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Thatcher threatend to nuke Buenos Aires?
« on: February 26, 2010, 10:25:50 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/22/books.france#article_c

Margaret Thatcher forced François Mitterrand to give her the codes to disable Argentina's deadly French-made missiles during the Falklands war by threatening to launch a nuclear warhead against Buenos Aires, according to a book.

Rendez-vous - the psychoanalysis of François Mitterrand, by Ali Magoudi, who met the late French president up to twice a week in secrecy at his Paris practice from 1982 to 1984, also reveals that Mr Mitterrand believed he would get his "revenge" by building a tunnel under the Channel which would forever destroy Britain's island status.

The book, to be published on Friday, is one of several on France's first Socialist president to mark the 10th anniversary of his death on January 8 1996. Despite a now tarnished reputation, he remains a source of fascination for the French in general and the left in particular. Rendez-vous provides revealing insights into the man's mysterious character, complicated past, paranoia and power complex, but nothing as titillating as his remarks on the former British prime minister.

"Excuse me. I had a difference to settle with the Iron Lady. That Thatcher, what an impossible woman!" the president said as he arrived, more than 45 minutes late, on May 7 1982. "With her four nuclear submarines in the south Atlantic, she's threatening to unleash an atomic weapon against Argentina if I don't provide her with the secret codes that will make the missiles we sold the Argentinians deaf and blind." He reminded Mr Magoudi that on May 4 an Exocet missile had struck HMS Sheffield. "To make matters worse, it was fired from a Super-Etendard jet," he said. "All the matériel was French!"

In words that the psychoanalyst has sworn to the publisher, Meren Sell, are genuine, the president continued: "She's livid. She blames me personally for this new Trafalgar ... I was obliged to give in. She's got them now, the codes."

Mr Mitterrand - who once described Mrs Thatcher as "the eyes of Caligula and the mouth of Marilyn Monroe" - went on: "One cannot win against the insular syndrome of an unbridled Englishwoman. Provoke a nuclear war for a few islands inhabited by three sheep as hairy as they are freezing! But it's a good job I gave way. Otherwise, I assure you, the Lady's metallic finger would have hit the button."

France, he insisted, would have the last word. "I'll build a tunnel under the Channel. I'll succeed where Napoleon III failed. And do you know why she'll accept my tunnel? I'll flatter her shopkeeper's spirit. I'll tell her it won't cost the Crown a penny."


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Certainly Mitterrand made this up, right?

If not MT was certainly bluffing, right?

Otherwise nuking a major, or any city, over the Falklands would be insane.
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Re: Thatcher threatend to nuke Buenos Aires?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2010, 10:32:20 PM »
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Re: Thatcher threatend to nuke Buenos Aires?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 10:48:35 PM »
From my (limited) understanding of the period, leftists of all stripes were genuinely afraid that Reagan and/or Thatcher would nuke the Soviet Union - not as a reprisal, but as a first strike. I figure that Mitterand was in the same boat, and Thatcher knew it - so she used that fear to get the codes for free.

Or the author of the book knew that nukes spice up every story, and threw that one in to get to the bestseller lists.

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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2010, 11:04:45 PM »
One has to wonder if we have the same sort of electronic trap-doors built into the military equipment that we sell elsewhere.
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 12:00:35 AM »
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One has to wonder if we have the same sort of electronic trap-doors built into the military equipment that we sell elsewhere.

I wonder if it's like a code they broadcast that the weapon picks it up and shuts down. Or if they are using the word code to mean operational freqs and such that could be used to track and interfere with the weapon(not disable it).

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Re: Thatcher threatend to nuke Buenos Aires?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 02:17:35 AM »
One has to wonder if we have the same sort of electronic trap-doors built into the military equipment that we sell elsewhere.

It sure as hell went into phone switches we sold to certain folk.  Tis why I get twitchy at our own military procuring foreign weapon systems. 


If the event did occur, Mrs Thatcher was bluffing obviously.  But hey, if it worked..

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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2010, 06:03:25 AM »
I always loved Maggie Thatcher.

She had more balls that Reagan!

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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 08:31:21 AM »
I had read rumors that certain Western intelligence agencies were behind a gas pipeline explosion in the former Soviet Union a few years ago.  They used a trapdoor built into the computer code that controlled the valve stations along the pipeline.  Interesting, if true.  

PS edited to add:  I'll be darned.  There is even a Wikipedia article about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage
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Re: Thatcher threatend to nuke Buenos Aires?
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2010, 09:16:05 AM »
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Mr Mitterrand believed he would get his "revenge" by building a tunnel under the Channel which would forever destroy Britain's island status.
Destroy our Island status - perhaps. It's not like either side of the bridge is incapable of destroying their end, ruining it should they choose, so Napoleon III himself would not have been able to make much use of it, strategically.

As for Maggie, whatever can be said about her domestic policies (which I am too young to have experienced for the most part), I am convinced that she was one of the better PMs when it comes to wartime/conflicts.
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2010, 10:08:58 AM »
Thatcher's approach succeeded.....I miss the leaders of the past who knew how to fight a war....win without strings attached....
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Re: Thatcher threatend to nuke Buenos Aires?
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2010, 11:30:12 AM »
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Destroy our Island status - perhaps. It's not like either side of the bridge is incapable of destroying their end, ruining it should they choose, so Napoleon III himself would not have been able to make much use of it, strategically.

Yeah, I don't think trying to drive an army through there (either direction) would be a very smart move.  ;/

Unless perhaps one side or the other did air attacks and paratroop assault to secure the opposite end first  ;)
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2010, 08:07:03 PM »
Not necessarily.  If they could sneak troops through the tunnel, they might be able to hold that end.  The question is if they could get reinforcements lined up and pushed through the tunnel to exploit it. 

Even then, how far underground is the tunnel?  Could explosives be used underwater to collapse it?
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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2010, 08:09:24 PM »
Regarding the anti-ship missiles, I thought Argentina only had a few of them and they were pretty effective.  I heard that the British Navy never actually saw any of the planes that launched them until they were already heading away. 

Were there other missiles they were worried about?
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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2010, 08:18:10 PM »
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Re: Thatcher threatend to nuke Buenos Aires?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2010, 08:32:43 PM »
I always loved Maggie Thatcher.

She had more balls that Reagan Bush!

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2010, 09:10:08 PM »
I always loved Maggie Thatcher.

She had more balls that Reagan!

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I miss Thatcher.

And I read that whole article as being in praise of her. Then I noticed Micro griping about the Guardian, went back and looked at the URL. LOL... They were trying to rip on her, I just thought it was all praise.
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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2010, 09:12:48 PM »
I miss Thatcher.

And I read that whole article as being in praise of her. Then I noticed Micro griping about the Guardian, went back and looked at the URL. LOL... They were trying to rip on her, I just thought it was all praise.

Generally, if the lefties are pissed at someone, I consider it high compliment. 



And the best we can do for females in power is Pelosi or Palin.... 

 Can you Imagine all of Sarah Palin's good qualities coupled with some of Thatcher's resolve and steel? Win..