Author Topic: Climate Research Hacked... (Read 11585 times)

makattak · « **on:** November 20, 2009, 05:05:13 PM »

Developing story.

To say the least, the fallout will be fun if it proves to be true:

http://politics.slashdot.org/story/09/11/20/1747257/Climatic-Research-Unit-Hacked-Files-Leaked

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#more-12937

Most interesting so far:

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I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray

(emphasis added)

Nick1911 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2009, 05:23:52 PM »

Okay, I think I need to get ahold of this.

drewtam · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2009, 05:43:48 PM »

It seems to be convincing a lot of people.

1.) It was over 60Mb of data of technical files and emails, which is very hard to fake.

2.) An official from the University that owns the server admits they were hacked and data was stolen.

The quote in the OP was from an email 10yrs old, and may be missing context. I have yet to see anything posted that is particularly bad.

Nick1911 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2009, 05:50:31 PM »

Holy cow, it's huge.

60 meg is the compressed size.... and it's mostly text.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2009, 09:48:26 PM »

I located a torrent of the entire thing.

Harold Tuttle · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:34:39 PM »

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/index.php

roo_ster · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:50:20 PM »

The excerpts I have read, even given context, are not reassuring to this data nerd.

Given that I work on a lot of gov't contracts that use taxpayer dollars, I would have been in "pound me in the ass federal prison" for colluding to keep the data unknown.

But, yeah, academics are just so much more ethical and do much more objective analysis than us tainted by working for for-profit companies.

InfidelSerf · « **Reply #7 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:37:14 AM »

http://www.rossputin.com/blog/media/Hadley_%20CRU_FOI2009.zip

link from

http://www.peoplespresscollective.org/2009/11/has-the-global-warming-lie-been-truly-exposed/

Nick1911 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 21, 2009, 08:51:32 AM »

I pulled it off the original torrent.

I've also put it up on RapidShare:
http://rapidshare.com/files/309871096/FOI2009.zip.html

BReilley · « **Reply #9 on:** November 21, 2009, 01:19:30 PM »

Quote from: jfruser on November 20, 2009, 10:50:20 PM

But, yeah, academics are just so much more ethical and do much more objective analysis than us tainted by working for for-profit companies.

A bridge of Rearden Metal will surely collapse...

roo_ster · « **Reply #10 on:** November 21, 2009, 06:17:42 PM »

Couple of good links summarizing the data:
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/20/climate-cuttings-33.html

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php

roo_ster · « **Reply #11 on:** November 21, 2009, 06:31:36 PM »

Oh, dear...

Here is a summary of what the AGW-ers were emailing about:
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/9/29/the-yamal-implosion.html

drewtam · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2009, 07:40:15 PM »

Yeah, I just saw that Bishop Hill link via Instapundit. Some of that stuff is pretty bad; as in conspiracy to lie, and conspiracy to violate Freedom of Information, bad.

jfruser,
I've seen published studies that admit profitable companies produce better research than universities.

Waitone · « **Reply #13 on:** November 21, 2009, 08:22:42 PM »

Can't wait to see how it spins on all sides.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #14 on:** November 21, 2009, 10:15:10 PM »

Here's the spin in the St. Louis Pravda-Dispatch. In a nutshell, they say the bad stuff is really not all that bad, and taken out of context. Those of you who've scanned the hacked info, what say you?

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/2CB64618A072F8278625767500118DF3?OpenDocument

I like the comment at the bottom that says "Scientists are humn. They error."

Headless Thompson Gunner · « **Reply #15 on:** November 21, 2009, 11:22:25 PM »

Quote from: fistful on November 21, 2009, 10:15:10 PM

I like the comment at the bottom that says "Scientists are humn. They error."

I think in this case it's more like "Scientists are human, they lie".

Ben · « **Reply #16 on:** November 23, 2009, 11:13:42 AM »

Interesting and hypocritical quote from the New York Times:

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The documents appear to have been acquired illegally and contain all manner of private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye, so they won’t be posted here.

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/private-climate-conversations-on-display/

Balog · « **Reply #17 on:** November 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM »

Quote from: Ben on November 23, 2009, 11:13:42 AM

Interesting and hypocritical quote from the New York Times:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/private-climate-conversations-on-display/

Too bad it didn't have any classified info or useful propaganda photos of dead .mil, they'd be tripping over themselves in their haste to publish it.

sanglant · « **Reply #18 on:** November 23, 2009, 04:22:27 PM »

hmmm, green on the outside... red on the inside... i say we sent in this guy

you know, it's hard to find a good Gallagher smashin' melons vid now 8)

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #19 on:** November 23, 2009, 05:15:48 PM »

Quote from: Ben on November 23, 2009, 11:13:42 AM

Interesting and hypocritical quote from the New York Times:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/private-climate-conversations-on-display/

Wow. That is really stunning.

brimic · « **Reply #20 on:** November 24, 2009, 11:17:14 AM »

I hope that a lot of the ~~scientists~~ charlatans involved find employment opportunities to be very lacking in the near future.

longeyes · « **Reply #21 on:** November 24, 2009, 01:49:21 PM »

The NY Times won't soil its hands... QED

Thank God for hackers. They will be our first wave of freedom fighters.

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #22 on:** November 24, 2009, 09:46:05 PM »

I predict that this will be ignored as if it never happened by the powers that be and their mindless disciples and that they will continue on the AGW lemming parade.

roo_ster · « **Reply #23 on:** November 24, 2009, 09:56:50 PM »

Folks, the emails are the least of it. The bodies are buried in the code & code comments.

I started a new thread to discuss the code & code comments here:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=22035.0

Makes Dan Rather look like a piker. "AGW Climate Modeling: Fake But Accurate."

Waitone · « **Reply #24 on:** November 24, 2009, 09:58:58 PM »

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I predict that this will be ignored as if it never happened by the powers that be and their mindless disciples and that they will continue on the AGW lemming parade.

Swish! 3 points for the win.

Far too much money is in the balance. Far too much power waits in the wings for implementation. Global warming was the long sought global threat to be used to unite the nations under a global government. There will be attempts to ignore it but is will only buy the power elites a short period of time before the backlash starts.

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Author Topic: Climate Research Hacked... (Read 11585 times)