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Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« on: September 27, 2009, 11:43:32 AM »
One wonders where the UN outrage is in this (not his expected whacky statements, but the confinement of two Swiss Nationals). Truly, there can be no more neutral country than Switzerland. I suppose you could argue the case that they violated diplomatic immunity procedures, but.... Oh heck -- WHY DOES ANYONE LISTEN TO THIS GUY?

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Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
By Helena Bachmann / Geneva

In his rambling diatribe to the U.N. General Assembly Wednesday, Libyan President Muammar Gaddafi criticized the world body for being unfair to small nations. This comment struck a chord with the Swiss, since Gaddafi has been on a self-proclaimed mission to destroy their little country.

A few weeks ago, Gaddafi submitted a proposal to the U.N. to abolish Switzerland and divide it up along linguistic lines, giving parts of the country to Germany, France and Italy. Although the motion was thrown out because it violates the U.N. Charter stating that no member country can threaten the existence of another, some Swiss leaders are still concerned that Libya could use its year-long presidency of the U.N. General Assembly, which began on Sept. 15, to keep up his vitriolic attacks on their country. (See TIME's Exclusive Interview with Gaddafi on Obama, Israel and Iran)

Gaddafi's animosity toward Switzerland may seem bizarre — or maybe not, given the Libyan leader's all-female bodyguard squad and penchant for pitching Bedouin tents during state visits to other countries. Relations between Libya and Switzerland soured in July 2008 when Gaddafi's son Hannibal and his wife were arrested by police in Geneva for allegedly beating their two servants at a local hotel. Gaddafi was so enraged by his son's two-day detention, he immediately retaliated by shutting down local subsidiaries of Swiss companies Nestlé and ABB in Libya, arresting two Swiss businessmen for supposed visa irregularities, canceling most commercial flights between the two countries and withdrawing about $5 billion from his Swiss bank accounts. (Read: "Libya Flips Over Swiss Detention.")

Then came Gaddafi's suggestion that Switzerland be carved up like a wheel of Swiss cheese. During the G-8 summit in Italy in July, Gaddafi said Switzerland "is a world mafia and not a state," adding that the Italian-speaking part of the country should be returned to Italy, the German-speaking part given to Germany and the French-speaking part ceded to France. In an attempt to defuse the tensions between the countries, as well as to win the release of the two Swiss nationals being held in Libya, Swiss President Hans-Rudolf Merz traveled to Tripoli in August to apologize for Hannibal's arrest. The move was highly criticized in Switzerland, with repeated calls for his resignation. (See pictures of the rise of Gaddafi.)

The reaction among the Swiss public to Gaddafi's idea of splitting up the country has been a mix of outrage and incredulity. "Even though Gaddafi is a leader of a country and the current head of the African Union, he loses credibility when he comes up with outrageous comments like that," says Daniel Warner, a political scientist at the Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva. Others see irony in Gaddafi's comments. "It's a paradox that Gaddafi wants to dismantle Switzerland because, as he claims, it is not a homogenous country, while Libya is divided by a desert into two regions that hate each other," says Baptiste Hurni, a Socialist parliamentarian who blogs about Libya. (See the Top 10 U.N. General-Assembly Moments.)

Despite the fact Gaddafi is still holding two Swiss nationals, many Swiss have found much to laugh about in his statements. The newspapers abound with tongue-in-cheek comments from readers not only questioning Gaddafi's sanity but also wondering how Switzerland would be divided up if the Libyan leader's motion were to be taken seriously. "Who is going to get the Matterthorn?" one reader asks in the Lausanne daily Le Matin. "Linguistically it belongs to Germany but geographically it borders Italy." Another reader in Le Matin said he is "scandalized that Austria is not getting its fair share," while a Geneva resident wrote that he doesn't want his region to be annexed to France and asked about the possibility of linking it to French-speaking Quebec instead.

Most everyone agrees on one point: Libya should not be casting stones. "Is the U.N. going to listen to a longstanding democracy or to a longstanding dictatorship?" 19-year-old Eduard Hediger said in a recent Le Matin podcast. If Gaddafi's long-winded speech to the General Assembly is any indication, the U.N. may not have much of a choice in the matter.
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2009, 03:45:25 PM »
You know, I could go on and on about what even having this idea tells us about Gaddafi, but then I realized Gaddafi was just a megalomaniac with a BDSM fetish and decided to let go of it.

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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2009, 04:57:51 PM »
You know, I could go on and on about what even having this idea tells us about Gaddafi, but then I realized Gaddafi was just a megalomaniac with a BDSM fetish and decided to let go of it.


Anything known about him that one can mock him for, akin to Kim Jong Il's supposed 3-4 hole-in-ones per golf round?
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2009, 05:33:35 PM »
You know, I could go on and on about what even having this idea tells us about Gaddafi, but then I realized Gaddafi was just a megalomaniac with a BDSM fetish and decided to let go of it.

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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2009, 05:37:55 PM »
I was quite pleased to see the community in which Gadaffy, last week, was attempting to pitch his tent, told him to skedaddle.
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2009, 05:54:43 PM »
Anything known about him that one can mock him for, akin to Kim Jong Il's supposed 3-4 hole-in-ones per golf round?

Gaddafy, armed with a modern military, tanks and aircraft, lost - as in, 'crushing defeat' -  a war to a bunch of Chadians in pickup trucks.
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2009, 06:16:50 PM »
Does anybody know the current political realities in his domain, vis'a'vis what might happen when he finally kicks?
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2009, 06:32:57 PM »
I'm just wondering when they are going to award him the Nobel Peace Prize...
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2009, 06:39:45 PM »
Why hasn't the DNC put him on a presidential ticket? He's perfect for them.

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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2009, 07:18:44 PM »
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"Even though Gaddafi is a leader of a country and the current head of the African Union, he loses credibility when he comes up with outrageous comments like that," says Daniel Warner, a political scientist at the Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva.
The guys is completely missing the point that Gaddafi shouldn't have any credibility to start with.  This just shows what state the UN is in these days.
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2009, 07:19:33 PM »
Why hasn't the DNC put him on a presidential ticket? He's perfect for them.
He has those all important foreign policy credentials that many Democrats lack.  :)
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2009, 07:35:28 PM »
The guys is completely missing the point that Gaddafi shouldn't have any credibility to start with.  This just shows what state the UN is in these days.

I would argue the whole concept of thE UN is inherently flawed.
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2009, 12:27:01 AM »
Why did this scumbag Gaddafi recently crawl back out from under his rock where he's been hiding since 1986?

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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2009, 12:59:02 AM »
Why did this scumbag Gaddafi recently crawl back out from under his rock where he's been hiding since 1986?

Probably because there are no longer a couple of F16's waiting to drop a cluster bomb on his head...
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2009, 09:07:26 AM »
It's ironic that the Scottish public were outraged by the release of the pan-am 103 bomber, yet there seems to be no public groundswell against the Bush/Obama policy of bringing Gaddafi in from the cold....

The political reality is, he's eager for friends so that when he dies, his thug son can keep running Libya. 

He's a master terrorist and a clown who should be on trial, not giving speeches to the UN.
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2009, 09:40:47 AM »
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It's ironic that the Scottish public were outraged by the release of the pan-am 103 bomber, yet there seems to be no public groundswell against the Bush/Obama policy of bringing Gaddafi in from the cold....

When the leader of a country that was a sponsor of terrorism renounces terrorism, is the president supposed to say, "we don't like you. Go back to sponsoring terrorism"?

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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2009, 11:29:39 AM »
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"Is the U.N. going to listen to a longstanding democracy or to a longstanding dictatorship?"
The dictatorship, silly.

The majority of countries are ruled by thugs, so their representatives in the UN will be more sympathetic to thugs.

I would argue the whole concept of thE UN is inherently flawed.

Agreed, but "flawed" understates it by several orders of magnitude.

It's ironic that the Scottish public were outraged by the release of the pan-am 103 bomber, yet there seems to be no public groundswell against the Bush/Obama policy of bringing Gaddafi in from the cold....

Actually, the Scots were indifferent.  Not many of theirs died and the majority who died were Americans.

Well, he did give up his WMD program and we have seen no Lybian terrorism in the papers...

But, your larger point is one I agree with: he ought to be in prison or hanged from the neck until dead.

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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2009, 11:35:46 AM »
While he's decrying "the world mafia" he should look closer to home.
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2009, 12:24:34 PM »
While he's decrying "the world mafia" he should look closer to home.

I saw yesterday in the London Times online that he met with Chavez and around 30 other leaders regarding the creation of a "Southern Hemisphere NATO". Pretty funny that right after they quoted him saying something about the "evil capitalists" and how they needed to do this to promote and protect socialism, they mentioned that he had his white limo flown in for the event. :)
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2009, 11:07:57 AM »
Good that the swiss have nabbed that Polanski, btw. 
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2009, 12:57:14 PM »
Good that the swiss have nabbed that Polanski, btw.  
That is a good thing.  And yet, gobs of people in our country are upset that Polanski was caught and will likely face trial.

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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2009, 01:07:12 PM »
That is a good thing.  And yet, gobs of people in our country are upset that Polanski was caught and will likely face trial.

you should reassure them that there wont be a trial, as he has already pled guilty

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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2009, 05:27:09 PM »
When the leader of a country that was a sponsor of terrorism renounces terrorism, is the president supposed to say, "we don't like you. Go back to sponsoring terrorism"?

No - he's supposed to say "you're a criminal and we're not going to deal with you or guarantee your family's continued rule."

Supposedly we don't negotiate with terrorists, and I highly doubt Bin Laden could get the same deal by "renouncing terrorism", but here we are, hosting a man who has basically admitted to blowing up a civilian airliner at the UN.

How is it that Iraq had to be invaded and Saddam deposed over theoretical terrorism when a confirmed airline bomber can rejoin the US by just saying he won't do that anymore?
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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2009, 05:55:29 PM »
Good point. I retract my statement.

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Re: Gaddafi's Oddest Idea: Abolish Switzerland
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2009, 06:01:02 PM »
Under this logic, the US should have no relations with any country which ever committed acts of terrorism against them. Say, Israel.
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