You Are All a Public Danger

[Ben]

EPA to declare carbon dioxide a public danger next week:

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/06/epa-set-delare-carbon-dioxide-public-danger/

 WSJ

 - December 06, 2009
EPA Set to Declare Carbon Dioxide a Public Danger

The announcement would give Obama and his climate envoy negotiating leverage at a global climate summit starting next week in Copenhagen, Denmark.

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will early next week, possibly as soon as Monday, officially declare carbon dioxide a public danger, a trigger that could mean regulation for emitters across the economy, according to several people close to the matter.

Such an "endangerment" decision is necessary for the EPA to move ahead early next year with new emission standards for cars. EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson has said it could also mean large emitters such as power stations, cement kilns, crude-oil refineries and chemical plants would have to curb their greenhouse gas output.

The announcement would also give President Barack Obama and his climate envoy negotiating leverage at a global climate summit starting next week in Copenhagen, Denmark and increase pressure on Congress to pass a climate bill that would modify the price of polluting.

While environmentalists celebrate EPA's authority to regulate greenhouse gases, it has caused many large emitters to cringe at the potential costs of compliance.

According to a preliminary endangerment finding published in April, EPA scientists fear that man-made carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are contributing to a warming of the global climate. Senior EPA officials said in November the agency would likely make a final decision in December around the time of the summit.

Continue reading at the Wall Street Journal

[grampster]

The time is ever getting closer for Americans and American business to tell the fed gov to hang it in their ear.  All it takes is electing the proper people to stop the insanity.

[Tallpine]

Can you imagine all the air pollution from masses of poor shivering people huddling around piles of burning tires?

 

[Standing Wolf]

All it takes is electing the proper people to stop the insanity.

Well, yeah, but there's a nickel's worth of problem with that proposal.

Here comes the first two and a half cents' worth: the percentage of people living in the United States who positively care about America has been on the way down a long, long time. I don't mean to say the America haters are now in the majority; I do, however, mean to say their numbers have been increasing, and the number of people who are indifferent to America have been increasing at an astronomical rate. How long did the expressions of patriotism following the attacks of September 22, 2001 last? If the mere expression doesn't last long, that ought to tell you something significant about patriotism itself.

Here's the other two and a half cents' worth: the people who deeply, sincerely, truly belive America needs to be transformed into a socialist workers' and peasants' heaven on earth have spent the last century and some while worming their way into education, the purported "news" media, civil service and regulation at the federal, state, and local levels, all the soft purported "sciences," and vote counting. They're in the process of assuming command of medicine throughout the United States. They're a minority, but they've positioned themselves at the switches.

I laughed at South American banana republics as a junior in a high school world history class. "How could people be that dumb?" I wondered, and "Couldn't they see they were being cheated?"

[grampster]

I agree SW, wholeheartedly, with your observation.  Your remarks are the other two thirds of my unstated opinion.

The next 2.5 cents observes that only about half the people who are able, actually vote.  Sadly, I believe a majority of those folks who do vote, probably have no legitimate rationale for why they are voting the way they do.  Krushchev was right when he pounded the lectern with his shoe.  He just didn't know that they wouldn't do it to us, we'd do it to ourselves.  Pogo was right.

[Standing Wolf]

Krushchev was right when he pounded the lectern with his shoe.  He just didn't know that they wouldn't do it to us, we'd do it to ourselves.

I remember seeing him doing that. My friends and I thought he was partly an idiot, partly a nut, altogether something to laugh about. In retrospect, I've got to say he was all that; unfortunately, we were so busy laughing at him, we didn't think to look around ourselves.

Something about forests and trees, eh?

[Monkeyleg]

I remember seeing him doing that. My friends and I thought he was partly an idiot, partly a nut, altogether something to laugh about. In retrospect, I've got to say he was all that; unfortunately, we were so busy laughing at him, we didn't think to look around ourselves.

He sure had JFK shaking in his shoes.

With the way we're going, and the way Putin is playing the oil game, Russia may still best us.

[brimic]

Non elected bureaucrats making sweeping and far reaching policy with no accountability to any form of constituents?  Americans tookup arms against the Brits for less.

[Waitone]

If the mandarins do as predicted, it will create a crystal clear, unambiguous case for the repeal of enabling legislation.  Let us see if spinelessrepublicans can grow one or a set of other appendages and do what has to be done.

[AZRedhawk44]

Any word on ClimateGate having an effect on this?

[MechAg94]

How many voters actually realized what causes CO2 emissions in industry? 

I really don't mind low voter turnout.  IMO, if those voters don't care much about voting, I don't want them jumping up on election day and winging it.  If they don't care to find out who the candidates are, they should just stay out of it.

[Ben]

How many voters actually realized what causes CO2 emissions in industry? 

How many of them realize:

Water vapor = ~35-70%
CO2 = ~10-25%
(estimates vary widely depending on who you ask, but ordinal is always the same)

I demand that we sanction the oceans.

[HankB]

How many of them realize:

Water vapor = ~35-70%
CO2 = ~10-25%
(estimates vary widely depending on who you ask, but ordinal is always the same)

I demand that we sanction the oceans.

A layer of oil will reduce evaporation from the oceans. So all we need to do is start releasing crude to coat the surface of the seas, and . . .

Uh oh, just a minute . . .

[Standing Wolf]

Let us see if spinelessrepublicans can grow one or a set of other appendages and do what has to be done.

I'll put a nickel on tails so they can slither the other way faster.

[RoadKingLarry]

Any word on ClimateGate having an effect on this?

"They" have pretty much doubled down on the rhetoric and pretty well ignored the corruption revealed in the hacked emails.
Some of those implicated have resorted to name calling and denier bashing.
Today they formalize the lemming rush to save us from ourselves by attempting to destroy the US economy.

[longeyes]

Even worse than CO2 is oxygen and even worse than that is breathing and living as a non-angelic green being...

America was built on the idea that there would be a critical mass of smart, disciplined, and honorable people.  Well...

[grampster]

We are at war with these climate bastards and our own government is in collusion with them.  EPA ruled today that CO2 is a harmful to humans gas and must be highly regulated.
We continue to elect to high office evil, self centered, greedy and clueless men and women who don't have the scruples to think about their country.  God help America.

[longeyes]

Look at the top ten searches this year on Yahoo if you want a reflection of the contemporary American psyche.  Michael Jackson, Britney, assorted floozies, WWE, and NASCAR.  No Thomas Jefferson.  Again. Damn.

[Nitrogen]

The time is ever getting closer for Americans and American business to tell the fed gov to hang it in their ear.  All it takes is electing the proper people to stop the insanity.

I am all for this.  Most of us will be dead before global climate change is a problem for us anyway.
 

[MechAg94]

If the mandarins do as predicted, it will create a crystal clear, unambiguous case for the repeal of enabling legislation.  Let us see if spinelessrepublicans can grow one or a set of other appendages and do what has to be done.

Well, before the "spinelessrepublicans" can do anything, they have to get a clear majority.  Right now, they are a largely irrelevant minority. 

[longeyes]

They are irrelevant by choice.  Too comfortable, I'd say.

If they think what is going on is wrong, deadly wrong, they need to speak out, regardless of the cost.

[Standing Wolf]

Well, before the "spinelessrepublicans" can do anything, they have to get a clear majority.

They had a majority in both houses of Congress and the White House. All they did was tax and squander nearly as irresponsibly as the representatives of the Democratic (sic) party.

[Balog]

They had a majority in both houses of Congress and the White House. All they did was tax and squander nearly as irresponsibly as the representatives of the Democratic (sic) party.

Ayup. I seem to recall the "irrelevant minority" of D's managed to stop a our fearless heroes from doing much of anything.

[Perd Hapley]

Ah, yes, let's keep talking about how the Republican's didn't do nearly as much as they ought to have done, and more than they should have done, all at the same time.  It's such a very obscure fact, we should all make sure everyone knows about it.  Maybe that way, we can keep the Democratic Party in power for ever and ever and ever.  It's worked the past two election years. 

[MicroBalrog]

Ah, yes, let's keep talking about how the Republican's didn't do nearly as much as they ought to have done, and more than they should have done, all at the same time.  It's such a very obscure fact, we should all make sure everyone knows about it.  Maybe that way, we can keep the Democratic Party in power for ever and ever and ever.  It's worked the past two election years. 

Fair enough.

If your party isn't aiming for meaningful change, it doesn't deserve to get power.

If conservatives allow their party to be come a set of Democrats with slightly different trappings (a lip service to their values and beliefs rather than actual action), they deserve to have the Democrats come in and break everything.