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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2009, 06:43:32 PM »
Aight.  I'm gonna wade on into this one.

I'm in much the same position as jackdanson...

I've been working for the same company for 11 years.  We've been through three different unions since then.  The first was the local transit union.  We were lumped together with the bus drivers and light rail operators.  Even though we have a pretty good sized workforce locally, we were small potatoes compared to the bus/train operators.  Thus, we invariably got the short end of the stick from the union.  Plus, most of my coworkers are conservative, and the union *REALLY* didn't like the fact that we wouldn't march in lockstep with them on politics.  

We booted the teamsters out when a national all-EMS union was formed.  Unfortunately, the guy who founded it turned out to be an absolute crook and charlatan, and royally hosed us.

We're now part of the Teamsters local.  Again, we're a small fish in a big pond, but at least the Teamsters seem to actually listen to us.  We've got pretty good representation from them, and for the most part they recognize the value in letting the company get rid of the dead wood.  It takes a little more time, and a little more paperwork, but they realize that in EMS you just can't have the "do the least amount of work possible" types around.  

Now, I'm not one to sing the praises of the unions in general.  As a general rule, I think most unions have outlived their usefulness, including the one we belong to.  However, I will say that with Oregon being a "we can fire you for whatever the heck we want" kind of state, I *am* glad that the union is there to put in a checks and balances mechanism for the company.  I guess one example of that would be when I had been at the company for about a year, still in the transfer division, shuttling old folks back and forth from their appointments.  Was driving a wheelchair van, and had parallel parked on a very busy, narrow road in NW Portland (for those that live in the area, NW 23rd ave near Lovejoy).  Was pulling out of the parking spot, and find myself face to face with a transit bus that was crowding into my lane about 1/4 of the way in.  I could either cut sharp back to the right and risk scraping the side of the car in the spot in front of me, or get creamed by the bus.  I chose to scrape the car in front of me.  Didn't do hardly any damage, little bit of paint transfer and a cracked tail light.  But if it weren't for the union, the company WOULD have fired me.  Instead, the union fought for me, pointing out that there were witnesses that stated the bus was in my lane, and had I not cut sharp to the right, I'd have been hit head on by the bus.  (At the time, management's position was that ANY accident, regardless of who was at fault, was a terminable offense.)

But to take us back to the OP, that union boss was an absolute asshat.
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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2009, 07:57:44 PM »
SEIU is so done in this country. Good.
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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2009, 08:03:07 PM »
I agree with RKL. Can't stereotype all people in the union. Some people are just looking for a job, whether its a union shop or not.

Mechag, the only way a union can work is if it has a monopoly. To allow competition and attempt to engage in price fixing doesn't work no matter who's trying it.
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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2009, 08:03:23 PM »
They've been stirring up a lot of trouble as of late, as they believe Obama owes them for their support.
Obama does owe them for their support.

Luckily for them, Obama is happy to pay them back.  With our money.  Which they'll then use to get him re-elected.  So that he can again pay them back for their support.  With our money.

The unions are complicit.  They and their willing members get no sympathy from me at all.
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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2009, 08:11:05 PM »
However, I will say that with Oregon being a "we can fire you for whatever the heck we want" kind of state, I *am* glad that the union is there to put in a checks and balances mechanism for the company.  
I've never understood this attitude.  Maybe you can 'splain it to me.  Employees can end the relationship whenever they want for any reason, at the first moment it becomes "unbeneficial" to them.  Why shouldn't the employer have the same right?

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2009, 08:12:24 PM »

By the by, you don't need to look up "anecdote;" you used it correctly.


Anecdote is a short narrative, usually to amuse, entertain, or cause to reflect, and is normally in the third party.  Mine was a statement of first-party experience intended to directly inform.

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2009, 08:30:02 PM »
So what would a union possibly have to offer me?

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2009, 08:34:53 PM »
Here is the very well spun response of SEIU on the incident:

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    A little fact vs. fiction is needed in the latest right-wing smear against SEIU.

    Fiction: An SEIU local is filing a grievance against the city of Allentown, PA because a Boy Scout cleaned a local hiking trail.

    Fact: There is no fact to this claim being pushed by the disreputable Fox News and other right-wing outlets like Michelle Malkin’s accuracy challenged blog.

    Fiction: Nick Balzano, who unfortunately provided the initial response to queries on the matter, is the president of SEIU or an SEIU local.

    Fact: Nick Balzano is with the Allentown chapter of SEIU Local 32BJ and is NOT the president of the local or the International. Indeed, his comments were completely unauthorized and inappropriate.

    Fiction: SEIU is picking a fight with the Boy Scouts of America

    Fact: Nothing could be further from the truth. SEIU has a history of supporting the Boy Scouts. Indeed, just last year SEIU 1199 President George Gresham was honored by the Greater Boy Scouts of New York.

    Fact: SEIU has apologized to Mayor of Allentown for this misunderstanding and is in the process of getting in contact with the Allentown Boy Scouts of America Council to apologize to scout as well.

    Fact: While Nick Balzano misspoke in his exchange with a reporter, his frustration over the recently laid off workers in Allentown is a sentiment shared by families all around Pennsylvania and this country. In the Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton Metropolitan Statistical Area, the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate 9.5%, up from 5.9% just one year ago.

    SEIU 32BJ will continue its ongoing efforts to find these men and women jobs to support their families during the upcoming Holiday season and beyond.
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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2009, 08:39:13 PM »
So, they did nothing wrong and they're apologizing to everyone for it?

 ???

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2009, 09:50:16 PM »
Interesting strateegery, that.

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2009, 10:02:27 PM »
SEIU is so done in this country. Good.
AD and Larry: Could you not have achieved all or most of what you've done on your own, without union help?

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Leatherneck, I will say that the incident I posted is the only time that the union intervened on my behalf.  But it is an instance that kept me doing a job that I enjoy, and protected me from a policy that was a bit draconian.  Had the union not been there, I *would* have been fired.   So no, I honestly don't think that I would have achieved what I have without the union having been there.  But, as I said, that's the only instance for me in 11 years.
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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2009, 10:22:04 PM »
Anecdote is a short narrative, usually to amuse, entertain, or cause to reflect, and is normally in the third party.  Mine was a statement of first-party experience intended to directly inform.

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2009, 10:31:37 PM »
So, they did nothing wrong and they're apologizing to everyone for it?

 ???

That is because they are being dishonest.  I know, shocking.

"Fiction: An SEIU local is filing a grievance against the city of Allentown, PA because a Boy Scout cleaned a local hiking trail.

Fact: There is no fact to this claim being pushed by the disreputable Fox News and other right-wing outlets like Michelle Malkin’s accuracy challenged blog."

http://blogs.mcall.com/files/balzano.mov

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2009, 11:03:14 PM »
Who told you this? 

Spacemen.  Dressed in Elvis suits.  Carrying pancakes.

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2009, 11:10:19 PM »
Spacemen.  Dressed in Elvis suits.  Carrying pancakes.

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2009, 11:12:49 PM »
Spacemen.  Dressed in Elvis suits.  Carrying pancakes.

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Did this happen to you personally, or is that a third-person anecdote? 

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2009, 11:26:31 PM »
Der wuz dis sound lahk uh train, 'cept it wuz louder.  Den I felt duh grabbin' beams git me.  Felt just like when Uncle Daddy smacks me in duh hed effter I'z gits inter his 'shine.  I don't 'member 'nuthin after that 'til I woke up and felt dis strange feelin'...

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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2009, 11:40:32 PM »
This calls for a certain film clip from Waiting for Guffman.  "All of 'em come in thur and probed me at one time or another."

Anyhoo, I looked up "anecdote," and the definitions differ greatly from what you said Brad.  Ha!  :police:

Then again, they were probably written by union lexicographers. 
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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2009, 11:41:25 PM »
Brad,

Did you have a tingle running up and down your leg? =D
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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2009, 12:26:31 AM »
How did you know?




Anyhoo, I looked up "anecdote," and the definitions differ greatly from what you said Brad. 

Iz jess whut I wuz told in hi skrewel. Durn publik ejukashun.


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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2009, 12:33:35 AM »
It's them durn ole union teachers, is what it ee-is. 
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Re: Union leader threatens town for letting scout voluteer clear a park path
« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2009, 02:08:06 AM »
When I look at the damage done to the auto industry and public education by the unions and their wholehearted support (the unions as an .org not all the members) of every bit of socialist crap they can find I cannot help but want them all gone. No aspersions on the good unionites here on APS, I'm sure you are good people doing what you have to do.

I've never had a union job, and always lived in "right to work" states, and that's how I like it.
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