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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #50 on: February 19, 2010, 08:48:09 PM »
No, it wouldn't be like that at all.  I'd be like the police offering to give me a camera, and then me being surprised and shocked that the camera did what cameras do, take pictures.  That'd be my own dumb fault.

The school didn't exactly force their way into anyone's homes here, ya know.  They offered a tool to willing participants, and the tool worked as advertised.

Um, no.  If the police GIVE you a camera without telling you they will activate it and record what you're doing, and then use it to record what you are doing privately in your own home, that STILL constitutes an illegal search.

The problem is that lack of consent.  There HAS to be direct consent on the part of the person whose property is being monitored.  Otherwise, they require a warrant.  If there was absolutely no understanding that the camera can be accessed remotely and turned on without the user knowing about or having control over it, there is no consent.
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« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2010, 08:55:14 PM »
As I've said, I strongly suspect there was an agreement for using the laptops that granted the administrators permission to use remote access capability under certain circumstances, meaning that there was consent.  We don't have any evidence that there was no consent, and every reason to assume that there was.  That's just the way these things are done.  Remote administration, asset tracking, etc are de rigeur when managing large systems or collections of computers.

I also note that there's a an assumption among folks here (everyone but AZRed who has some experience in these matters) that the school switched on the cameras, arbitrarily or for the purpose of spying on the students.  None of the news articles I've seen back that up.  One article says the school used the remote access in the case of lost or stolen property (a reasonable and probably pre-agreed use), and the rest is non-specific.

I'm betting that the students themselves switched on the webcams to do the things kids normally do with computers and webcams these days.  Files on the computer were found by administrators and high-larity ensued.  
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« Reply #52 on: February 19, 2010, 08:57:26 PM »
i can see it now, PDs start diveing away flash drives with wifi then wardrive and check out the contents. [popcorn] =D hey that might work, but would it be legal? ??? couldn't be to hard.

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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #53 on: February 19, 2010, 08:57:57 PM »
Here is the latest update I could find on the story.  Sure sounds like somebody is going to get handed their head, and justifiably so.


Pennsylvania's Lower Merion School District, which faces a federal lawsuit, is proud of its laptop program, a rep says.
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    * Pennsylvania parents sue school district, school chief, board over son's laptop
    * Lawsuit alleges district unlawfully used its ability to access a webcam remotely
    * Suit: Son accused of engaging in "improper behavior" at home that school-issued webcam captured
    * District spokesman: School only remotely accesses webcam if laptop reported stolen, lost

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(CNN) -- Pennsylvania parents are suing their son's school, alleging it watched him through his laptop's webcam while he was at home and unaware he was being observed.

Michael and Holly Robbins of Penn Valley are suing the Lower Merion School District, its board of directors and the superintendent. The parents allege the district unlawfully used its ability to access a webcam remotely on their son's district-issued laptop computer.

The lawsuit seeking class-action status was filed Wednesday in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.

The suit said that on November 11, an assistant principal at Harriton High School told the plaintiffs' son that he was caught engaging in "improper behavior" in his home and it was captured in an image via the webcam.

According to the Robbinses' complaint, neither they nor their son, Blake, were informed of the school's ability to access the webcam remotely at any time. It is unclear what the boy was doing in his room when the webcam was activated or if any punishment was given out.

Doug Young, a spokesman for the Lower Merion School District, said the district would only remotely access a laptop if it were reported to be lost, stolen or missing.

Young said if there were such a report, the district first would have to request access from its technology and security department and receive authorization. Then it would use the built-in security feature to take over the laptop and see whatever was in the webcam's field of vision, potentially allowing it to track down the missing computer.

Young said parents and students were not explicitly told about this built-in security feature.

To receive the laptop, the family had to sign an "acceptable-use" agreement. To take the laptop home, the family also would have to buy insurance for the computer.

In an "acceptable-use" agreement, the families are made aware of the school's ability to "monitor" the hardware, he said, but it stops short of explicitly explaining the security feature. He termed that a mistake.

Young added that mistakes might be made when combining technology and education in a cutting-edge way.

All 2,300 students at the district's two high schools were offered laptops to "enhance opportunities for ongoing collaboration and ensure that all students have 24/7 access to school-based resources," according to a message on the superintendent's Web site, which the suit quoted.

Young said the district is proud of the laptop program and the ability to close the technology gap between students who have computers at home and those who don't. But he acknowledged schools will have to take a step back to re-evaluate the policies and procedures surrounding the program.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania isn't involved in the litigation, but its director, Vic Walczak, criticized the school district's action.

"Neither police nor school officials can enter a private home, physically or electronically, without an invitation or a warrant. The school district's clandestine electronic eavesdropping violates constitutional privacy rights, intrudes on parents' right to raise their children and may even be criminal under state and federal wiretapping laws," Walczak said "... George Orwell's '1984' is an overused metaphor, but it applies here in spades. Part of the school officials' punishment should be to retake ninth-grade civics class."

Kevin Bankston, a senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation who specializes in electronic privacy, also said the school may have broken federal wire-tapping laws. He called the school district's action "foolish and dangerous," saying the matter could prove to be a warning to other districts.

Multiple requests for further comment from the Robbinses' attorney, Mark Haltzman of Lamm Rubenstone LLC, went unanswered.

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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #54 on: February 19, 2010, 09:12:26 PM »
I'm betting that the students themselves switched on the webcams to do the things kids normally do with computers and webcams these days.  Files on the computer were found by administrators and high-larity ensued.  

If that's true, then it wouldn't be a problem.  In that case, the kid voluntarily took images of his home and and activities and then put them on school property.  But that's not what I'm getting out of this.

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Young said parents and students were not explicitly told about this built-in security feature.

To receive the laptop, the family had to sign an "acceptable-use" agreement. To take the laptop home, the family also would have to buy insurance for the computer.

In an "acceptable-use" agreement, the families are made aware of the school's ability to "monitor" the hardware, he said, but it stops short of explicitly explaining the security feature. He termed that a mistake.

Young added that mistakes might be made when combining technology and education in a cutting-edge way.

points strongly to the fact that there was no consent involved.  Also, if it had just been the case of the kid recording something stupid with the webcam, of his own volition, then the school district would be pointing that out, instead of making dodgy statements.  

The fact that the school district hasn't said anything on that makes me think that it was a case of the camera being activated remotely, rather than by the student.
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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #55 on: February 19, 2010, 09:27:12 PM »
You should have kept reading.

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To receive the laptop, the family had to sign an "acceptable-use" agreement. To take the laptop home, the family also would have to buy insurance for the computer.

In an "acceptable-use" agreement, the families are made aware of the school's ability to "monitor" the hardware, he said, but it stops short of explicitly explaining the security feature. He termed that a mistake.
So it turns out that the school did have a use-policy indicating the school's ability to monitor the computers, and the families not only agreed to it but actually signed their names to it. 

So the problem seems to be that the students/parents were too dumb to understand what they were agreeing to, and that the school didn't anticipate the need to dumb-down their agreement enough to head off this sort of mess.


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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #56 on: February 19, 2010, 09:32:45 PM »
You should have kept reading.
So it turns out that the school did have a use-policy indicating the school's ability to monitor the computers, and the families not only agreed to it but actually signed their names to it. 

So the problem seems to be that the students/parents were too dumb to understand what they were agreeing to, and that the school didn't anticipate the need to dumb-down their agreement enough to head off this sort of mess.



Actually, you were the one who needs to keep reading.   ;/

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Young said parents and students were not explicitly told about this built-in security feature.

To receive the laptop, the family had to sign an "acceptable-use" agreement. To take the laptop home, the family also would have to buy insurance for the computer.

In an "acceptable-use" agreement, the families are made aware of the school's ability to "monitor" the hardware, he said, but it stops short of explicitly explaining the security feature. He termed that a mistake.

Young added that mistakes might be made when combining technology and education in a cutting-edge way.

They were informed that the district may monitor how the laptop was used, but they weren't informed that the camera could be remotely activated.  Therefor, there was no consent, at least for that specific feature.
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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #57 on: February 19, 2010, 09:45:32 PM »
I read that as meaning the school told families remote access was a possibility, and that the families agreed to it, but it was left up to parents to understand all that that entailed.  And clearly some of them didn't understand.

If the parents were told about the remote access (and it certainly appears that they were), then the school is in the clear as far as I'm concerned.  It's up to the parents to be savvy enough to understand what they're agreeing to, and if they don't understand, to stop and ask for clarification.  

It certainly was a mistake by the school.  Assuming intelligence on the part of the general public is bound to lead to trouble.

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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #58 on: February 19, 2010, 11:18:52 PM »
HTG, you and I agree on a lot of things, but not on this. Or at least not until there's more information. In an earlier post you were engaging in suppositions, not the admittedly slim facts at hand.

Here's what bugs me about this:

"...but it stops short of explicitly explaining the security feature. He termed that a mistake."

The school spokesman said the agreement didn't fully explain the "security feature," and admits that's a mistake.

I don't think this story is finished, so I'm sure we'll have lots more to argue about.

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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #59 on: February 19, 2010, 11:33:10 PM »
Sorry, but an agreement stating that the school can "monitor" the hardware, wouldn't suggest to me that they could remotely access the webcam. There's no reason to believe that the school would have that ability, and every reason to believe that they wouldn't (the concept of inadvertant kiddie porn leaps to mind)...

Until we find out what the "improper behavior" was, there'll be a bunch of questions. But it certainly sounds to me like the school is going to be in trouble...
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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2010, 11:41:42 PM »
You should have kept reading.
So it turns out that the school did have a use-policy indicating the school's ability to monitor the computers, and the families not only agreed to it but actually signed their names to it. 

So the problem seems to be that the students/parents were too dumb to understand what they were agreeing to, and that the school didn't anticipate the need to dumb-down their agreement enough to head off this sort of mess.


To me, "monitoring the hardware" means being able to see if it is turned on, maybe being able to see when it's logged onto the school's network, and perhaps being able to do remote diagnostics (a la PC Anywhere) in the event of a problem. Using the built-in webcam to take pictures of the student and/or other family members is not "monitoring the hardware," that's monitoring the people. And that's illegal without a warrant.
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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #61 on: February 20, 2010, 01:43:12 AM »


I honestly can't believe anyone here is really defending the school district.  Monitoring the hardware is one thing, activatig the camera is a completely different animal.  I'm wondering how many times this ability was abused, I'm sure the IT guys could easily cover their tracks if they were using this feature for illegitimate reasons.  If this was my son I would be sueing too, at the least.  I'm really wonderig what this kid did that the school was frowning upon.

This isn't something you would expect as a parent when signing the user agreement.  Would you sign it knowing that any pervo IT guy could flipon you childs cam at any time?

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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2010, 02:10:01 AM »
How would all of y'all supporting the school district for this feel if your employer was doing this with your work laptop?

I don't take a chance, my camera inputs are covered with tape.

Remind me to tell you a story of exactly why.  It involves a coworker on a video conference who thought it was just an audio conference...
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« Reply #63 on: February 20, 2010, 02:11:55 AM »
Another interesting bit.  the kids and parents complained to the school district that the light next to the webcams "came on randomly"  The district called it a "software glitch"

I smell a rat.
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« Reply #64 on: February 20, 2010, 02:49:29 AM »
And no one has asked the main question that LEAPS out at me.

Was the kids laptop reported as stolen or missing?

If it wasn't,  WHY was the remote webcam activated?

There is not one shred of anything that even indicates a hint that the school district even may have suspected that it was stolen or missing, and there doesn't appear to be any report submitted to the IT man asking him to turn on the camera.

Sounds to me like those are going to be some rich people in that school district, and the shool administrators should end up in prison.

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« Reply #65 on: February 20, 2010, 03:16:58 AM »
So the problem seems to be that the students/parents were too dumb to understand what they were agreeing to, and that the school didn't anticipate the need to dumb-down their agreement enough to head off this sort of mess.

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« Reply #66 on: February 20, 2010, 07:37:25 AM »
i wonder if junior "failed to fully inform " his parents of some aspect or activity he was involved in that triggered the decision to go candid camera.  and specifically what behavior was observed
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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #67 on: February 20, 2010, 07:52:09 AM »
i wonder if junior "failed to fully inform " his parents of some aspect or activity he was involved in that triggered the decision to go candid camera.  and specifically what behavior was observed

I'm waiting to know why this matters.
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Re: Big Brother spying? Who'da thunk it!
« Reply #68 on: February 20, 2010, 07:52:35 AM »
PS:  I had no idea, until this thread, that you could remotely activate a webcam. I assumed that was hollywood BS after seeing it on NCIS.
If I had an employer, and they gave me a laptop, it wouldn't even occur to me that they would activate the webcam to see what I was doing at home.  
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« Reply #69 on: February 20, 2010, 08:42:33 AM »
PS:  I had no idea, until this thread, that you could remotely activate a webcam. I assumed that was hollywood BS after seeing it on NCIS.

Therein lies the key: a normal, reasonable person (mark your calendars, folks, this is the one time that JJ actually resembles a normal, reasonable person) would not know that they had that capability, and would certainly not expect a school administrator to use it as a video bug in a student's home.


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« Reply #70 on: February 20, 2010, 08:53:40 AM »
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Young said parents and students were not explicitly told about this built-in security feature.

To receive the laptop, the family had to sign an "acceptable-use" agreement. To take the laptop home, the family also would have to buy insurance for the computer.

In an "acceptable-use" agreement, the families are made aware of the school's ability to "monitor" the hardware, he said, but it stops short of explicitly explaining the security feature. He termed that a mistake.

Thank you for admitting felony wiretap. 

These folks are guilty as sin, but at least have the good grace to admit so.  I'll see if I can get the AG interested in a couple of felony counts served on a silver platter.  Doubt it, but you never know.



To the folks arguing over the schools "rights" or whatnot to wiretap:   The only the law matters in this case.  It's a well written, moral law.  It was written to protect folks' rights under the state and federal Constitutions.  And under it, the school has admitted to multiple felonies.

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Update on Spycams in students homes
« Reply #71 on: February 20, 2010, 12:00:54 PM »
In defense of Jamis, I had no idea anyone could legitimately access my computer remotely.  I know that SOB's plant bugs and viruses, but to LEGALLY be able to do it? ???


Official: FBI probing Pa. school webcam spy case

PHILADELPHIA -- A Pennsylvania school district accused of secretly switching on laptop computer webcams inside students' homes is under investigation by federal authorities, a law enforcement official with knowledge of the case told The Associated Press.

The FBI will look into whether any federal wiretap or computer-intrusion laws were violated by Lower Merion School District officials, the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to discuss the investigation, told the AP on Friday.

Days after a student filed suit over the practice, Lower Merion officials acknowledged Friday that they remotely activated webcams 42 times in the past 14 months, but only to find missing student laptops. They insist they never did so to spy on students, as the student's family claimed in the federal lawsuit.

Families were not informed of the possibility the webcams might be activated in their homes without their permission in the paperwork students sign when they get the computers, district spokesman Doug Young said.

"It's clear what was in place was insufficient, and that's unacceptable," Young said.

The district has suspended the practice amid the lawsuit and the accompanying uproar from students, the community and privacy advocates. District officials hired outside counsel to review the past webcam activations and advise the district on related issues, Young said.
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Remote-activation software can be used to capture keystrokes, send commands over the Internet or turn computers into listening devices by turning on built-in microphones. People often use it for legitimate purposes - to access computers from remote locations, for example. But hackers can use it to steal passwords and spouses to track the whereabouts of partners or lovers.

The Pennsylvania case shows how even well-intentioned plans can go awry if officials fail to understand the technology and its potential consequences, privacy experts said. Compromising images from inside a student's bedroom could fall into the hands of rogue school staff or otherwise be spread across the Internet, they said.

"What about the (potential) abuse of power from higher ups, trying to find out more information about the head of the PTA?" wondered Ari Schwartz, vice president at the Center for Democracy and Technology. "If you don't think about the privacy and security consequences of using this kind of technology, you run into problems."

The FBI opened its investigation after news of the suit broke on Thursday, the law-enforcement official said. Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman may also investigate, she said Friday.

Lower Merion, an affluent district in Philadelphia's suburbs, issues Apple laptops to all 2,300 students at its two high schools. Only two employees in the technology department were authorized to activate the cameras - and only to locate missing laptops, Young said. The remote activations captured images but never recorded sound, he said.

No one had complained before Harriton High School student Blake Robbins and his parents, Michael and Holly Robbins, filed their lawsuit Tuesday, he said.

According to the suit, Harriton vice principal Lindy Matsko told Blake on Nov. 11 that the school thought he was "engaged in improper behavior in his home." She allegedly cited as evidence a photograph "embedded" in his school-issued laptop.

The suit does not say if the boy's laptop had been reported stolen, and Young said the litigation prevents him from disclosing that fact. He said the district never violated its policy of only using the remote-activation software to find missing laptops. "Infer what you want," Young said.

The suit accuses the school of turning on Blake's webcam while the computer was inside his Penn Valley home, allegedly violating wiretap laws and his right to privacy.

Blake Robbins told KYW-TV on Friday that a school official described him in his room and mistook a piece of candy for a pill.

"She described what I was doing," he said. "She said she thought I had pills and said she thought that I was selling drugs."

Robbins said he was holding a Mike and Ike candy, not pills.

Holly Robbins said a school official told her that she had a picture of Blake holding up what she thought were pills.

"It was an invasion of privacy; it was like we had a Peeping Tom in our house," Holly Robbins told WPVI-TV. "I send my son to school to learn, not to be spied on."

Neither the family nor their lawyer, Mark Haltzman, returned calls from The Associated Press for comments this week.

The remote activations helped the district locate 28 of the 42 missing computers, Young said. He could not immediately say whether the technology staff was authorized to share the images with Matsko or other officials.

Either way, the potential for abuse is nearly limitless, especially because many teens keep their computers in their bedrooms, experts said.

"This is an age where kids explore their sexuality, so there's a lot of that going on in the room," said Witold Walczak, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania, which is not involved in the Robbins case. "This is fodder for child porn.

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« Reply #72 on: February 20, 2010, 12:13:21 PM »
In defense of Jamis, I had no idea anyone could legitimately access my computer remotely.  I know that SOB's plant bugs and viruses, but to LEGALLY be able to do it? ???

No, it is not legal unless informed consent is given.  I'm banging on very door I possibly can to get the school officials charged with felony wiretap.  Considering the school has admitted its guilt, it should be an open and shut case. 

This is PA.  We do not stand for such activity and hell will freeze over before we let our government officials get away with it.
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Re: Update on Spycams in students homes
« Reply #73 on: February 20, 2010, 12:28:58 PM »
While I wish for the outcome that Revdisk and others do, I have that nagging feeling that some low level IT guy is going to be the one to get thrown under the bus and the school administrators will get off scot free...

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Re: Update on Spycams in students homes
« Reply #74 on: February 20, 2010, 12:50:04 PM »
While I wish for the outcome that Revdisk and others do, I have that nagging feeling that some low level IT guy is going to be the one to get thrown under the bus and the school administrators will get off scot free...

Thing we're going to let it go with a sacrificial victim? 

Screw that.  Those that are guilty must be held accountable.  Unfortunately, that probably includes a low level IT guy who will try to cop a Nuremberg Defense.  If the low level IT guy pushed the button, he's just as guilty as those that ordered it.  If he committed felony wiretap, he still violated the civil rights of a fellow Pennsylvanian and must be held accountable for his crimes.  Otherwise, we are no better than any other totalitarian state like Massachusetts or the PRC.
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