involved in this policy, and the only one that I can't figure out is the next Israeli move.  I still believe that there was a trade made with Putin over the missile systems in return for his support in halting the Iranian nuclear program (or supporting sanctions overtly).  This means that the US has used the defense systems in Eastern Europe as a chip to get a nice neat foreign diplomacy trophy.

Regardless of whether the Russians will deliver on any promises (which I don't think they will), I don't think that the Iranians will put the genie back in the bottle.  Which still leaves Israel faced with the same problems they have now, but assuming there is a deal announced where Iran is "dismantling its nuclear program", Israel has the same options it has now, but without the 'political cover'.

Here's how I see it playing out:
1.  Moscow leans on Iran to fulfill the quid pro quo.
2.  Iran announces that it is suspending it's program.
3.  Obama announces a diplomatic victory.
4.  Iran covertly restarts its program.
5.  The UN inspectors can't find it.
6.  The Israelis get intel.
7.  They take it out.
8.  Massive condemnation by everyone, including the US.

I only offer Osirak and our experiences with North Korea as a basis for my reasoning.

IMHO, Obama has sold out more than the Poles and the Czechs.
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Re: Eastern European Missile Shield Scrapped
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2009, 08:07:56 PM »
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I still believe that there was a trade made with Putin over the missile systems in return for his support in halting the Iranian nuclear program (or supporting sanctions overtly).  This means that the US has used the defense systems in Eastern Europe as a chip to get a nice neat foreign diplomacy trophy.

I don't have enough faith in our current administration to believe that they could pull something as complex as this off.
Two things come to mind:

1) Leftists in this country (and others as well) hate the idea of missle defense.  They have always wanted it gone.  (A subtext to this is that the whole notion of missle defense having sprung from Republican adminstrations.)
It may have been canceled soley because of this, no secret machinations involved.

2) Leftists are all about appeasement where our enemies are concerned.  They call it diplomacy, but it's not.  It's much easier for a leftist to appease an enemy and claim "Peace in our time", than it is to make hard decisions, take the difficult but righteous path.

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Re: Eastern European Missile Shield Scrapped
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2009, 08:12:08 PM »
Russia is a de facto sterile nation--except for its Muslim minority.  But half its military is already Muslim, and that percentage will continue to grow.  Factor that into your scenario for a brave new world.
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Re: Eastern European Missile Shield Scrapped
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2009, 10:10:26 AM »
The stratfor piece came later than I thought it would, but it's here.


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The BMD Decision and the Global System

By George Friedman | September 21, 2009
The United States announced late Sept. 17 that it would abandon a plan for placing ballistic missile defense (BMD) installations in Poland and the Czech Republic. Instead of the planned system, which was intended to defend primarily against a potential crude intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) threat from Iran against the United States, the administration chose a restructured system that will begin by providing some protection to Europe using U.S. Navy ships based on either the North or Mediterranean seas. The Obama administration has argued that this system will be online sooner than the previously planned system and that follow-on systems will protect the United States. It was also revealed that the latest National Intelligence Estimate finds that Iran is further away from having a true intercontinental missile capability than previously thought, meaning protecting Europe is a more pressing concern than protecting the United States.
Poland and the Czech Republic responded with a sense of U.S. betrayal, while Russia expressed its satisfaction with the decision. Russian envoy to NATO Dmitri Rogozin said Moscow welcomes the decision and sees it as an appropriate response to Russia’s offer to allow U.S. supplies to flow into Afghanistan through Russia. Later, the Russians added another reward: They tentatively announced the cancellation of plans to deploy short-range ballistic missiles in Kaliningrad, which they previously had planned as a response to the components of the U.S. BMD system planned for Poland and the Czech Republic.
Polish Despair and Russian Delight
Polish despair (and Warsaw seemed far more upset than Prague) and Russian satisfaction must be explained to begin to understand the global implications. To do this, we must begin with an odd fact: The planned BMD system did not in and of itself enhance Polish national security in any way even if missiles had actually targeted Warsaw, since the long-range interceptors in Poland were positioned there to protect the continental United States; missiles falling on Poland would likely be outside the engagement envelope of the original Ground-based Midcourse Defense interceptors. The system was designed to handle very few missiles originating from the Middle East, and the Russians obviously have more than a few missiles.
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Given that even small numbers of missiles easily could overwhelm the system, the BMD system in no way directly affected Russian national security: The Russian strike capability — against both Poland and the continental United States — was not affected at all. Indeed, placing the system on ships is no less threatening than placing them on land. So, if it was the BMD system the Russians were upset with, they should be no less upset by the redeployment at sea. Yet Moscow is pleased by what has happened — which means the BMD system was not really the issue.
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For Poland, the BMD system was of little importance. What was important was that in placing the system in Poland, the United States obviously was prepared to defend the system from all threats. Since the system could not be protected without also protecting Poland, the BMD installation — and the troops and defensive systems that would accompany it — was seen as a U.S. guarantee on Polish national security even though the system itself was irrelevant to Polish security.
The Russians took the same view. They cared little about the BMD system itself; what they objected to was the presence of a U.S. strategic capability in Poland because this represented an American assertion that Poland was actively under the defense of the United States. Of particular note from the Russian point of view was that such a guarantee would be independent of NATO. The NATO alliance has seen better days, and the Russians (and Poles) perceive an implicit American security guarantee as more threatening than an explicit one from NATO.
This whole chain of events was an exercise in the workings of the Post-Post-Cold War World, in which Russia is a strong regional power seeking to protect its influence in the former Soviet Union (FSU) and to guarantee its frontiers as well — something that in the West has often been misinterpreted as a neurotic need for respect. Poland is the traditional route through which Russia is invaded, and the Russian view is that governments and intentions change but capabilities do not. Whatever Washington intends now, it is asserting dominance in a region that has been the route for three invasions over the last two centuries. By the Russian logic, if the United States has no interest in participating in such an invasion, it should not be interested in Poland. If the United States chooses Poland of all places to deploy its BMD when so many other locations were willing and possible, the Russians are not prepared to regard this choice as merely coincidence.
Overall, the Russians desire a new map of the region, one with two layers. First, Russia must be recognized as the dominant power in the former Soviet Union. The United States and Europe must shape bilateral relations with other former Soviet states within the framework of this understanding. Second, Central Europe — and particularly Poland — must not become a base for U.S. power. The United States and Europe must accept that Russia has no aggressive intent, but more to the point, Poland in particular must become a neutral buffer zone between Russia and Germany. It can sign whatever treaties it wants, attend whatever meetings it wishes and so forth, but major military formations of other great powers must remain out of Poland. Russia sees the BMD system as the first step in militarizing Poland, and the Russians have acted accordingly.
From the standpoint of the Bush administration and the Obama administration early on, the Russian claims to great power status, rights in the former Soviet Union and interests in Poland represented a massive overreach. The perception of both administrations derived from an image developed in the 1990s of Russia as crippled. The idea of Russia as a robust regional power, albeit with significant economic problems, simply didn’t register. There were two generations at work. The older Cold War generation did not trust Russian intentions and wanted to create a cordon around Russia — including countries like Georgia, Ukraine and, most important, Poland — because Russia could become a global threat again. The newer post-Cold War generation — which cut its teeth in the 1990s — wanted to ignore Russia and do what it wished both in Central Europe and the former Soviet Union because Russia was no longer a significant power, and the generation saw the need to develop a new system of relationships. In the end, all this congealed in the deployments in Poland and the Czech Republic.
For Russia, Poland mattered in ways the United States could not grasp given its analytic framework. But the United States had its own strategic obsession: Iran.
Iran: The U.S. Strategic Obsession
The Islamic world has been the focus of the United States since 9/11. In this context, the development of an Iranian nuclear capability was seen as a fundamental threat to U.S. national interests. The obvious response was a military strike to destroy Iranian power, but both the Bush and Obama administrations hesitated to take the step.
First, a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities would be no one-day affair. Intelligence on precise locations had uncertainty built into it, and any strike would consist of multiple phases: destroying Iran’s air force and navy, destroying Iran’s anti-aircraft capability to guarantee total command of the skies, the attacks on the nuclear facilities themselves, analysis of the damage, perhaps a second wave, and of course additional attacks to deal with any attempted Iranian retaliation. The target set would be considerable, and would extend well beyond the targets directly related to the nuclear program, making such an operation no simple matter.
Second, Iran has the ability to respond in a number of ways. One is unleashing terrorist attacks worldwide via Hezbollah. But the most significant response would be blocking the Strait of Hormuz using either anti-ship missiles or naval mines. The latter are more threatening largely because the clearing operation could take a considerable period and it would be difficult to know when you had cleared all of the mines. Tankers and their loads are worth about $170 million at current prices, and that uncertainty could cause owners to refuse the trip. Oil exports could fall dramatically, and the effect on the global economy — particularly now amid the global financial crisis — could be absolutely devastating. Attacking Iran would be an air-sea battle, and could even include limited ground forces inserted to ensure that the nuclear facilities were destroyed.
The country most concerned with all of this is Israel. The Iranians had given every indication that they plan to build a nuclear capability and use it against Israel. Israel’s vulnerability to such a strike is enormous, and there are serious questions about Israel’s ability to use the threat of a counterstrike as a deterrent to such a strike. In our view, Iran is merely creating a system to guarantee regime survival, but given the tenor of Tehran’s statements, Israel cannot afford to take this view complacently.
Israel could unilaterally draw the United States into an airstrike on Iran. Were Israel to strike Iran by any means, it most likely would lack the ability to conduct an extended air campaign. And the United States could not suffer the consequences of airstrikes without the benefits of taking out Iran’s nuclear program. Apart from the political consequences, the U.S. Navy would be drawn into the suppression of Iranian naval capabilities in the Persian Gulf whether it wanted to or not simply to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. Even if Iran didn’t act to close off the strait, Washington would have to assume that it might, an eventuality it could not afford. So an Israeli attack would likely draw in the United States against Iran one way or another. The United States has had no appetite for such an eventuality, particularly since it considers a deliverable Iranian nuclear weapon a ways off. The U.S. alternative — in both administrations — was diplomatic.
Israel and Complications to the Diplomatic Alternative
Washington wanted to create a coalition of powers able to impose sanctions on Iran. At meetings over the summer, the Obama administration appears to have promised Israel “crippling” sanctions to prevent any unilateral Israel action. At an April G-8 meeting, it was decided that Iran must engage in serious negotiations on its nuclear program prior to the next G-8 meeting — on Sept. 24 — or face these sanctions.
The crippling sanctions foreseen were some sort of interruption of the flow of gasoline into Iran, which imports 40 percent of its supply despite being a net exporter of crude. Obviously, in order for this to work, all of the G-8 nations (and others) must participate, particularly Russia. Russia has the capacity to produce and transport all of Iran’s needs, not just its import requirements. If the Russians don’t participate, there are no sanctions.
The Russians announced weeks ago that they opposed new sanctions on Iran and would not participate in them. Moreover, they seemed to flout the ineffectiveness of any U.S. sanctions. With that, the diplomatic option on Iran was off the table. Russia is not eager to see Iran develop nuclear weapons, but it sees the United States as the greater threat at the moment. Moscow’s fundamental fear is that the United States — and Israel — will dramatically strengthen Ukraine, Georgia and other states in the FSU and on its periphery, and that Russia’s strategic goal of national security through pre-eminence in the region will be lost.
From the Russian point of view, the U.S. desire for Russian help with Iran is incompatible with the U.S. desire to pursue its own course in the FSU and countries like Poland. From the U.S. point of view, these were two entirely different matters that should be handled in a different venue. But Washington didn’t get to choose in this matter. This was a Russian decision. The Russians faced what they saw as an existential threat, believing that the U.S. strategy threatened the long-term survival of the Russian Federation. The Russians were not prepared to support a U.S. solution for Iran without American support on Russian concerns. The Americans ultimately did not understand that the Russians had shifted out of the era in which the United States could simply dictate to them. Now, the United States had to negotiate with the Russians on terms Moscow set, or the United States would have to become more directly threatening to Russia. Becoming more threatening was not an option with U.S. forces scattered all over the Middle East. Therefore, the United States had to decide what it wanted.
American attention in the run-up to the Oct. 1 talks with Iran was focused by Israel. The Obama administration had adopted an interesting two-tier position on Israel. On the one hand, it was confronting Israel on halting settlement activity in the West Bank; on the other hand, it was making promises to Israel on Iran. The sense in Israel was that the Obama administration was altering Washington’s traditional support for Israel. Since Iran was a critical threat to Israel, and since Israel might not have a better chance to strike than now, the Obama administration began to realize that its diplomatic option had failed, and that the decision on war and peace with Iran was not in its hands but in Israel’s, since Israel was prepared to act unilaterally and draw the United States into a war. Given that the Obama diplomatic initiative had failed and that the administration’s pressure on Israel had created a sense of isolation in Israel, the situation could now well spiral out of control.
Although all of these things operated in different bureaucratic silos in Washington, and participants in each silo could suffer under the illusion that the issues were unrelated, the matters converged hurriedly last week. Uncertain what leverage it had over Israel, the United States decided to reach out to the Russians. Washington sought a way to indicate to the Russians that it was prepared to deal with Russia in a different way while simultaneously giving away as little as possible. That little was the redeployment of BMD components originally planned for Poland and the Czech Republic to ships. (Money already has been allocated to upgrade additional Atlantic-based Aegis warships to BMD capability.) Whatever the military and engineering issues involved, whatever the desire not to conflate U.S. strategic relations with Israel with pressure on the settlement issue, whatever the desire to “reset” relations without actually giving the Russians anything, the silos collapsed and a gesture was made.
From the Russian point of view, the gesture is welcome but insufficient. They are not going to solve a major strategic problem for the United States simply in return for moving the BMD. For that, the United States got access to Afghanistan through Russia if desired, and the removal of missiles in Kaliningrad. The Americans also got a different atmosphere at meetings between U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Dmitri Medvedev at the United Nations next week. But the sine qua non for Russian help on Iran is Russia’s sphere of influence in the FSU. The public relations aspect of how this sphere is announced is not critical. That the U.S. agrees to it is.
This is the foreign policy test all U.S. presidents face. Obama now has three choices.
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Re: Eastern European Missile Shield Scrapped
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2009, 10:26:43 AM »
Probably jacked up the formatting, but exceeded the 20k limit...

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1.   He can make the deal with Russia. But every day that passes, Russia is creating the reality of domination in the FSU, so its price for a deal will continue to rise from simply recognizing their sphere of influence to extending it to neutralizing Poland.
2.   He can select the military option of an air campaign against Iran. But this means accepting the risk to maritime traffic in the Persian Gulf and the potentially devastating impact on the global economy if oil exports through the Strait of Hormuz are impacted significantly.
3.   He can wait to see how things unfold, and place overwhelming pressure on Israel not to attack. But this means finding a way to place the pressure: Israel in 2009 does not have the dependence on the United States it had in 1973.
The Importance of Poland
Ultimately, the question of Iran is secondary. The question of U.S.-Russian relations is now paramount. And ultimately, policymakers don’t really have as much freedom to make choices as they would like. Under any of these scenarios, the United States doesn’t have the power to stop Russian dominance in the FSU, but it does have the ability to block further Russian expansion on the North European Plain. Preventing an amalgamation between Russia and Europe is a fundamental interest to the United States; neutralizing Poland and depending on Germany as the Russian-European frontier is not inviting — especially as Germany has no interest in reprising the role it played from 1945 to 1991.
The United States has an Iran crisis, but it is not its fundamental geopolitical problem. Interestingly, the Iran crisis is highlighting the real issue, which is Russia. It is Russia that is blocking a solution to Iran because Russian and American interests have profoundly diverged. What is emerging from Iran is the issue of Russia. And obviously, when Russia becomes an issue, so does Poland. If the United States acts to limit Russia, it will act in Poland, and not with BMD systems.
The Obama administration’s decision to withdraw BMD is insufficient to entice Russia into assisting with Iran. An agreement to respect Russian rights in the FSU would be sufficient (and in a way would merely recognize what is already in place). Obama might quietly give that assurance. But if he does, the United States will not add Poland to the pile of concessions. The greater the concessions in the FSU, the more important Poland becomes. The idea of conceding both Russian hegemony in the FSU and the neutralization of Poland in exchange for Russian pressure on Iran is utterly disproportionate.
The United States has already completed delivery of 48 late-model F-16C/Ds with advanced offensive capabilities to Poland. That matters far more to Polish national security than BMD. In the U.S. tradition with allies — particularly allies with strong lobbies in the United States, where the Polish lobby is immense — disappointment on one weapon system usually results in generosity with other, more important systems (something the Poles must learn).
As the United States has a strong military option in Iran, redrawing the map of Europe to avoid using that option — regardless of Polish fears at the moment — is unlikely. Moreover, Washington also could decide to live with an Iranian nuclear capability without redrawing the map of Europe. Ultimately, the United States has made a gesture with little content and great symbolic meaning. It is hoping that the Russians are overwhelmed by the symbolism. They won’t be.
For their part, the Russians are hoping the Americans panic over Iran. The fact is that while Russia is a great regional power, it is not that great, and its region is not that critical. The Russians may be betting that Obama will fold. They made the same bet on John F. Kennedy. Obama reads the same reports that we do about how the Russians believe him to be weak and indecisive. And that is a formula for decisive — if imprudent — action.
 
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Of the three options open to Obama:
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1.   He can make the deal with Russia. But every day that passes, Russia is creating the reality of domination in the FSU, so its price for a deal will continue to rise from simply recognizing their sphere of influence to extending it to neutralizing Poland.
2.   He can select the military option of an air campaign against Iran. But this means accepting the risk to maritime traffic in the Persian Gulf and the potentially devastating impact on the global economy if oil exports through the Strait of Hormuz are impacted significantly.
3.   He can wait to see how things unfold, and place overwhelming pressure on Israel not to attack. But this means finding a way to place the pressure: Israel in 2009 does not have the dependence on the United States it had in 1973.

1.  Is absolutely untenable, to my mind.  A removable spine is of use to some professions, but the POTUS shouldn't be equipped with this option.
2.  Is probably the correct choice, but it opens up a whole new can of worms.  I'm not the POTUS, and didn't run for the office.
3.  I predict that this is what Obama will do.  It's the choice that requires the most amount of grit.

I had previously thought that there would be an announcement of a quid pro quo between Russia and Iran over this.  It appears I was wrong, and out president blinked in hopes of Russian cooperation for capitulation.  It seems we have gained absolutely nothing except the capitulation part.  Amazing...
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