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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2010, 03:03:45 AM »
Wouldn't it be easier to just use instant coffee?

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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2010, 03:09:41 AM »
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2010, 07:35:15 AM »
Cheap coffee grinders/choppers work fine...if you keep them on long enough to grind it all to powder.

Need fewer beans that way, too.
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2010, 07:52:33 AM »
Cheap coffee grinders/choppers work fine...if you keep them on long enough to grind it all to powder.

Need fewer beans that way, too.

Boo!  Hiss!  EVIL!!!   Choppers destroy good coffee beans.  And make bad coffee beans even worse....  I used to think that coffee choppers were ok.  Until I got my first burr grinder.  MAN what a difference....  Much better flavor, much *fuller* flavor. 
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2010, 10:36:46 AM »
Boo!  Hiss!  EVIL!!!   Choppers destroy good coffee beans.  And make bad coffee beans even worse....  I used to think that coffee choppers were ok.  Until I got my first burr grinder.  MAN what a difference....  Much better flavor, much *fuller* flavor. 

OK, what appreciable difference is there when a chopper-type vs a burr type turns the beans into dust/"Turkish Grind"?  What is the mechanism that makes the burr grinder produce better tasting coffee?  I have had the Costco machine have at the beans, done the same with my Braun chopper-dealie, and looked at the results.  I could detect no appreciable difference in appearance or flavor after the fact.  BTW, this is for the "Blue Mtn" blend Costco sells, not any of the "charred to death" overly-roasted coffees. 

I'll buy the "burr is better" when the coffee bits are seriously irregular-sized, at least as far as consistency between brews.
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2010, 10:58:55 AM »
The best explanation that's been given to me is heat.  Yeah, I know, it sounds weird since you're just gonna pour boiling water on the stuff.  But the fact is that the blade type "grinders" are at such high rpm's that the blades will actually burn some of the oils, etc that give coffee its great flavor.  A burr grinder, on the other hand, is much lower rpm, and so the grounds don't get burned in their short trip through the grinding mechanism.  And it's not much, but when you're dealing with aromatic oils, such as in coffee, just a little bit of burned oil is enough to make the whole pot taste a little bit different.

And this is even more true if you're grinding the beans super fine.  on my burr grinder, I just set the grinder setting to the required coarseness, and the beans don't really spend any more time being ground up, it's just the distance between the disks is reduced.  In the case of a blade type, you have to keep grinding until the beans are the desired consistency.  The longer those blades are whacking at the beans, the more heat is generated, and the more the flavor changes.
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2010, 11:05:24 AM »
Ahh, boiling water. 

I avoid that.  I am not so anal as to break out a thermometer, but I wait a bit until the water has stopped boiling before I dump it on the coffee in the botom of the French Freedom! press.
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2010, 11:07:59 AM »
Well, no, I know not to use boiling water.  Was feeling too lazy to type out "near-boiling"....   :)
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2010, 11:45:22 AM »
195 to 205 degrees is the sweet spot for brewing.  Using a stopwatch and thermometer, I have timed my electric kettle, which shuts off automatically upon boiling.  I have found that waiting 15-30 seconds after shutoff puts me in the appropriate temperature range. 
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2010, 12:03:21 PM »
195 to 205 degrees is the sweet spot for brewing.  Using a stopwatch and thermometer, I have timed my electric kettle, which shuts off automatically upon boiling.  I have found that waiting 15-30 seconds after shutoff puts me in the appropriate temperature range. 

Good idea.

I'll break out my thermometer to do my own measurements and run with that number rahter than, "Hmm, that seems OK," from now on.

Also, I usually grind in-store, but every once in a while my wife will buy me some whole-bean coffee, so I need a grinder at the home.
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2010, 12:29:50 PM »
Some of you people scare me.  Really.   :laugh:

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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2010, 12:43:23 PM »
Some of you people scare me.  Really.   :laugh:

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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2010, 03:46:01 PM »
What is the mechanism that makes the burr grinder produce better tasting coffee?

The user's aversion to admitting that they just dumped a ton of money on a product that does the same thing as a $10 WalMart grinder or a $1 flea market mallet.


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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2010, 06:49:05 PM »
Good idea.

I'll break out my thermometer to do my own measurements and run with that number rahter than, "Hmm, that seems OK," from now on.

Also, I usually grind in-store, but every once in a while my wife will buy me some whole-bean coffee, so I need a grinder at the home.

Please don't grind beans at the store. You never know what kind of coffee just went through. I know someone who got their Columbian beans with a hint of Hawaiian Coconut coffee thrown in.

Get a cheap grinder for starters.

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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2010, 02:17:12 PM »
Kinda makes me think of the "Audio Cabling" thread...

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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2010, 02:40:20 PM »
Sledge or sludge? 

(Old shop I worked in would re-warm coffee still in the pot for three days consecutively...)   :O
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2010, 03:44:02 PM »
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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2010, 07:23:03 PM »
do we have to? we broke the shunnin' paddle on fisty, and i ain't finished the new one yet. :facepalm: =(



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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2010, 07:23:44 PM »
Sledge or sludge? 

(Old shop I worked in would re-warm coffee still in the pot for three days consecutively...)   :O

That's just hideously nasty...

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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2010, 07:47:30 PM »
(Old shop I worked in would re-warm coffee still in the pot for three days consecutively...)

Sounds almost as lovely as the vending machine at work that will put about 12 grains of generic instant coffee into a cup of hot water and charge money for it.

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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2010, 07:54:01 PM »
Sledge or sludge? 

(Old shop I worked in would re-warm coffee still in the pot for three days consecutively...)   :O

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Re: Coffee Maker Smells Awful!
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2010, 10:03:21 PM »
if coffee can grow this stuff, you might find out [tinfoil]