Paranoid ramblings of anti-gunner

[Tallpine]

i want to OC in front of that guy 

i'll be wearing a pretty blue dip dyed skirt, white tank top, blue flip flops and a Springfeild Armory Mil Specs 1911A1.

i like it. the vibe, hippy chick with a gun. 

Oooh, post a picture - please!   

[BlueStarLizzard]

Oooh, post a picture - please!   

actually, i would need to get a new holster and gun belt for that. i don't think balistic nylon and black leather would match.

i think a light tan leather would work...

[Scout26]

actually, i would need to get a new holster and gun belt for that. i don't think balistic nylon and black leather would match.

i think a light tan leather would work...

I don't think anyone here would notice the difference....or actually care.

[Perd Hapley]

This thread is getting creepy.   

[BlueStarLizzard]

This thread is getting creepy.   

i would say thats a facet of 40% of thread drift here.

[Waitone]

This just in from a media source with solid leftist credentials.  Is anyone aware of an organization effort in other states?

http://www.alternet.org/story/145616/starbucks_cop-out_to_gun_nuts%3A_customers_served_coffee_while_strapped

Starbucks' Cop-Out to Gun Nuts: Customers Served Coffee While Strapped

Starbucks has become a popular gathering spot for some Second Amendment crusaders, and the company is pretending it doesn't have the power to keep them out.

February 9, 2010 

So you're at your neighborhood Starbucks, maybe with your kids, and you notice a man sitting at the next table who has a revolver strapped to his waist. Next to him, another man has a pistol. In fact, you realize as you look around, there's a table full of gun-toting customers just a few feet away, sipping coffee and doing nothing to conceal their deadly weapons. Aside from steering clear -- or else getting the hell out of there -- what can an unarmed citizen do?

If you live in California, or a state with similar "open carry" gun laws, the answer is not much. Starbucks, according to numerous media reports, has recently become a popular gathering spot for Second Amendment crusaders, who have generated a lot of local press in California over the last several weeks for going out en mass, their guns conspicuously at their sides, to assert their right to carry firearms in public.

"We're just a bunch of citizens exercising their Second Amendment rights," a large dark-clothed man named Gus Konstantaras told local news station ABC7 at a Starbucks in Antioch, CA last month. Konstantaras argues that, when it comes to Americans' Second Amendment rights, "if you don't use them, you'll probably lose them."

He didn't come up with that all by himself. "A right unexercised is a right lost!" is the slogan of the official Open Carry organization, of which Konstantaras is an East Bay chapter member, and which proudly displays a blurb calling its organizers the "shock troops of the gun lobby."

"Open carry," by definition, means "openly carrying a firearm in public," which is to say overtly rather than covertly. Most states have some sort of open carry laws on the books, with varying degrees of enforcement. At OpenCarry.org, the Internet home of the open carry movement, the group brags that their mission is growing in popularity, with more and more people discovering that carrying firearms in public is "legal and wholesome."

Starbucks denies that it has an official policy that embraces firearms. "Starbucks does not have a corporate policy regarding customers and weapons," a Starbucks spokesperson recently told the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, claiming that "we defer to federal, state and local laws and regulations regarding this issue."

But Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke says this is a cop-out. "Here's the problem with that answer," he wrote at the Huffington Post this week. "Generally speaking -- and certainly in California -- businesses have the right to bar guns on their premises. It is their property and, just as they can prohibit entry by people with bare feet, they can do the same for people with guns."

[Brad Johnson]

Already being discussed in Political as well as here:

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=22972.0

Brad

[Jamisjockey]

Being combined.

[Perd Hapley]

Aside from steering clear -- or else getting the hell out of there -- what can an unarmed citizen do?

Go on about their business?

Thank the gun-toters for defending a human right and being prepared to deal with emergencies? 

[BlueStarLizzard]

i don't see why starbucks would kick them out. there little demonstrations bring out nice sized groups who are gonna pay for overpriced latte's and muffins.

if i was a starbucks manager, i wouldn't kick 'em out either. i would say that silly line about 'compleing with state/fed laws' and rub my greedy hands over all the extra business.

[CNYCacher]

Starbucks denies that it has an official policy that embraces firearms. "Starbucks does not have a corporate policy regarding customers and weapons," a Starbucks spokesperson recently told the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, claiming that "we defer to federal, state and local laws and regulations regarding this issue."

But Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke says this is a cop-out. "Here's the problem with that answer," he wrote at the Huffington Post this week. "Generally speaking -- and certainly in California -- businesses have the right to bar guns on their premises. It is their property and, just as they can prohibit entry by people with bare feet, they can do the same for people with guns."

Does Paul Helmke have some sort of reading comprehension issue?  I mean, aside from The Constitution?  Starbucks says "We don't have a policy." And he replies as if he heard them say "We can't legally create a policy."

[Balog]

Paul Helmke has a lot of issues, starting with basic honesty.

[Jamisjockey]

I've open carried in a few local starbucks 

[RevDisk]

Evil grubby...  Sigh.  Starbucks has to be reasonable.  So now I HAVE to go to Starbucks and buy overpriced chai.  Ah well.  I'll try to consider that I'm not buying overpriced goods, but rather giving the finger to the Brady Bunch. 


Actually, I was curious to how many members both the VPC and Brady Campaign have.  ...  And I think it's zero.  I looked on both sites.  No "join" thingie, only donation thingies.  Interesting that.   Because they claim that the Brady Campaign makes 48% of its revenue on membership.  Methinks I need to look over their tax returns, which are public because they're registered non-profits.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Paul Helmke has a lot of issues, starting with basic honesty.

I knew Helmke when he was mayor of Fort Wayne.  Was involved in local politics with him.

He's a lot of things, but dishonest isn't one of them.  He's one of Heinlein's honest politicians, he stays bought.  He's a fool, and a *expletive deleted*che, and a self-serving sack of human waste.  But when he was mayor he belonged to us, and he did his job (advocating for our policies) as best he could.  He got term-limited out, and the only other work he could find was with Brady.

So now he belongs to Brady, doing their advocacy as honestly and successfully as he can.  Guys like him exist to be the human face of a message or an organization.  He smiles, he looks friendly, and he tells the cameras what he's been told to say.  I have no problem with people being hired to advocate for a cause.  That he's advocating for Brady is entirely coincidental.  He never had an anti-gun thought in him back when he was mayor, nor a pro-gun thought either.  If the NRA had offered him a job he'd be working for us as well as he could.

[RevDisk]

I knew Helmke when he was mayor of Fort Wayne.  Was involved in local politics with him.

He's a lot of things, but dishonest isn't one of them.  He's one of Heinlein's honest politicians, he stays bought.  He's a fool, and a *expletive deleted*che, and a self-serving sack of human waste.  But when he was mayor he belonged to us, and he did his job (advocating for our policies) as best he could.  He got term-limited out, and the only other work he could find was with Brady.

So now he belongs to Brady, doing their advocacy as honestly and successfully as he can.  Guys like him exist to be the human face of a message or an organization.  He smiles, he looks friendly, and he tells the cameras what he's been told to say.  I have no problem with people being hired to advocate for a cause.  That he's advocating for Brady is entirely coincidental.  He never had an anti-gun thought in him back when he was mayor, nor a pro-gun thought either.  If the NRA had offered him a job he'd be working for us as well as he could.

He's making $118,807.

And I really like that it's just a job to him.  Means he'll be only mildly efficient, at best.  He has no stake in his argument but a paycheck. 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

He'll do it as well as he can.  He's a professional tool, and he takes his job seriously.

[taurusowner]

I knew Helmke when he was mayor of Fort Wayne.  Was involved in local politics with him.

He's a lot of things, but dishonest isn't one of them.  He's one of Heinlein's honest politicians, he stays bought.  He's a fool, and a *expletive deleted*che, and a self-serving sack of human waste.  But when he was mayor he belonged to us, and he did his job (advocating for our policies) as best he could.  He got term-limited out, and the only other work he could find was with Brady.

So now he belongs to Brady, doing their advocacy as honestly and successfully as he can.  Guys like him exist to be the human face of a message or an organization.  He smiles, he looks friendly, and he tells the cameras what he's been told to say.  I have no problem with people being hired to advocate for a cause.  That he's advocating for Brady is entirely coincidental.  He never had an anti-gun thought in him back when he was mayor, nor a pro-gun thought either.  If the NRA had offered him a job he'd be working for us as well as he could.

What you described isn't honesty.  It's loyalty.  He is more than willing to speak outright lies about guns in order to achieve the agenda of his masters.  He is loyal to them as he was to you as a mayor.  But his is indeed dishonest.

[BlueStarLizzard]

He's making $118,807.

And I really like that it's just a job to him.  Means he'll be only mildly efficient, at best.  He has no stake in his argument but a paycheck. 

He'll do it as well as he can.  He's a professional tool, and he takes his job seriously.

somehow that seems just as bad as being a dishonest.  glad he works for their side, not ours. i'd rather have someone who speaks the truth and wants his side to win, then a lier or a proffessional tool.

[Tallpine]

So the anti-gun guy is a hired gun ? 

[AZRedhawk44]

somehow that seems just as bad as being a dishonest.   glad he works for their side, not ours. i'd rather have someone who speaks the truth and wants his side to win, then a lier or a proffessional tool.

Well, we have our own [deleted] lawyer working for the NRA on the Chicago SCOTUS case that Gura started.

His credentials?

Former US District Attorney.  As a goobermint lawyer, he argued against Gura and represented the goobermint during the Heller SCOTUS case.  Yep.  Represented the anti-agenda, goobermint control, outright bans... oh, yeah:  and he LOST.

Now the NRA has forced Gura to allow this [deleted] to consume some of Gura's precious oral argument time in front of SCOTUS.

So, we get our fair share of DBs, too.

Language, folks!

[roo_ster]

Well, we have our own [deleted] lawyer working for the NRA on the Chicago SCOTUS case that Gura started.

His credentials?

Former US District Attorney.  As a goobermint lawyer, he argued against Gura and represented the goobermint during the Heller SCOTUS case.  Yep.  Represented the anti-agenda, goobermint control, outright bans... oh, yeah:  and he LOST.

Now the NRA has forced Gura to allow this DB to consume some of Gura's precious oral argument time in front of SCOTUS.

So, we get our fair share of [deleted], too.

Yep, this one is an unforced error by the NRA.

It is one thing to hire the DB lawyer if he has a track record of winning and beating you like a drum.  Hire him and have him do a whole lot of nothing to remove a man of his proven skill.

But, hiring a guy you have wiped the floor with to carry your water?  Pass me some of what the NRA is smoking, 'cause it has to be the good stuff...

[brimic]

* No murdering

    * No raping

    * No pillaging

    * No gun slinging, pistol-whipping, sucker-punching

    * No mauling, jabbing, stabbing, hating or undermining

I hope that foppish screeching works out well for him in enforcing those rules.

 I hope that any gunowners that frequent charbucks skip the place and use their saving to buy a few boxed of SD loads.

[Bigjake]

I hope a long ship of vikings overruns his little hippy enclave..

You think gun nuts are good at raping and pillaging?  You ain't seen nothin' yet, skippy.

[Perd Hapley]

i don't see why starbucks would kick them out.

I would have expected them to, just out of fear that they would scare away more business than the gun folks bring in. 

But maybe the Starbucks customer base is really not as bed-wetting leftist as they're made out to be.